Was Mary sinless?

[ChurchAuthority]

2 ChurchAuthority
So much heresy here, it's difficult to know where to begin.
lets start at the beginning since you posted Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness." is this one or two, or three person. no, only one, scripture, since we are in Genesis, 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.", now how many is "he", in these verses? only one. (smile). one day we must discuss this in full detail.

Can I ask what religious tradition you come from (denomination, etc)? You have some pretty bizarre beliefs - and they certainly aren't Christian beliefs.
sure, I'm HOLY, not as some claim, HOLINESS. no I'm Holy just as the Bible say to be 1 Peter 1:16.

What I explained about the nature of God is pretty much universally believed by ALL Christians - Catholic and Protestant. Those who deny the deity of Christ and the Triune Godhead are not considered to be Christians. To answer your question - NO, Jesus is not the Holy Spirit. the Holy Spirit is a distinct person in the Godheas as are the Father and the Son.
well it might be universal to many, but not all. and our Lord is the Holy Spirit. see John 14:16, just for starters.

Finally, Jesus is referred to as BOTH the Son of God and the Sone of Man - because He is BOTH.
well let see according to scripture. who was crucified?. answer, the son of Man, if the son of God was crucified state scripture. and who rose?, answer Son Man, else produce scripture that the son of God rose. and who came from heaven?, son of Man or the son of God, I say the son of Man. if the Son of God came from Heaven state scripture.

So, you';re a Lone Ranger Christian, eh?
Well, Lone Ranger Christianity is not only NOT supported by Scripture - it is condemned (1 Cor. 12, Col. 1:18, Hebrews 10:25).

As for your blatant and repeated rejections of the deity of Jesus, here is some Scriptural evidence to prove you wrong:

[SIZE=11pt]John 1:1[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the word was God[/SIZE].

[SIZE=11pt]John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him [Jesus], “My Lord and my God!”[/SIZE]

2 Corinthians 4:4
[SIZE=11pt]...lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Philippians 2:6[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]...Who [Jesus], being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Colossians 2:9[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]...For in him [Jesus] dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]1 Timothy 3:16 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Hebrews 1:8 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Titus 2:13 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ[/SIZE]


The Son of GOD was crucified:

Heb. 6:4-6
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.


The Son of GOD rose from the dead:

Rom. 1:1-4
Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God— the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David, and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[101G]

2 ChurchAuthority
Heb. 6:4-6 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace".
LOL, LOL, LOL, so you put Jesus back on the Cross literally, LOL, LOL, LOL. sorry, I don't mean to laugh. but you missed the point by 2,000 years. sorry he been off the cross. Son of God is a title of the diversified Spirit in Flesh and blood. read your commentary on that scripture, and understand what it is talking about.

scripture, who was crucified?. answer, the son of Man
1. Matthew 26:2 "Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified".
2. Luke 24:7 "Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again".

who rose?, answer Son Man,
1. Matthew 17:9 "And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
2. Luke 24:7 "Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
3. Mark 9:31 "For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
so clearly it's the son of Man.

and who came from heaven?, son of Man or the son of God, I say the son of Man.
John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven".
do you really understand this scripture?. while on EARTH, JESUS was in HEAVEN at the SAME time. now listen closely, as he was in Heaven where was his flesh and blood body?. remember flesh and blood cannot enter, 1 Corinthians 15:50 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption". question, was the body in heaven when he was talking to Nicodemus on earth?, answer NO. but what did Jesus say John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven". I suggest you read your commentary on this verse.

Now as for Jesus as God, please don't put words in my mouth. where have you seen a post of mine that I deny the deity of Jesus?. if you find one please post it. and if you don't think that Jesus is not the Holy Spirit, answer me on John 14, first and this Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his". notice both words Spirit is Capitalized. so how many Spirit are there?, Well. I hope you don't say two, or three.

2 ChurchAuthority
Now that we have the understanding that I'm NOT a heretic. I would like to know your understanding, or doctrine of the Godhead. you profess three person in the Godhead. I have a question. the HOLY SPIRIT conceived the flesh and the blood in Mary's womb, right. so by definition is NOT the the HOLY SPIRIT is really the ONE who hold the title "Father", yes or no?.

 

[jiggyfly]

Luke 1:28 uses the word kecharitomene.

