WE NEED TO BE BORN AGAIN.

[theefaith]

There is only one covenant with the initiation is baptism to put on Christ receive the Grace Holy Spirit to put on Christ and be born again!

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

1 Corinthians 1:2
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,



Ephesians 4:5 
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,


why? Eph 4:5 should say faith alone hearing God not baptism

(Born of God) faith and baptism

Jn 1:12-13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1 Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Born of God by baptism

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Peter 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: see Ez 36

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, (baptism rom 6:3-4)


1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Matt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

 

[theefaith]

Testimony of the fathers


A) "It does not suffice to believe. He who believes and is not yet baptized, but is only a Catechumen, has not yet fully acquired salvation." St. Thomas Aquinas

B) "Now, even the Catechumen believes in the Cross of the Lord Jesus, but unless he be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, he cannot receive remission of his sins nor the gift of spiritual grace." St. Ambrose

C) "Without the Sacrament of Baptism, no one is ever justified. If anyone says that Baptism is optional, that is, not necessary for salvation: let him be anathema." Council of Trent

D)
“There are three ways in which sins are forgiven: in baptism, in prayer, and in the greater humility of penance; yet God does not forgive sins except to the baptized” (Sermons to Catechumens on the Creed 7:15 [A.D. 395]).
St. AUGUSTINE

E) “As many as are persuaded and believe that what we [Christians] teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly . . . are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, ‘Except you be born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:3]” (First Apology 61 [A.D. 151]).
JUSTIN MARTYR

TERTULLIAN
“Happy is our sacrament of water, in that, by washing away the sins of our early blindness, we are set free and admitted into eternal life. . . . [But] a viper of the [Gnostic] Cainite heresy, lately conversant in this quarter, has carried away a great number with her most venomous doctrine, making it her first aim to destroy baptism—which is quite in accordance with nature, for vipers and.asps . . . themselves generally do live in arid and waterless places. But we, little fishes after the example of our [Great] Fish, Jesus Christ, are born in water, nor have we safety in any other way than by permanently abiding in water. So that most monstrous creature, who had no right to teach even sound doctrine, knew full well how to kill the little fishes—by taking them away from the water!” (Baptism 1 [A.D. 203]).

“Without baptism, salvation is attainable by none” (ibid., 12).

ORIGEN
“It is not possible to receive forgiveness of sins without baptism” (Exhortation to the Martyrs 30 [A.D. 235]).

CYRIL OF JERUSALEM
“If any man does not receive baptism, he does not have salvation.

St. AUGUSTINE
“There are three ways in which sins are forgiven: in baptism, in prayer, and in the greater humility of penance; yet God does not forgive sins except to the baptized” (Sermons to Catechumens on the Creed 7:15 [A.D. 395]).

POPE LEO I
“And because of the transgression of the first man, the whole stock of the human race was tainted; no one can be set free from the state of the old Adam save through Christ’s sacrament of baptism, in which there are no distinctions between the reborn, as the apostle [Paul] says, ‘For as many of you as were baptized in Christ did put on Christ; there is neither Jew nor Greek . . . ‘ [Gal. 3:27–28]” (Letters 15:10[11] [A.D. 445]).

FULGENTIUS OF RUSPE
“From that time at which our Savior said, ‘If anyone is not reborn of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:5], no one can, without the sacrament of baptism, except those who, in the Catholic Church, without baptism, pour out their blood for Christ, receive the kingdom of heaven and life eternal” (The Rule of Faith 43 [A.D. 524]).

Irenaeus
He [Jesus] came to save all through himself – all, I say, who through him are reborn in God; INFANTS, and children, and youths, and old men. Therefore he passed through every age, becoming an INFANT for INFANTS, sanctifying INFANTS; a child for children, sanctifying those who are of that age . . . [so that] he might be the perfect teacher in all things, perfect not only in respect to the setting forth of truth, perfect also in respect to relative age (Against Heresies 2:22:4 [A.D. 189]).

Hippolytus
Baptize first the children, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them (The Apostolic Tradition 21:16 [A.D.215]).

Origen
THE CHURCH RECEIVED FROM THE APOSTLES the tradition of giving baptism even to infants. The APOSTLES, to whom were committed the secrets of divine sacraments, knew there is in everyone innate strains of [original] sin, which must be washed away through water and the Spirit (Commentaries on Romans 5:9 [A.D. 248]).

Cyprian
As to what pertains to the case of INFANTS: You [Fidus] said that they ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after their birth, that the old law of circumcision must be taken into consideration, and that you did not think that one should be baptized and sanctified within the eighth day after his birth. In our council it seemed to us far otherwise. No one agreed to the course which you thought should be taken. Rather, we all judge that the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born" (Letters 64:2 [A.D. 253]).

Augustine
It is this one Spirit who makes it possible for an infant to be regenerated . . . when that INFANT is brought to baptism; and it is through this one Spirit that the infant so presented is reborn. For it is not written, "Unless a man be born again by the will of his parents" or "by the faith of those presenting him or ministering to him," but, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit." The water, therefore, manifesting exteriorly the sacrament of grace, and the Spirit effecting interiorly the benefit of grace, both regenerate in one Christ that man who was generated in Adam (Letters 98:2 [A.D. 408]).

