23 "administrations"? Really?What is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God. What does God mean when He tells us that the visions shown to Isaiah was concerning Judah and Jerusalem? It was not addressed to us or written concerning us, but it was addressed to and concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It would be dishonest for the Church of God to interpret to the Church of God what God said concerns Israel.
The present administration of God is in the time period of the New Testament known as Grace. It deals with the new covenant, and it belongs to the time that is called the administration of the mystery. It's a period in time that was not made known to any one prior to this administration because God kept it a secret since the world began. From this our Grace administration, we learn God’s secret purpose that He had placed in Himself, according to the administration of Grace, which was first revealed to the apostle Paul.
There are no more Jews. We are now within the time period of Christians. Here maybe this will help...
We must understand these administrations have different time periods in the Bible and each have their own beginning and their own ending—with the exception of the last one.
The first is called the Paradise administration. It was the time of innocence, the time before the fall that ends with Adam and Eve being expelled from the garden of the original paradise.
The second is the Patriarchal administration. It was the time after the fall from the Garden of Eden, but before the Law was given. This second administration ended with the coming of the Law to Moses.
The third is the Legal administration. It's suited only to Israel under the Law, and is sometimes called the Mosaic Law that terminated when Jesus Christ died.
The fourth is the Christ administration that overlapped and functioned within the Law administration. Both the Law and the Christ administration officially ended with the coming of Pentecost.
The fifth started on the day of Pentecost as recorded in the second chapter of the book of Acts. This is the present administration of Grace that is for the Church of God. It's the time period you and I now belong to because it's the Grace administration, without any distinction made between the Jew and the Gentile, which will end with the appearing of Jesus Christ.
The sixth begins with the appearing of Jesus Christ, and the gathering together of the saints. Believe it or not, this administration ends with Satan destroyed, and the great white throne judgment.
The seventh is the Glory or Paradise administration, which will not have an ending.
Administrations must be adapted to the time periods in which they are carried out. The administration with Adam before the fall was different from the one with his immediate family after the fall. The administration with Israel “under the law” was carried out on different principles from the present administration of Grace. This present administration is different from the one that will characterize the return of Christ. The administration of Judgment will be different from the one that will belong to the administration of Glory, when all things shall be gathered together in one under the headship of Christ.
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Some scholars come up with a total of 9. I only care about the 5th and not to much about stuff in the Old Covenant that does not apply to me. These different administrations are suited to different times because God has spoken everything to its proper time and administration. We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we read into one administration what God tells us belongs to another administration. If we believe what God said in one administration and carry it into another administration that was on a different principle, we will be taking what is true for one time, and using it to contradict what is also true for another time. When we mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God, we will be very confused in our understanding of the truth of God’s Word.
What is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God. What does God mean when He tells us that the visions shown to Isaiah was concerning Judah and Jerusalem? It was not addressed to us or written concerning us, but it was addressed to and concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It would be dishonest for the Church of God to interpret to the Church of God what God said concerns Israel.
David in NJ
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@Peterlag says: "One through six was spoken to Israel because Christians were not yet there."
Peter, your statement is the false teaching of religious scholars and is antichrist.
"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God."
The first 'christians' were those who believed the WORD that spoke to them beginning in Genesis.
Abraham was a faithful christian for Abraham believed the WORD of God.
"father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
amigo de christo
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Wanna hear something very simple my friend .
This peter who lags
Cannot see something so clear , so simple .
HE says the words JESUS spoke did not apply to christains cause etc etc etc .
I got a newsflash , THEM APOSTELS WERE CHRISTAINS . WHO did they listen to , CHRIST .
THEM words applied to them , and TO ALL who would then follow their steps .
Abraham indeed was a christain . ABRAHAM rejoiced to SEE MY DAY . HE SAW IT and HIMS WAS ONE HAPPY MAN .
Abraham HAD FAITH and HE HAD IT IN GOD and IN HIS CHRIST .
THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE are the meat of ALL CHRISTAINS , whether jewish or gentile .
THEM WORDS are our meat. NOW as for the tainted meat of men , WE WONT BE HEEDING IT .