Look it up - http://www.scripture.../NTpdf/luk1.pdf



Mary is the Mother of Jesus
Jesus is God
Therefore Mary is the Mother of God

Simple logic. Even Biblically ignorant catholics can manage that.



You are not answering the points made but just ignoring them.

If ALL in Rom 3:23 means every single person without exception then:
Did Jesus sin?
Do pre-born babies sin?
Do little children sin?
Do mentally incapacitated people sin?

The correct answer is no, Paul does not mean literally ALL.

In 1Cor 15:22 Paul uses the same Greek word for all (pantes)

"For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive."

We know that many will reject Christ and be condemned to hell. So Paul cannot mean that literally ALL are made alive in Christ.

Why can't Paul mean that literally All are made alive in Christ?

 

[Alanforchrist]

It's your personal and very fallible interpretation of what the Bible says.

What has that to do with anything ChurchAuthority said?

Are you just attempting a diversion?




Mary is the Mother of Jesus
Jesus is God
Therefore Mary is the Mother of God

Simple logic. Even Biblically ignorant catholics can manage that.




You are not answering the points made but just ignoring them.

If ALL in Rom 3:23 means every single person without exception then:
Did Jesus sin?
Do pre-born babies sin?
Do little children sin?
Do mentally incapacitated people sin?

The correct answer is no, Paul does not mean literally ALL.

In 1Cor 15:22 Paul uses the same Greek word for all (pantes)

"For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive."

We know that many will reject Christ and be condemned to hell. So Paul cannot mean that literally ALL are made alive in Christ.



Luke 1:28 uses the word kecharitomene.

Look it up - http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/luk1.pdf

All you have proved in your post is, You are ignornant of the Bible and the Greek.

The Greek For "ALL", In Rom 3: 23, Is "Pas", And it does mean EVERYONE, So Stop telling lies And stop twisting the truth

If you read 1 Cor 15: 22, Through the Holy Spirit instead of through first imaginations, You will see that Paul said,
"ALL in Christ", Shall be made alive, Not everyone, Those outside Christ are condemned to hell, But no one in Christ is condemned, Rom 8: 1.

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

Uhhh, Mary, the mother of GOD.

I thought she was Mary the mother of Jesus, not God. As God has always existed and therefore cannot be created.

NB: it's gnostic to believe that your body is sin or sinful, of itself. Rather sin dwells within the body(sarx) which also encompasses the thoughts, passions and desires of the lower nature and expresses itself through the medium, ourselves.

Remember, it's 'the SOUL that SINS shall surely die', not the body that sins shall surely die. Even though Sin has affected it as well- see above.

So, SIn as a principle/power dwells within the soul and expresses itself through it's medium the flesh (sarx) which encompasses all that has been said above.

 

[Alanforchrist]

It's your personal and very fallible interpretation of what the Bible says.

What has that to do with anything ChurchAuthority said?

Are you just attempting a diversion?




Mary is the Mother of Jesus
Jesus is God
Therefore Mary is the Mother of God

Simple logic. Even Biblically ignorant catholics can manage that.




You are not answering the points made but just ignoring them.

If ALL in Rom 3:23 means every single person without exception then:
Did Jesus sin?
Do pre-born babies sin?
Do little children sin?
Do mentally incapacitated people sin?

The correct answer is no, Paul does not mean literally ALL.

In 1Cor 15:22 Paul uses the same Greek word for all (pantes)

"For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive."

We know that many will reject Christ and be condemned to hell. So Paul cannot mean that literally ALL are made alive in Christ.



Luke 1:28 uses the word kecharitomene.

Look it up - http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/luk1.pdf

I don't know where you got your eroneous Greek from, But it certainly isn't the Bible's original Greek text.
The original Greek for, "Highly favoured", Is, "Charitoo", And it means Mary had to find favour with God because she was a sinner.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

So, SIn as a principle/power dwells within the soul and expresses itself through it's medium the flesh (sarx) which encompasses all that has been said above.

This is a good distinction to make (as opposed to spirit). There would be no reason for the word of GOD to separate between soul and spirit if the soul was pure.

For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12

 

[Angelina]

If Mary were sinless, she would not have called God her savior...