 

[Karl Peters]

There is only one covenant with the initiation is baptism to put on Christ receive the Grace Holy Spirit to put on Christ and be born again!

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

1 Corinthians 1:2
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,



Ephesians 4:5 
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,


why? Eph 4:5 should say faith alone hearing God not baptism

(Born of God) faith and baptism

Jn 1:12-13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1 Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Born of God by baptism

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Peter 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: see Ez 36

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, (baptism rom 6:3-4)


1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Matt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Lots of verse but no connection to what you proclaim!!

You wrote: There is only one covenant with the initiation is baptism to put on Christ receive the Grace Holy Spirit to put on Christ and be born again!

Then a verse "

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Can you not read the verse? There are several parts to it!! There is the 'why tattiest' (I really like current English but ok we know what "tarriest" meant) it meant why wait. Then there is the part about " arise and be baptized". So why wait to be baptized? People should go and get baptized. That does not mean they know the Lord or not. There is an assumption made by you which is not explained! Then there is the "AND" so something separate, different, another thing to do!! That is to "wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord". That is really what we are trying to get at. The baptism discussed here in this verse is an attempt to get people to turn to the Lord - it's a symoblic thing which is to encourage people to seek the Lord. The Lord throught Isaiah did it like this:

Is 1:10 Hear the word of the LORD,
You rulers of Sodom;
Give ear to the instruction of our God,
You people of Gomorrah

Is 1:16 “Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;
Remove the evil of your deeds from My sight.
Cease to do evil,

Is 1:17 Learn to do good;
Seek justice,
Reprove the ruthless,
Defend the orphan,
Plead for the widow.

Is 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the LORD,
“Though your sins are as scarlet,
They will be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They will be like wool.

What the Lord was doing in Acts is exactly the same as what the Lord was doing with Isaiah. He was trying to get the people to clean up their 'Acts' so to speak. It is not about getting baptized in water!!!! It is about learning to do good!!! And how do we learn to do good? We go and reason with the Lord, because only God is good!!

Yet you have made it about baptism instead of knowing the Lord. You have missed the whole point - which is getting people to turn to the Lord and listen to Him so they will know good from evil. And why did you miss this? Is it not because you are tarrying and not going to the Lord and reasoning with Him?

Religious people make is about their religion!! Those who know the Lord point people to Him so they might seek and find Him. So, "calling on the name of the Lord" in that verse you quoted but failed to understand was the important part of the verse and it actually means calling on Him for understanding, and explainations, and teachings, and instructions. It means hearing the Lord by faith! Those born again hear the sound of the wind, the religious person doesn't. So they make it about running beads through their hands, or saying some set prayer without intended to listen to the Lord, or they might even make it about reading their Bible thinking that is hearing from Him, or for some it might mean getting baptized as if that is what saves them. None of that is bad and some is good and should be done, but beads don't save you, nor does reading your bible save you, nor does getting baptized save you - know Jesus Christ personally is what saves you. His sheep hear His voice, and they are the ones who have been "Born Again" not the Pharisees and religious teachers.

 

[theefaith]

Lots of verse but no connection to what you proclaim!!

You wrote: There is only one covenant with the initiation is baptism to put on Christ receive the Grace Holy Spirit to put on Christ and be born again!

Then a verse "

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Can you not read the verse? There are several parts to it!! There is the 'why tattiest' (I really like current English but ok we know what "tarriest" meant) it meant why wait. Then there is the part about " arise and be baptized". So why wait to be baptized? People should go and get baptized. That does not mean they know the Lord or not. There is an assumption made by you which is not explained! Then there is the "AND" so something separate, different, another thing to do!! That is to "wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord". That is really what we are trying to get at. The baptism discussed here in this verse is an attempt to get people to turn to the Lord - it's a symoblic thing which is to encourage people to seek the Lord. The Lord throught Isaiah did it like this:

Is 1:10 Hear the word of the LORD,
You rulers of Sodom;
Give ear to the instruction of our God,
You people of Gomorrah

Is 1:16 “Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;
Remove the evil of your deeds from My sight.
Cease to do evil,

Is 1:17 Learn to do good;
Seek justice,
Reprove the ruthless,
Defend the orphan,
Plead for the widow.

Is 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the LORD,
“Though your sins are as scarlet,
They will be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They will be like wool.

What the Lord was doing in Acts is exactly the same as what the Lord was doing with Isaiah. He was trying to get the people to clean up their 'Acts' so to speak. It is not about getting baptized in water!!!! It is about learning to do good!!! And how do we learn to do good? We go and reason with the Lord, because only God is good!!

Yet you have made it about baptism instead of knowing the Lord. You have missed the whole point - which is getting people to turn to the Lord and listen to Him so they will know good from evil. And why did you miss this? Is it not because you are tarrying and not going to the Lord and reasoning with Him?

