Was Mary sinless?

[Truther]

In this scene, Jesus's brothers who arrived with His Mother to speak with Him at Capernaum were two of His four cousins, Joseph and Simon of Alphaeus. Joseph and Simon had heard that Jesus had recently done carpentry work in Korazim for a widow whose husband had died, and they, particularly Joseph, was the most visually and vocally angry at Him for making money for her and her children, but not His own Mother, etc., and they were there to confront Him about it, but Jesus set them straight. I know some of those details not from any of the accounts of the Four Evangelists, as they are incomplete, but rather from The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God, a multi-volume book that's an expansion of the four Gospels of Christ by Jesus through His spokesperson, Maria Valtorta.

Read it and weep....


46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.

47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?


Why didn't he speak to his family?

Right, he equated his disciples with his immediate family.

And all this time you thought he was shining on his disciples.

 

[Nephesh]

Read it and weep....


46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.

47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?


Why didn't he speak to his family?

Right, he equated his disciples with his immediate family.

And all this time you thought he was shining on his disciples.

In this scene, Jesus's brothers who arrived with His Mother to speak with Him at Capernaum were two of His four cousins, Joseph and Simon of Alphaeus. Joseph and Simon had heard that Jesus had recently done carpentry work in Korazim for a widow whose husband had died, and they, particularly Joseph, was the most visually and vocally angry at Him for making money for her and her children, but not His own Mother, etc., and they were there to confront Him about it, but Jesus set them straight. I know some of those details not from any of the accounts of the Four Evangelists, as they are incomplete, but rather from The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God, an expansion of the four Gospels of Christ by Jesus through His spokesperson, Maria Valtorta.

 

[Truther]

In this scene, Jesus's brothers who arrived with His Mother to speak with Him at Capernaum were two of His four cousins, Joseph and Simon of Alphaeus. Joseph and Simon had heard that Jesus had recently done carpentry work in Korazim for a widow whose husband had died, and they, particularly Joseph, was the most visually and vocally angry at Him for making money for her and her children, but not His own Mother, etc., and they were there to confront Him about it, but Jesus set them straight. I know some of those details not from any of the accounts of the Four Evangelists, as they are incomplete, but rather from The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God, an expansion of the four Gospels of Christ by Jesus through His spokesperson, Maria Valtorta.

I see, Jesus brothers and sisters were cousins and cousinettes, per the RCC.

 

[Truther]

.... I know some of those details not from any of the accounts of the Four Evangelists, as they are incomplete, but rather from The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God, an expansion of the four Gospels of Christ by Jesus through His spokesperson, Maria Valtorta.

LOL

 

[Truther]

Who in blue blazes is Maria Valtorta???

 

[Truther]

46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, HIS COUSIN and HIS OTHER COUSINS stood without, desiring to speak with him.

47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy COUSIN and THY OTHER COUSINS stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who IS MY COUSIN? and WHO ARE MY OTHER COUSINS?

Wow..that lady got a revelation.

 

[Nephesh]

I see, Jesus brothers and sisters were cousins and cousinettes, per the RCC.

If you knew even a smidge about Koine Greek in relation to Scripture, you'd know those called Jesus's brothers are called just exactly that: "ἀδελφοί" (adelphoi), or "brothers," and it has the following definitions: "fellow-countryman," "disciple/follower," "one of the same faith," and "kinsman/kinswoman, or relative," e.g., sibling, cousin, nephew, niece, uncle, aunt, etc. Therefore, depending on the verses, some called Jesus's brothers refers to fellow countrymen, apostles/disciples, or kinsmen/relatives, etc.

The verses that you believe refer to Jesus's half-brothers, such as Matt. 13:5/Mk. 6:3, are actually His cousins, because the genealogical evidence in post #190 proves that they were the sons of His uncle. Other verses, such as Matt. 12:46-47, refer to two of those four cousins, and again, I know these details from the account of Maria Valtorta who was shown that scene and others by Jesus.

 

[Nephesh]

Who in blue blazes is Maria Valtorta???

One of Jesus's spokespeople.

 

[Truther]

If you knew even a smidge about Koine Greek in relation to Scripture, you'd know those called Jesus's brothers are called just exactly that: "ἀδελφοί" (adelphoi), or "brothers," and it has the following definitions: "fellow-countryman," "disciple/follower," "one of the same faith," and "kinsman/kinswoman, or relative," e.g., sibling, cousin, nephew, niece, uncle, aunt, etc. Therefore, depending on the verses, some called Jesus's brothers refers to fellow countrymen, apostles/disciples, or kinsmen/relatives, etc.