Luke 1
46 And Mary said: “My soul magnifies the Lord, 47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
48 For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant; For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed.
49 For He who is mighty has done great things for me, And holy is His name.
50 And His mercy is on those who fear Him From generation to generation.
51 He has shown strength with His arm; He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
52 He has put down the mighty from their thrones, And exalted the lowly.
53 He has filled the hungry with good things, And the rich He has sent away empty.54 He has helped His servant Israel,
In remembrance of His mercy, 55 As He spoke to our fathers, To Abraham and to his seed forever.”

 

[Mungo]

If Mary were sinless, she would not have called God her savior...

That's been explained several times in this thread already.

I don't know where you got your eroneous Greek from, But it certainly isn't the Bible's original Greek text.
The original Greek for, "Highly favoured", Is, "Charitoo", And it means Mary had to find favour with God because she was a sinner.

I gave you the link.

All you have proved in your post is, You are ignornant of the Bible and the Greek.

The Greek For "ALL", In Rom 3: 23, Is "Pas", And it does mean EVERYONE, So Stop telling lies And stop twisting the truth

If you read 1 Cor 15: 22, Through the Holy Spirit instead of through first imaginations, You will see that Paul said,
"ALL in Christ", Shall be made alive, Not everyone, Those outside Christ are condemned to hell, But no one in Christ is condemned, Rom 8: 1.

ChruchAuthoroity gave a long list to show you are wrong. I suggest you read it.

I thought she was Mary the mother of Jesus, not God. As God has always existed and therefore cannot be created.

NB: it's gnostic to believe that your body is sin or sinful, of itself. Rather sin dwells within the body(sarx) which also encompasses the thoughts, passions and desires of the lower nature and expresses itself through the medium, ourselves.

Remember, it's 'the SOUL that SINS shall surely die', not the body that sins shall surely die. Even though Sin has affected it as well- see above.

So, SIn as a principle/power dwells within the soul and expresses itself through it's medium the flesh (sarx) which encompasses all that has been said above.

Mary is the mother of Jesus
Jesus is God
Therefore Mary is the mother of God

This does not mean Mary is older than God, or that she is the source of her Son’s divinity. She is the Mother of God in that she carried in her womb, and gave birth to, a divine person – Jesus Christ, God “in the flesh”

Why can't Paul mean that literally All are made alive in Christ?

You think that those who deny him and are destined for hell are alive in Christ?

Personally I think there is no point in continuing this thread.

Some people are just recycling the same objections that have already been refuted. They don't seem to be able to reply tho the refutations or haven't bothered to read them

AlamforChrist is in denial about the use of ALL and kecharitomene.

101G is on a planet of his own as far as doctrine is concerned.

So unless someone has a new point to make I'll leave this.

 

[Angelina]

and what was the answer? was Mary not talking about herself? :huh:

 

[jiggyfly]

You think that those who deny him and are destined for hell are alive in Christ?

No but I believe in the scriptures that state everything is put under His feet and every knee will bow and proclaim allegiance to God, it's called the restitution of all things.
I gather then you don't believe all means everyone in the first part where Paul states that all died in Adam. Wonder why Paul didn't use the Greek word tis meaning some, if indeed he didn't mean all?

 

[101G]

Greeting to all in the name of the Lord Jesus the Christ.

I have read many post this morning, all good. buy not "EVERY" one, -_- if you will.


Uhhh, Mary, the mother of GOD.
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I thought she was Mary the mother of Jesus, not God.

this is a big ERROR, Jesus is the Holy Spirit/ God, and Mary is the mother of the Christ, or the messiah, the diversified spirit. who inherited the name of the Spirit, JESUS. for Christ is the title and the work of the HOLY SPIRIT in Flesh, bone and blood. meaning, he is the natural life of the HOLY SPIRIT/God in Flesh, bone, and blood.

Remember, it's 'the SOUL that SINS shall surely die', not the body that sins shall surely die. Even though Sin has affected it as well- see above.

true, the soul sins. and the body is the mechanism to which the sin is revealed, meaning the ACT, or the DEED. sin is spiritual, (unseen, the thought). iniquity is carnal, (the unseen,act, or the deed, revealed, or manifested in the flesh). other words, the body manifest the sins of the soul.
Why can't Paul mean that literally All are made alive in Christ?

he dose, because all don't mean every

all died in Adam. Wonder why Paul didn't use the Greek word tis meaning some, if indeed he didn't mean all?

this is a true statement, all, not every died in Adam. only those which had his fallen or corrupt nature
from this statement here, I would like to put something out on the table that might cleare up some of the confusion about the all in Adam. and by doing so, clear up some other matters as well. as in where Cain got his wife?.
here it is. what if I would say that not all of the children of Adam and Eve died. case in point, was Cain and Able the first Children of the first couple. did the man Adam and the woman Eve had children before they sinned?. what would be the implication, if they did?.

be blessed.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

No but I believe in the scriptures that state everything is put under His feet and every knee will bow and proclaim allegiance to God,

The bible nowhere says that all will proclaim allegiance to GOD. You're reading that into the text. In the past, when an army or nation was conquered, the commanders or rulers of the conquered would be brought before the conquering king and made to prostrate themselves before him. Many times they were then killed.