Religious people make is about their religion!! Those who know the Lord point people to Him so they might seek and find Him. So, "calling on the name of the Lord" in that verse you quoted but failed to understand was the important part of the verse and it actually means calling on Him for understanding, and explainations, and teachings, and instructions. It means hearing the Lord by faith! Those born again hear the sound of the wind, the religious person doesn't. So they make it about running beads through their hands, or saying some set prayer without intended to listen to the Lord, or they might even make it about reading their Bible thinking that is hearing from Him, or for some it might mean getting baptized as if that is what saves them. None of that is bad and some is good and should be done, but beads don't save you, nor does reading your bible save you, nor does getting baptized save you - know Jesus Christ personally is what saves you. His sheep hear His voice, and they are the ones who have been "Born Again" not the Pharisees and religious teachers.

then baptism is meaningless!

how did the eunuch know about baptism? Acts 8 Philip an apostle obviously preached FACAGA right?

 

[theefaith]

Christian suffering!

Patience Implies suffering!

In order to bear fruit we must deny ourself, suffer, and die!

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Matthew 24:42
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Verses of Christian suffering:

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Romans 5:4
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

2 Tim 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

1 Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:


Rev 2: 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

Rev 2:23 .....I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

 

[TEXBOW]

Through faith (belief) the Holy Spirit was promoted and put in charge and my flesh was demoted. It's a battle and obedience to the word gives us strength to keep the flesh in check. It is all about a personal relationship, no corporate membership. You know when you have it, the Spirit will convict your soul, repentance and a thirst for growth.

 

[theefaith]

Through faith (belief) the Holy Spirit was promoted and put in charge and my flesh was demoted. It's a battle and obedience to the word gives us strength to keep the flesh in check. It is all about a personal relationship, no corporate membership. You know when you have it, the Spirit will convict your soul, repentance and a thirst for growth.

Explain

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

And gal 3

 

[Karl Peters]

then baptism is meaningless!

how did the eunuch know about baptism? Acts 8 Philip an apostle obviously preached FACAGA right?

Where is understanding????

Enoch walked with God and was taken by God.

Noah listened to the Lord and did what the Lord asked; building the ark by the instructions given to him and was saved from the coming disaster.

Abram listened to the Lord and went to another land, by faith which enabled him do believe in the One who talked to him.

Moses went up on the mountain and listened to the Lord. He continued to listen and do what was asked, leading a people out of Eqypt by following the instructions given him by His Lord. Yet the people said 'Let not God speak to us', so rules came down from God for those people unwilling to listen to the Lord.

The prophets of Old listened to the Lord bringing messages to those people unwilling to listen to the One who even they considered God, and the messages were about turning back to listen to the Lord, but they did not.

The Lord of lord and King of king, the very Son of God whom was on the throne, came down out of heaven to try and get people to listen, but they too refused and hung Him on a cross, this One whose name is called "The Word of God".

Do those people who refuse to listen not need to be cleaned up? Do they not need to be immersed in the Spirit of God so that they come to listen to the Lord?

Absolutely they do!! They need to be cleaned up!! They need to be immersed in the Holy Spirit so they listen and listen carefully and often to their Lord Jesus Christ who sends His Holy Spirit to bring His words to them!! Yet they still don't listen!!

If they don't listen then the water they dip themselves in is of not good to them!! They remain dirty and unclean things!!!

Still the Lord, He is has patience! He stands at the door knocking with His voice hoping anyone might hear from Him and let Him in to their lives! You don't need to be baptized! It doesn't read that in anyone baptized hears His voice and opens the door He will come into them, but just anyone!!

Just anyone is to His message is to. Just anyone who is willing to actually listen to Him and open up to Him!

Just anyone!! Anyone!!

But a religious people, looking to be justified by their own works instead of by just walking with the Lord like Enoch, come to religious conclusion and the water of baptism will not save them anymore than circumcision was able to save a people trying to get to heaven via the Law handed down by Moses! They have made baptism the new Law of God as opposed to realizing that it was given as a sign that we need to walk and talk with the Lord to get cleaned up.

Paul wrote:

Gal 1: 6,7 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

and

Gal 3:1 You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

The only thing I want to find out from you is did you receive the Spirit by some work require by a rule from God or by hearing with faith???

You have made baptism a rule that must be follow, as opposed to hearing with faith!! You have become exactly like those people pf which Nicodemus was a part of. You must be "Born Again" and that means hearing the sound of the wind - that is hearing by faith!!

And BYW - get baptized but that so you'll remember that you need to be cleaned up by being immersed in the Holy Spirit who brings us the words of the Lord to our spirit, so we don't make this type of mistake anymore! It is about walking and talking with the Living Word of God, Jesus Christ!!

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

The religious person makes it about so many other things that just about knowing the Lord!

Ok - I am going for a walk. He is much easier to deal with than those in this forum - but He asked I do that also.

 

[theefaith]

Where is understanding????

Enoch walked with God and was taken by God.

Noah listened to the Lord and did what the Lord asked; building the ark by the instructions given to him and was saved from the coming disaster.

