Warning about vaccines from doctors and scientists

[Peterlag]

God's Age of Grace is dependant upon man's
opportunity and ability to repent (metanoeo) towards God.
I personally believe the only event that will cause God the Father to end His Age of Grace, will be the implementation of the "mark of the beast" in all the world.

It is the only discerning factor that will determine whether people will trust that evil satanic system, or trust in Jesus/God for their provisions in life, both physical and spiritual.

In either case, once the personal decision is made for one to take "the mark", and does so, the opportunity for God's free gift of salvation will be forfeited in that moment.
It truly will be the separation of the sheep from the goats.

I know that this is believed by just about all Christians and you folks might be right. But I'm from the school who believes that the events you describe may happen on the earth after the return of Christ.

 

[Earburner]

I know that this is believed by just about all Christians and you folks might be right. But I'm from the school who believes that the events you describe may happen on the earth after the return of Christ.

I could be wrong, but I am thinking that your perspective of the Lord's Glorious return is along the lines of the Pre-millennial view, of which describes the return of Jesus, who establishes the literal kingdom of God on the earth for a literal 1000 years, then the end comes.

 

[amigo de christo]

I could be wrong, but I am thinking that your perspective of the Lord's Glorious return is along the lines of the Pre-millennial view, of which describes the return of Jesus, who establishes the literal kingdom of God on the earth for a literal 1000 years, then the end comes.

How many people here agree with this huge abraham accord movment , IS MY CONCERN . Cause its a lie birthed
from the dragon to cause all to gather under a lie . NEVER FOLLOW NOR BELIEVE IT . NEVER . Stick to JESUS
and the gospel alone .

 

[amigo de christo]

Business men , world leaders , religous leaders all gathered under the abraham accord .
And the world marvels . THEY admit they have FOUND the SOLUTION FOR WORLD PEACE
ITS ALL A LIE . And its a lie the churches and the world have long been groomed to accept .
I just bet our popular preachers will be sounding the GUN for this lie too .

 

[Peterlag]

I could be wrong, but I am thinking that your perspective of the Lord's Glorious return is along the lines of the Pre-millennial view, of which describes the return of Jesus, who establishes the literal kingdom of God on the earth for a literal 1000 years, then the end comes.

Yeah... but I only know what I have been taught having never looked into it myself. I have found over the years that my teachers were not always correct.

 

[Earburner]

Yeah... but I only know what I have been taught having never looked into it myself. I have found over the years that my teachers were not always correct.

Thank you for your honesty.
In your post, I am picking up on two words, "taught" and "teachers".
To that, I would have you to understand what Jesus is saying in the following.
John 16
[13] Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Paul says this:
1 Cor. 2:5-16
[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

[16] For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind [Spirit] of Christ.

 

[Peterlag]

Thank you for your honesty.
In your post, I am picking up on two words, "taught" and "teachers".
To that, I would have you to understand what Jesus is saying in the following.
John 16
[13] Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Paul says this:
1 Cor. 2:5-16
[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

[16] For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind [Spirit] of Christ.

You post very good Scripture that I know well. My problem with those very good verses is that 10 thousand Christians from 10 thousand different religions will give you 10 thousand different meanings for the same verse and all of them will say they believe it to be true because of their spirit. So I think that's why Prophets and Apostles wrote the stuff down. What I have come across with the group of Christians on this site who many come from different groups that they have their own translation that is different from mine. So this is a problem. I put a post on the site a few weeks ago where in one group there's a bunch of Bibles that say one thing and a whole bunch of Bibles that write it in another way.

 

[Brakelite]

You post very good Scripture that I know well. My problem with those very good verses is that 10 thousand Christians from 10 thousand different religions will give you 10 thousand different meanings for the same verse and all of them will say they believe it to be true because of their spirit. So I think that's why Prophets and Apostles wrote the stuff down. What I have come across with the group of Christians on this site who many come from different groups that they have their own translation that is different from mine. So this is a problem. I put a post on the site a few weeks ago where in one group there's a bunch of Bibles that say one thing and a whole bunch of Bibles that write it in another way.

The fact that there are numerous different teachings on the same topic does not change the scriptures that promise the holy Spirit to those who search diligently and honestly. It does mean that many don't listen. It doesn't mean you need to be one of those not listening.

 

[Peterlag]

The fact that there are numerous different teachings on the same topic does not change the scriptures that promise the holy Spirit to those who search diligently and honestly. It does mean that many don't listen. It doesn't mean you need to be one of those not listening.