These folks love to omit , twist anything JESUS said , IF what he SAID gets in the way of their own lustful hearts desire .
BUT A LAMB , now a lamb of GOD of CHRIST has one love above all upon its heart . GOD , CHRIST and HIS WORDS .
THAT BE OUR MEAL . the world and wordly can keep every ounce of their doctrine twisting stuff .
The lambs gonna feast from one plate . THE PLATE OF THE WORDS OF THE LORD . PEROID .
amigo de christo
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This peter who does lag has embraced the twisted doctrines of men .
DO notice how he tries so hard to explain to me his views
AND what is at the core of his message . A MEANS TO SIMPLY OMIT SOME STUFF JESUS SAID .
But he cannot see it at all .
SEE what most folks want is an IDEA about JESUS they can beleive in and yet still offers them
a way around ANY OF THE TRUTH that gets in the way of what THEY TRULY DESIRED .
And what they truly desired WAS NOT THE TRUE JESUS CHRIST
but rather an image of HIM . As for lambs , OUR DESIRE IS THE KING JESUS CHRIST
and the BIBLE GONNA BE OUR MEAT . they can keep that other junk , I WANT nothing to do with anything
that would dare to omit even ONE GLORIOUS WORD OF GOD and OF CHRIST . GOT NO TASTE for that dung .
Now excuse me while i go praise GOD . HE is the one who put this pure LOVE into my heart
as HE Does in all hearts of all true lambs .
amigo de christo
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Sadly most trust in men and thier twisted doctrine . AND GOD knows who they are too .
Lambs FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST and sup from every word HE ever spoke .
Those who follow men , however , whose trust is in men and NOT GOD , NOT CHRIST
they sup rather from men who try and omit some things JESUS said or taught . LET THAT SINK IN .
amigo de christo
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And now a friendly reminder . That wicked burning man abomination GOTTA GO .
Let them set that nasty thing up in my backyard and by the AM it would be BURNT to the GROUND .
Paganism gotta go . JESUS gotta be preached and all sound biblical doctrine learned and heeded .
Let them set that nasty thing up in my backyard and by the AM it would be BURNT to the GROUND .
Paganism gotta go . JESUS gotta be preached and all sound biblical doctrine learned and heeded .
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David in NJ
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We disagree. I believe Christianity started on the day of Pentecost in Acts chapter 2.
Nah, it started when Jesus shed His precious Blood for us to wash away our sins.
Matthew 26
28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
David in NJ
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Of course we disagree!
Myself and others in the Body of Christ believe "every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God"
Please spend time reading and praying Gospel of John into your life followed by Acts, Ephesians and Galatians.
BarneyFife
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Funny; Paul seemed to have a different idea about that:
2Ti 3:15-17
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Act 26:22
Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
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BarneyFife
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I won't, either!
But I will warn them of the danger of using Colossians 2 as a loophole to justify a 10% discount on the Ten Commandments, especially since the Hebrew in Leviticus 23:37&38 clearly distinguishes between the festival sabbaths and the LORD's Sabbath of the fourth commandment. So much so, in fact, that some classic, scholarly Bible commentaries even point it out.
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Anyone who is under the Law is under ALL of the Law. Can't pick just the parts we like.
Matthew 22
37 Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'
40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
BarneyFife
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Like, for example, the 9 other commandments besides the fourth?
Are you "under the law" when you refrain from murder, theft, adultery, or idolatry, etc?
Which commandment do you suppose is violated by same-sex marriage? Would you like to see us out from "under" that one?
Where there is no law there is no sin.
Did you know there are more direct commands in the New Testament than in the Old?
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And they are in the NT, but no Sabbath commands.
Nope, just the NT.
Paul covered that quite well.
I know I'm not under the Law.
Galatians 3
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
BarneyFife
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So you traded 10 commandments for 1,050 that contain 9 of the 10 you traded in.
And now you're "under" that.
The 3rd commandment is not given in the NT, by the way.
I wonder why Paul would quote the law (Deuteronomy 27:26) to justify the nullification of the ten commandments in Galatians 3:10.
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