Abram listened to the Lord and went to another land, by faith which enabled him do believe in the One who talked to him.

Moses went up on the mountain and listened to the Lord. He continued to listen and do what was asked, leading a people out of Eqypt by following the instructions given him by His Lord. Yet the people said 'Let not God speak to us', so rules came down from God for those people unwilling to listen to the Lord.

The prophets of Old listened to the Lord bringing messages to those people unwilling to listen to the One who even they considered God, and the messages were about turning back to listen to the Lord, but they did not.

The Lord of lord and King of king, the very Son of God whom was on the throne, came down out of heaven to try and get people to listen, but they too refused and hung Him on a cross, this One whose name is called "The Word of God".

Do those people who refuse to listen not need to be cleaned up? Do they not need to be immersed in the Spirit of God so that they come to listen to the Lord?

Absolutely they do!! They need to be cleaned up!! They need to be immersed in the Holy Spirit so they listen and listen carefully and often to their Lord Jesus Christ who sends His Holy Spirit to bring His words to them!! Yet they still don't listen!!

If they don't listen then the water they dip themselves in is of not good to them!! They remain dirty and unclean things!!!

Still the Lord, He is has patience! He stands at the door knocking with His voice hoping anyone might hear from Him and let Him in to their lives! You don't need to be baptized! It doesn't read that in anyone baptized hears His voice and opens the door He will come into them, but just anyone!!

Just anyone is to His message is to. Just anyone who is willing to actually listen to Him and open up to Him!

Just anyone!! Anyone!!

But a religious people, looking to be justified by their own works instead of by just walking with the Lord like Enoch, come to religious conclusion and the water of baptism will not save them anymore than circumcision was able to save a people trying to get to heaven via the Law handed down by Moses! They have made baptism the new Law of God as opposed to realizing that it was given as a sign that we need to walk and talk with the Lord to get cleaned up.

Paul wrote:

Gal 1: 6,7 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

and

Gal 3:1 You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

The only thing I want to find out from you is did you receive the Spirit by some work require by a rule from God or by hearing with faith???

You have made baptism a rule that must be follow, as opposed to hearing with faith!! You have become exactly like those people pf which Nicodemus was a part of. You must be "Born Again" and that means hearing the sound of the wind - that is hearing by faith!!

And BYW - get baptized but that so you'll remember that you need to be cleaned up by being immersed in the Holy Spirit who brings us the words of the Lord to our spirit, so we don't make this type of mistake anymore! It is about walking and talking with the Living Word of God, Jesus Christ!!

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

The religious person makes it about so many other things that just about knowing the Lord!

Ok - I am going for a walk. He is much easier to deal with than those in this forum - but He asked I do that also.

Spiritual anarchy opposes the Holy Spirit

in baptism we receive the father and the son and Holy Spirit

gal 3:27 put on Christ

Born of God) faith and baptism

Jn 1:12-13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1 Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Born of God by baptism

 

[Karl Peters]

Spiritual anarchy opposes the Holy Spirit

in baptism we receive the father and the son and Holy Spirit

People oppose the Holy Spirit - not some vague concept like 'anarchy'! If we are blaming our opposition to listening to the Lord via His Holy Spirit then we are not receiving what the Lord has for us. - ?That has nothing to do with baptism and everything with us not wanting to hear from Him!!

Is 30:9 For this is a rebellious people, false sons, Sons who refuse to listen, To the instruction of the LORD;

If anyone has even taken a little bit of time and actually sought the Lord and the words of instructions and such that He has to personally say to them, they would have things that He personally told them. Thus, they would start to understand that He was always with them all along, but they just did not want to listen to Him.

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

Yet some people, saying in their heart that they know, quote verse after verse after verse, not even realizing that those verses were design to get them to actually seek the Lord and His words to them personally. Still - they will not listen to Him!!

Jn 5:39 “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

It is not the baptism - it is the coming to Him, listening to Him, getting to know Him - It is hearing Him via His Holy Spirit speaking His words to your spirit. If a person was truly baptized/immersed in His Holy Spirit who speaks His words to us, they would know that it is not "anarchy" that opposes the Holy Spirit, it is us!! We need to realize that about ourselves so we can start solving that problem and get ourselves to actually seek His words to us!!

Then with the instructions He has for you, the teachings He has for you, the encouragement His has for you, you will also hear Him calling your name personally with the phrase 'I love you' so that if you were me you would hear, "Karl, I love you" Then you would truly understand. You would start to understand that it was never about religion but always about the loving relations that He wants to personally have with you. The baptism of the Holy Spirit means nothing less that hearing from Him, because the Holy Spirit is sent with His words to speak to your spirit, and if you understand that then you would be hearing from Him every day called today.

Jn 16:13 “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.

That is what the Holy Spirit does - He speaks!! He specifically speaks to you personally - the words your Lord has for you personally!!