It will be the same with Christ.

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me. Luke 19:27

 

[101G]

1 Corinthians 15:25 "For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him".


here's a good classic example of the word "all" here in the verse above it said "all", right. but what was the exception. "it is manifest that he is excepted"


now from verse 27 "all" things hath been put under his feet right. "all". well lets see, Hebrews 2:8 "Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him". what is not yet?, 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death".

 

[Alanforchrist]

That's been explained several times in this thread already.



I gave you the link.




ChruchAuthoroity gave a long list to show you are wrong. I suggest you read it.



Mary is the mother of Jesus
Jesus is God
Therefore Mary is the mother of God

This does not mean Mary is older than God, or that she is the source of her Son’s divinity. She is the Mother of God in that she carried in her womb, and gave birth to, a divine person – Jesus Christ, God “in the flesh”




You think that those who deny him and are destined for hell are alive in Christ?


Personally I think there is no point in continuing this thread.

Some people are just recycling the same objections that have already been refuted. They don't seem to be able to reply tho the refutations or haven't bothered to read them

AlamforChrist is in denial about the use of ALL and kecharitomene.

101G is on a planet of his own as far as doctrine is concerned.

So unless someone has a new point to make I'll leave this.

ChruchAuthoroity DID NOT give a long list to show you are wrong.
What churchauthority gave me, was his/her eroneous wrong thoughts..GET IT RIGHT.
The catholics have to twist the scriptures and the Greek text, otherwise they know they don't have a doctrine.

A perfect example of how catholics twist the scriptures and Greek, Is, Rom 3: 23, says, "ALL have sinned".
And the Greek word is, "Charitoo", Yet the catholics twst the scriptures by saying Mary never sinned.
Then they twist the Greek by saying . "ALL" , is "Ketcharitomene". and they say it doesn't mean everyone...NAUGHTY.

 

[101G]

greeting
if, 101G is on a planet of his own as far as doctrine is concerned.
well 101G ask, is God, the one whom you call Father. conceive that child in the womb of mary, or the HOLY SPIRIT, which one, I'll be waiting for anyone answer.


no takers?,
well if the Holy Spirit is the Father by definition, then the title belongs to the Holy Spirit who is GOD, "THE FATHER". now, question, who holds your title Father now, since it it the HOLY SPIRIT who holds it.?.

you have made one person into three, when it is really only one person in the Godhead.

 

[Mungo]

No but I believe in the scriptures that state everything is put under His feet and every knee will bow and proclaim allegiance to God, it's called the restitution of all things.
I gather then you don't believe all means everyone in the first part where Paul states that all died in Adam. Wonder why Paul didn't use the Greek word tis meaning some, if indeed he didn't mean all?

You agree then that not ALL are made alive in Christ.

ChruchAuthoroity DID NOT give a long list to show you are wrong.
What churchauthority gave me, was his/her eroneous wrong thoughts..GET IT RIGHT.
The catholics have to twist the scriptures and the Greek text, otherwise they know they don't have a doctrine.

A perfect example of how catholics twist the scriptures and Greek, Is, Rom 3: 23, says, "ALL have sinned".
And the Greek word is, "Charitoo", Yet the catholics twst the scriptures by saying Mary never sinned.
Then they twist the Greek by saying . "ALL" , is "Ketcharitomene". and they say it doesn't mean everyone...NAUGHTY.

You are confused. No-one "ALL" , is "Ketcharitomene"

I've given you the link to the Greek NT which shows that the Greek is "Ketcharitomene" and that is NOT a Catholic site.

 

[jiggyfly]

You agree then that not ALL are made alive in Christ.

No, I believe the same "all" that died in Adam are made alive in Christ, just as Paul declared.
But this is probably getting off topic.