The verses that you believe refer to Jesus's half-brothers, such as Matt. 13:5/Mk. 6:3, are actually His cousins, because the genealogical evidence in post #190 proves that they were the sons of His uncle. Other verses, such as Matt. 12:46-47, refer to two of those four cousins, and again, I know these details from the account of Maria Valtorta who was shown that scene and others by Jesus.

I don’t redefined my Bible with Greek redefinitions. I’ll leave it to the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[Truther]

One of Jesus's spokespeople.

Yes, better watch those talking statues.

 

[Nephesh]

I don’t redefined my Bible with Greek redefinitions. I’ll leave it to the Roman Catholic Church.

The New Testament books were originally written in Koine Greek, so you should get familiar with the language.

 

[Truther]

The New Testament books were originally written in Koine Greek, so you should get familiar with the language.

It has already been translated for me into English over 400 years ago. I don’t need another person redefining what their early works were saying . But thanks anyway.

 

[Truther]

I can see it now… “Hey Truther, the Bible says this, but it also can mean this this this and this…“.

 

[Truther]

Jim Jones in his church, took his Bible and threw it like a football across the church and it landed on the floor plop then he went on to say that lightning did not strike him so it has no power. It is no different to me than these people trying to redefined the Bible, because they are denigrating what was already given to us 400 years ago.

 

[Truther]

Christian still followed him to the end just like they do today. They have no Bible they can trust. They just trust their leaders. What a disaster.

 

[Nephesh]

It has already been translated for me into English over 400 years ago.

And, the translators aren't the problem, but rather the reader. You, and others like you, often read the text in a modern way, rather than archaic. For example, you read the English word "brothers" and automatically assume it refers to biological half-siblings. You simply wouldn't do that if you cared to consider the original language of Koine Greek used. If you cared, you'd know that the Koine Greek word "ἀδελφοί" (adelphoi), or "brothers," has the following definitions: "fellow-countryman," "disciple/follower," "one of the same faith," and "kinsman/kinswoman, or relative." It's only familial definition isn't any specific type of family member, such as half-brother, but rather the broad-ranging "kinsman, or relative," which can refer to a sibling, cousin, nephew, niece, uncle, aunt, etc. Therefore, if you really wanted to prove your case, you'd provide evidence to show that the brothers (kinsmen/relatives) of Jesus in certain verses were His biological half-siblings, not just rely an an assumed meaning behind the word "ἀδελφοί" (adelphoi), or "brothers" itself. That's why in post #190 I provided genealogical evidence that proves the type of kinsmen/relatives Jesus's brothers were.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Christian still followed him to the end just like they do today. They have no Bible they can trust. They just trust their leaders. What a disaster.

Sooo, you like following man made traditions spawned 170+ years ago?
I've had enough of your comic book theology, littering the thread with unsubstantiated garbage.. Good bye.

 

[Truther]

And, the translators aren't the problem, but rather the reader. You, and others like you, often read the text in a modern way, rather than archaic. For example, you read the English word "brothers" and automatically assume it refers to biological half-siblings. You simply wouldn't do that if you cared to consider the original language of Koine Greek used. If you cared, you'd know that the Koine Greek word "ἀδελφοί" (adelphoi), or "brothers," has the following definitions: "fellow-countryman," "disciple/follower," "one of the same faith," and "kinsman/kinswoman, or relative." It's only familial definition isn't any specific type of family member, such as half-brother, but rather the broad-ranging "kinsman, or relative," which can refer to a sibling, cousin, nephew, niece, uncle, aunt, etc. Therefore, if you really wanted to prove your case, you'd provide evidence to show that the brothers (kinsmen/relatives) of Jesus in certain verses were His biological half-siblings, not just rely an an assumed meaning behind the word "ἀδελφοί" (adelphoi), or "brothers" itself. That's why in post #190 I provided genealogical evidence that proves the type of kinsmen/relatives Jesus's brothers were.

If you are relying on Greek redefinitions, then you are doubting the translators. This is a modernist approach to redefining the Bible to fit their personal beliefs.

 

[Truther]

Sooo, you like following man made traditions spawned 170+ years ago?
I've had enough of your comic book theology, littering the thread with unsubstantiated garbage.. Good bye.

Sola scriptura

 

[Nephesh]

If you are relying on Greek redefinitions, then you are doubting the translators. This is a modernist approach to redefining the Bible to fit their personal beliefs.

The translators know how to do their job. You are in error when you automatically assume and apply meanings to words that aren't a direct definition of the original Koine Greek word used and its English translation!