Those born again - hear the sound of the wind (Holy Spirit) You then testify about Him speaking to you - if you are truly born again. You don't go around thinking that it was baptism that saved you - your belief in the Lord Jesus Christ - meaning that His words for you that we preach are found near you (in your heart and on your mouth sometimes) - and not in the Bible. That was His words spoken to others, to write down, in order that you might actually seek His word for you personally - like "Karl, I love you" - which are not in the Bible but are heard in your spirit, thus found in your heart.

Silly - silly - religious people. Always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth - Jesus Christ is the Truth!

2 Tim 3:7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

You should hear from Him everyday, so you should have soo many things that He has told you - which you can pass on to others - things like:

WE DON’T HAVE UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE WE DON’T READ THE BIBLE WITH UNDERSTANDING, BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING…. UNDERSTAND???

THE SCRIPTURES ARE RIGHT, BUT THEY ARE NOT RIGHTEOUS. THEY HAVE NO ABILITY TO ACT. THEY ARE NOT ALIVE, BUT THE WORD OF GOD IS ALIVE AND ACTIVE.


WE DON’T USE THE LORD TO PREACH THE SCRIPTURES; WE USE THE SCRIPTURES TO PREACH THE LORD!!

It is so sad - those people trying to preach the things of the Lord instead of the Lord. So someone picks up the Bible over their head and says "I am going to preach the Word" instead of using the Bible to actually tell other about the Lord Jesus Christ. And it is so sad that people wanting to preach Baptism, instead of using baptism to preach getting close to Jesus Christ by listening to His words to them via the Holy Spirit.

Like Nicodemus - they become teachers of the Law (rules of God) - but they don't enter into a close personal relationship with the Lord! It is all about religion, traditions, and the teachings of other men instead of really getting to know the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ps 81:15 “Those who hate the LORD would pretend obedience to Him, And their time of punishment would be forever.

Therefore go and get baptized, but don't ever mistake being submerged in water to mean you actually are into Him! If you are into Him personally, you will be hearing from Him and understand what I am saying!

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Therefore go and get baptized

There is NO water baptism, only Confusion, Today, Under God's PURE GRACE!:
"Divider" Poll 13 Bible baptisms

 

[Karl Peters]

There is NO water baptism, only Confusion, Today, Under God's PURE GRACE!:
"Divider" Poll 13 Bible baptisms

Wow - Talk about taking things out of context!!

Baptism is a symbolic act. It is a sign you want to be more dedicated to Jesus Christ - that you want to be submerged in His Holy Spirit - that you want to be cleaned up by Him.

As for His "PURE GRACE" - God has His grace for us but it comes when we look to Him!! Those who actually believe in our Lord Jesus Christ do look to Him - which is why was call Him our Lord. We actually don't just call Him "Lord" we confess Him to be our Lord - and that because He gives us instructions!!

Yet there have always been those pretending obedience to Him! They might even call Him Lord, but it is not a confession that they get instructons from Him. It is just a pretense of obedience!! In a case like that they think they are going to be saved by the "Pure Grace" of God even thought they never actually look to Him. They certainly don't want to be dedicated to Him, cleaned up by Him, or to be submerged in His Holy Spirit. They don't even want to listen to Him! These are false sons!

Is 30:12 For thus the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel, has said,
“In repentance and rest you will be saved,
In quietness and trust is your strength.”
But you were not willing,

When we realize we do things wrong (which is not depending on His mercy or grace) we turn to Him and repent. Of course, we can only do that if we believe in Him, so we must have faith. Still, we do realize we do things wrong if we ever listen to Him, because He reproves those He loves (Rev 3:19). The Holy Spirit brings conviction of our sins to us, so we repent and turn to Him, or at least we should. It kind of depends on how much pride, stubbornness, and rebellion we have in our heart. Yet if we do turn to Him and repent, because we do believe He is there, He then gives us His mercy and grace. He is more than willing, and even wants, to forgive and forget your sins (His mercy) and help you improve your life even by including you in His Kingdom (His grace).

Yet as for the person saying they don't need to repent, seek Him, become devoted to the King, and be cleaned up Him, because of His "Pure Grace" - they are just deceiving themselves - and the Truth is not in them. Again, Jesus Christ is the Truth and He reproves those He loves.

Rev 3:19 ‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.

The water baptism is not needed, but it is a sign of us becoming zealous for Him and repenting. Which is the context for writing "Therefore go and get baptized".

People amaze me. They tell me they follow the Lord yet one says that if you are not baptized you are not saved, whereas another says that we are saved by His Pure Grace. How is it they don't know the Christ Himself is our saviour. So if you want His grace that gets you into heaven (the Kingdom of God) you need to get to know the Him the King. That happens because you seek Him and listen to Him. The baptism is a sign that you are wanting to get to know Him and follow Him more, so you get baptized, but you don't have to. You do have to get to know Him which takes faith that He is there. So, if you are depending on His "Pure Grace" instead of seeking Him you should know you don't get His grace without Him!!

Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Gen 19:19 Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight
Gen 33:8 ...These are to find grace in the sight of my lord.
Gen 33:10 And Jacob said, Nay, I pray thee, if now I have found grace in thy sight,
Gen 33:15 let me find grace in the sight of my lord.