 

[101G]

there are two line to Adam. Genesis 3:20 "And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living". here the male gave the female a personal name.(because we never knew the male personal name), and personal names means something. in this case this name Eve means a lot. the name means mother of all living. now here's the revelations of the name. the key word is, "was", she was the mother of all living. number 1, you don't call a woman mother unless she had a child or children, second, "was", is a past tense designation. meaning it have already happen. why is this important, because of the next key word. "Living", she was the mother of all living, why?, because she is dead now, (dead Spiritually to God), and now every child she have from now is Spiritually dead to God. they will inherit the corrupt nature now. conclusion, the very name, "EVE", tells you that she had children.


Spiritual death is not the final death, for all sin is not unto death. the second death is the end. (for the wages of sin is Death). natural death is a separation from this life in this world, or domain. Spiritual death is a change in one's thoughts, it have nothing to do with the carnal world, except its result. why do one think that things break down in the natural?. that's why the apostle said renew your mind. a fallen state is an un-Godly state. hence the words the angels left their first estate. this is not a physical place, (like heaven). no its a state of mind. so when the phrase fallen state, old English, "ESTATE". which is not used anymore. means a change of thoughts. its either God way, or your way. so where did Adam fall from?, off a tree, no. a change in thought patterns. for the eye or soul of Eve "desired" to be wise. she fell because of ungodly thoughts. and the result was aging, meaning NATURAL DEATH. and on the Spiritual side, a son is not a son physically, (flesh and blood), speaking Spiritually. but a Son of God is one who manifest a certain character, or characteristics that is the same as God. "For my thoughts are not your thoughts". to be sinful is a deception. NO. if so we all would have been dead spiritually as well as carnally. that's the reason why God cursed the ground instead of Adam. Hebrews 2:1 "Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. 2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; 3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him".

 

[ChurchAuthority]

Why can't Paul mean that literally All are made alive in Christ?

He CAN - he just doesn't here.

2 ChurchAuthority
Heb. 6:4-6 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace".
LOL, LOL, LOL, so you put Jesus back on the Cross literally, LOL, LOL, LOL. sorry, I don't mean to laugh. but you missed the point by 2,000 years. sorry he been off the cross. Son of God is a title of the diversified Spirit in Flesh and blood. read your commentary on that scripture, and understand what it is talking about.

scripture, who was crucified?. answer, the son of Man
1. Matthew 26:2 "Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified".
2. Luke 24:7 "Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again".
who rose?, answer Son Man,
1. Matthew 17:9 "And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
2. Luke 24:7 "Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
3. Mark 9:31 "For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
so clearly it's the son of Man.

and who came from heaven?, son of Man or the son of God, I say the son of Man.
John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven".
do you really understand this scripture?. while on EARTH, JESUS was in HEAVEN at the SAME time. now listen closely, as he was in Heaven where was his flesh and blood body?. remember flesh and blood cannot enter, 1 Corinthians 15:50 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption". question, was the body in heaven when he was talking to Nicodemus on earth?, answer NO. but what did Jesus say John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven". I suggest you read your commentary on this verse.

Now as for Jesus as God, please don't put words in my mouth. where have you seen a post of mine that I deny the deity of Jesus?. if you find one please post it. and if you don't think that Jesus is not the Holy Spirit, answer me on John 14, first and this Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his". notice both words Spirit is Capitalized. so how many Spirit are there?, Well. I hope you don't say two, or three.
2 ChurchAuthority
Now that we have the understanding that I'm NOT a heretic. I would like to know your understanding, or doctrine of the Godhead. you profess three person in the Godhead. I have a question. the HOLY SPIRIT conceived the flesh and the blood in Mary's womb, right. so by definition is NOT the the HOLY SPIRIT is really the ONE who hold the title "Father", yes or no?.

Mary was overshadowed b the HOLY SPIRIT - the THIRD Person of the Trinity and became pregnant.
Your heresy stems from the fact that you deny the Trinity - the FIRST and most BASIC tenet of Christianity.

As for Jesus being referred to as Son of God and Son of Man - h's BOTH. You really need to get over it already if you want to continue to label yourself as a Christian.
Jesus, the Son of God and the Son of Man was crucified, died, was buried, rose from the dead, ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of the Father in Heaven.

As for all of your "LOL-ing", who is putting Jesus back on the cross??
Where on earth do you get that from?