If we go to the Lord and seek Him, then we find grace in His sight, but if you don't seek the Lord and find Him you will not find His grace!! Water baptism is a sign that you are seeking the Lord, but it is just symbolic. You don't have to get baptized to seek Him. It is just a symbolic act, a statement made in public that you are seeking the Lord. Some will just pretend obedience though, and so getting baptized does not mean you are saved. Others will say they are saved by His grace, which is somewhat true. You didn't do anything worthy of your salvation so you must find His grace (unmerited favor). That is found in His sight, so you need to seek Him and treat Him as your Lord, meaning listening to His instructions! Now being born again - which is what this thread was about - means you hear the sound of the wind!! Which is to say you seek the Lord who sends His Holy Spirit (the wind) and you listen to /hear the sound of the wind. Religion is not going to save you - you must be born again!!

Still - there are those into religion instead of our Lord Jesus Christ!! One religious person thinks that the rule (law) of getting baptized will save them, and another thinks the "Pure Grace" of God will save them - yet Jesus means 'God's Salvation' so it is getting to know Him by believing that He is there to get to know which saves you!! He stands at the door knocking with His voice, but do we believe in Him, that He is there? Don't put your faith in baptism, and don't put your faith in Him giving you His "Pure Grace" - instead put your faith Jesus Christi who is just standing there trying to get you to listen to Him!!

 

[theefaith]

People oppose the Holy Spirit - not some vague concept like 'anarchy'! If we are blaming our opposition to listening to the Lord via His Holy Spirit then we are not receiving what the Lord has for us. - ?That has nothing to do with baptism and everything with us not wanting to hear from Him!!

Is 30:9 For this is a rebellious people, false sons, Sons who refuse to listen, To the instruction of the LORD;

If anyone has even taken a little bit of time and actually sought the Lord and the words of instructions and such that He has to personally say to them, they would have things that He personally told them. Thus, they would start to understand that He was always with them all along, but they just did not want to listen to Him.

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

Yet some people, saying in their heart that they know, quote verse after verse after verse, not even realizing that those verses were design to get them to actually seek the Lord and His words to them personally. Still - they will not listen to Him!!

Jn 5:39 “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

It is not the baptism - it is the coming to Him, listening to Him, getting to know Him - It is hearing Him via His Holy Spirit speaking His words to your spirit. If a person was truly baptized/immersed in His Holy Spirit who speaks His words to us, they would know that it is not "anarchy" that opposes the Holy Spirit, it is us!! We need to realize that about ourselves so we can start solving that problem and get ourselves to actually seek His words to us!!

Then with the instructions He has for you, the teachings He has for you, the encouragement His has for you, you will also hear Him calling your name personally with the phrase 'I love you' so that if you were me you would hear, "Karl, I love you" Then you would truly understand. You would start to understand that it was never about religion but always about the loving relations that He wants to personally have with you. The baptism of the Holy Spirit means nothing less that hearing from Him, because the Holy Spirit is sent with His words to speak to your spirit, and if you understand that then you would be hearing from Him every day called today.

Jn 16:13 “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.

That is what the Holy Spirit does - He speaks!! He specifically speaks to you personally - the words your Lord has for you personally!!

Those born again - hear the sound of the wind (Holy Spirit) You then testify about Him speaking to you - if you are truly born again. You don't go around thinking that it was baptism that saved you - your belief in the Lord Jesus Christ - meaning that His words for you that we preach are found near you (in your heart and on your mouth sometimes) - and not in the Bible. That was His words spoken to others, to write down, in order that you might actually seek His word for you personally - like "Karl, I love you" - which are not in the Bible but are heard in your spirit, thus found in your heart.

Silly - silly - religious people. Always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth - Jesus Christ is the Truth!

2 Tim 3:7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

You should hear from Him everyday, so you should have soo many things that He has told you - which you can pass on to others - things like:

WE DON’T HAVE UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE WE DON’T READ THE BIBLE WITH UNDERSTANDING, BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING…. UNDERSTAND???

THE SCRIPTURES ARE RIGHT, BUT THEY ARE NOT RIGHTEOUS. THEY HAVE NO ABILITY TO ACT. THEY ARE NOT ALIVE, BUT THE WORD OF GOD IS ALIVE AND ACTIVE.


WE DON’T USE THE LORD TO PREACH THE SCRIPTURES; WE USE THE SCRIPTURES TO PREACH THE LORD!!

It is so sad - those people trying to preach the things of the Lord instead of the Lord. So someone picks up the Bible over their head and says "I am going to preach the Word" instead of using the Bible to actually tell other about the Lord Jesus Christ. And it is so sad that people wanting to preach Baptism, instead of using baptism to preach getting close to Jesus Christ by listening to His words to them via the Holy Spirit.

Like Nicodemus - they become teachers of the Law (rules of God) - but they don't enter into a close personal relationship with the Lord! It is all about religion, traditions, and the teachings of other men instead of really getting to know the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ps 81:15 “Those who hate the LORD would pretend obedience to Him, And their time of punishment would be forever.

Therefore go and get baptized, but don't ever mistake being submerged in water to mean you actually are into Him! If you are into Him personally, you will be hearing from Him and understand what I am saying!

how unscriptural!

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38


Christian ritual of baptism:
Immersion, sprinkling, pour pure water over the forehead three time with the words, I baptize thee in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the Holy Spirit! Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 Matt 28:19 Acts 2:38-39 Acts 8:36-38 Acts 22:16
1 Pet 3:21

Proper intention: to make a new creature in Christ, to put on Christ, initiation into the new covenant of grace
Matter: pure water
Form: the words

Born again! Born from above!


'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)


Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by baptism!


Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:31 Jn 15:1-5)

Rejection of the one true church or its teaching is rejection of Christ and God!

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 8:12 & Matt 5:14

Dan 2:44 Isa 2:2 Micah 4:1 fulfilled in matt 5:14

matt 16:18-19 shall not prevail
Lk 10:16 hears the apostles
Matt 18:17 hear the truth from the church
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles
1 Tim 3:15 the church is the pillar and ground of truth.

Faith ascents & never protests or rebels!
Spiritual Pride protests & is always in rebellion

 

[Karl Peters]

People oppose the Holy Spirit - not some vague concept like 'anarchy'! If we are blaming our opposition to listening to the Lord via His Holy Spirit then we are not receiving what the Lord has for us. - ?That has nothing to do with baptism and everything with us not wanting to hear from Him!!

Is 30:9 For this is a rebellious people, false sons, Sons who refuse to listen, To the instruction of the LORD;

If anyone has even taken a little bit of time and actually sought the Lord and the words of instructions and such that He has to personally say to them, they would have things that He personally told them. Thus, they would start to understand that He was always with them all along, but they just did not want to listen to Him.

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

Here are two quotes - the above from me and the below is a response:

how unscriptural!

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Now you will notice that both have scriptures but one claims the other to be "unscriptural!"

Which of course makes no sense. The Lord always makes sense, so why the non-sense or 'no sense'?

The problem comes from us not listening to the Lord. That has been and is man's problem. We say in our heart "Let not God speak to us"

Ex 20:19 Then they said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen; but let not God speak to us, or we will die.”

Of course, they had seen that Moses spoke to God and he wasn't dead. They just didn't want God to speak to them, otherwise they would have to do what He told them. They refused to listen to God. They were pretending obedience to Him. So God gave them the "Law", which was never going to give them life because they couldn't keep it. God knew that; didn't He? We also see that He spoke to them in parables, because with their ears they didn't hear Him.

Luke 8:10 And He said, “To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is in parables, so that SEEING THEY MAY NOT SEE, AND HEARING THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND.

Now John the Baptist was sent to baptize with water. That was and is today a symbolic act. It was done to symbolize that we need to repent of our ways and clean ourselves off by turning to His ways. That means turning to Him and listening to Him, but it turns out that people still don't want to listen to Him. Many prefer pretending obedience to Him. They can do that by searching the Scriptures and thinking that knowing them will give them eternal life. Those people tend to make it about religious traditions and the teachings of other men, as opposed to seeking the Lord and listening to Him. We read about those types all through the Bible.

There were those making the sacrifices for their sins over and over and over, instead of turn to the Lord and listening to Him. Some made it about observing the religious feasts of the day, thinking that was listening to the Lord. Some made it about getting circumcised as if the removal of a piece of flesh really makes a difference. Yet they did not make knowing the Lord their God their priority, so they kept saying "Let not God speak to us", in their hearts.

Is 29:1,2 Woe, O Ariel, Ariel the city where David once camped! I will bring distress to Ariel,

Is 29:13 Then the Lord said, “Because this people draw near with their [fn]words
And honor Me with their lip service, But they remove their hearts far from Me,
And their reverence for Me consists of tradition learned by rote, And she will be a city of lamenting and mourning;
And she will be like an Ariel to me. Add year to year, observe your feasts on schedule.

You really want to get the Lord upset with you, then go about pretending obedience to Him and lever your heart far from Him! Go to church. Get into high positions, but don't listen to Him and that will get Him upset with you, because you are not even being honest with yourself, or Him.

Jesus when He took on flesh came across many people, like the Centurion of great faith, the fishermen he got disciples from, the lady who told him that even the dogs eat from the scraps of their master. The biggest problem people were those religious fanatics like the Pharisees and Sadducees.

So it was that Nicodemus (someone who considered himself a teacher of the law) came to talk to Jesus. Jesus explained to him that he must be born again and that would mean hearing the sound of the wind (meaning the Spirit of God). Those who hear understand that the Holy Spirit speaks the words of God to us. Those words in fact belong to Jesus Christ, whose name is called the Word of God because He personally has the words of God which are for us. The Holy Spirit, is His Spirit since the Word is with God and is God. So it is that we have a direct line of communication with our Lord Jesus Christ.

Gal 3:14,15 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it.

So what I am talking about is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and there is no need to add more to it, nor do we want to to anything that sets that relationship with our Lord aside.

If anyone is thinking that getting baptized at their church saves them, they are wrong! Knowing the Lord by hearing from His Holy Spirit by faith is what saves you!! That baptism at your church or wherever was just a symbolic act to signal that you intend to listen to the Lord your God Jesus Christ via His Holy Spirit. It symbolizes that you want to get submerged (spirituall speaking) in His Spirit who brings you His words. Yet some are making a (rule of God) out of it, because they are pretending obedience to Him. It has become like the feasts, never ending sacrifices, and circumcision to them. They are still saying, "Let not God speak to us"! They need to repent of their ways so that they might turn back to Him and listen to Him to find out His ways. They are in need of the baptism of John, though they think that got that.

Luke 3:7 So he began saying to the crowds who were going out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

That is the question! Who warned you? The Holy Spirit is trying to get through to us, but He needs you to turn from leaning on your own understanding! There is a wrath to come, and just like it was coming on those religious people back then it will come on those religious people now - those who don't actually seek the Lord Jesus Christ and listen to Him via His Holy Spirit!

 

[theefaith]

Not our own understanding or private judgement but the teaching authority of the apostles

what is the source of truth for Christians?

what is the rule of faith for Christians?

what is the pillar and ground of truth?

 

[Karl Peters]

Not our own understanding or private judgement but the teaching authority of the apostles

what is the source of truth for Christians?

what is the rule of faith for Christians?

what is the pillar and ground of truth?

Jesus Christ is the Truth!

His sheep hear His voice!

And if you are thinking about the ground instead of heaven you probably are not seeking Him because God is spirit and Jesus explained that His Kingdom is not of this world/realm!

 

[theefaith]

Jesus Christ is the Truth!

His sheep hear His voice!

And if you are thinking about the ground instead of heaven you probably are not seeking Him because God is spirit and Jesus explained that His Kingdom is not of this world/realm!

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)


Jn 18:36 My kingdom is not of this world.

What does this mean?

Of divine not human origin!
Not natural but supernatural!
Not temporal but eternal!

Not of this world but in this world!
Both physical and spiritual!
Visible and invisible!

We are also not if this world but we are in this world!

You cannot seek first a kingdom that does not exist! Matt 6:33


Only a Queen can bear a King!

Christ is King of Glory!

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, (acts 2:17 last days began at Pentecost) that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, (Israel) and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Jesus Christ is king!

We must submit and obey the king of kings!

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

And In the absence of the king we must submit and obey the kings ministers!

Isa 22:21-22
Matt 16:18
Matt 18:18
Matt 28:18
Lk 10:16
Jn 13:20
Jn 20:21-23

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sorry, but that’s wrong, right off the bat.

Romans 8 is clearly conditional, saying there’s no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, but after THE SPIRIT.

And goes on to say if we walk after the flesh we will die, meaning die spiritually, as per Ephesians 2:1, being dead in sins.

Believers are also told that the blood of Christ continuing to cleanse us from sin is conditional on our continuing to walk in the light, as He is in the light, in 1 John 1:7, where the Greek shows it’s a continuing process

Shalom Aleichem

Actually I disagree

1. The second part of verse one is questionable.
2. Even if it is biblical and not an addition as some claim. It is descriptive not prescriptive.

Gods children by nature walk after the spirit. Not in order to earn not being condemned, But because they have been born again and are made into a new creature.

 

[TEXBOW]

Actually I disagree

1. The second part of verse one is questionable.
2. Even if it is biblical and not an addition as some claim. It is descriptive not prescriptive.

Gods children by nature walk after the spirit. Not in order to earn not being condemned, But because they have been born again and are made into a new creature.

James 5:19-20
19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

James is obviously talking to Brethren and telling them IF they err from the truth and someone converts them a soul will be saved. So looking backward or the opposite, if you err from the truth and are not converted your soul will die. I think this plainly points out that a saved person can backslide, fall from grace but come back to the faith and be saved.

OSAS likes to ignore this verse or try to perform scripture gymnastics to twist the plain textual reading. The scriptures provide many promises to those who remain in the faith, we cannot be snatched out and many other promises but they are predicated upon finishing the race, continued belief, not falling to false prophets (Paul warned the Church of false prophets for a reason, he never said not to worry about them) and walking in the Spirit and not of the flesh. Paul warns us of these fleshly desires that will keep us from our inheritance. Romans 1:25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. In order to exchange the truth, you must have had it to begin with. God GAVE THEM UP verse 26. Paul warns us to be steadfast in 1 Corinthians 15:58. Paul in his letter to the Church at Corinith tells THEM that he will mourn for those who have sinned and not repented. He tells them to Examine themselves.

 

[theefaith]

Actually I disagree

1. The second part of verse one is questionable.
2. Even if it is biblical and not an addition as some claim. It is descriptive not prescriptive.

Gods children by nature walk after the spirit. Not in order to earn not being condemned, But because they have been born again and are made into a new creature.

Matt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.