I believe I have went further in that regard than most people on the planet. Just last Friday I put up a website that's just one page long on how to walk by the spirit. You can look at it here if you would enjoy doing so... www.carb-fat.com/spirit.html

 

[Earburner]

I believe I have went further in that regard than most people on the planet. Just last Friday I put up a website that's just one page long on how to walk by the spirit. You can look at it here if you would enjoy doing so... www.carb-fat.com/spirit.html

I reviewed your website page. I find it to be thorough and to the point, as to how and why we must walk in the Spirit of Jesus and the Father, of Whom is within Him.

I agree, that by their presence within all Born Again Christians, all of such truly are new creatures/a new creation by the Gift of their presence of their Holy Spirit within us.
In all that you said, Paul condenses it in this way:
Gal. 2
[20] I am crucified [made dead] with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Phil. 3:7-16
[10] That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It was not me who said it. It was an eye doctor who looks at data from all over the world because he (Rand Paul) is a United States Senator.

Well you write it and so impl;y you endorse it.

Rand Paul I admire, but He is an ophthalmologist not a virologist or immunologist or geneticist. would you want Him doing critical heart surgery on you? He is excellent in his field, but is not an expert when it comes to viruses.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Well, if they covered up horrible things in the studies so that the vaccine could be accepted would that convince you that something is rotten in Denmark?
"
An analysis of internal documents found 44% of the pregnant women who participated in the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine trials suffered miscarriages.

The documents obtained by court order after the FDA tried to keep them hidden for 75 years showed that of the 50 pregnant women who took part, 22 lost their babies."

FDA knew huge percentage of women in Pfizer trial suffered miscarriages * WorldNetDaily * by Art Moore

An analysis of internal documents found 44% of the pregnant women who participated in the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine trials suffered miscarriages.

www.wnd.com

If true this means that these people are mass murderers. Why are you on their team?

When we saw governments percecute are arrest pastors and close and fine churches why is it that you do not see the nature of the crowd that sought to enslave us?

You are making a huge indictment based on a study of just 50 women? Were post miscarriage forensics done to discover why? Did they isolate what caused the miscarriages? What part of the vaccine was found to be responsible?

Just reporting 50 women in a study where over 1,000,000,000 doses have been administered means little overall. Tragic for the women and babies, but there is no reporting on the whats and hows and whys. that makes all the difference.

This would be like you being charged with murder because 10 people in your neighborhood all were killed.

 

[dad]

You are making a huge indictment based on a study of just 50 women? Were post miscarriage forensics done to discover why? Did they isolate what caused the miscarriages? What part of the vaccine was found to be responsible?

Did they do any of that? When a cover up is done and information supressed about a huge percentage of babies that die, does that not scream out evil toy you?? Perhaps you are only concerned when thousands of babies die is a test of experimental drugs or therapies?? If you administer a substance to fifty women and more than a third of their babies die, do you need some post death forensics done before you realize that the connection is there and NOT normal? If you do not know 'what part or parts of the shot' was responsible and it was covered up does that not tell you something??

Just reporting 50 women in a study where over 1,000,000,000 doses have been administered means little overall. Tragic for the women and babies, but there is no reporting on the whats and hows and whys. that makes all the difference.

It means plenty when covered up. It means that if you then give that deadly shot to billions you are a mass murderer.

This would be like you being charged with murder because 10 people in your neighborhood all were killed.

No. It would be like you lying about an alibi about the crimes, and having blood on your hands and clothes and buried in your back yard.

 

[Peterlag]

Well you write it and so impl;y you endorse it.

Rand Paul I admire, but He is an ophthalmologist not a virologist or immunologist or geneticist. would you want Him doing critical heart surgery on you? He is excellent in his field, but is not an expert when it comes to viruses.

Rand Paul is more of an expert on viruses than you are.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Did they do any of that? When a cover up is done and information supressed about a huge percentage of babies that die, does that not scream out evil toy you?? Perhaps you are only concerned when thousands of babies die is a test of experimental drugs or therapies?? If you administer a substance to fifty women and more than a third of their babies die, do you need some post death forensics done before you realize that the connection is there and NOT normal? If you do not know 'what part or parts of the shot' was responsible and it was covered up does that not tell you something??




It means plenty when covered up. It means that if you then give that deadly shot to billions you are a mass murderer.

No. It would be like you lying about an alibi about the crimes, and having blood on your hands and clothes and buried in your back yard.

First off, it is not a huge amount of babies that died! It is 22 out of 50 women.

Then you must think all pharmaceuticals are evil because people die from nearly every medication prescribed!

One death is tragic, but lets face it sids kills more babies than covid shots Once again, the more virulent a disease, the harsher potential side effects.

Yes there certainly, on the surface, appears to be a strong connection between the jab and these miscarriages. that means they should do further research to find out WHY! Just to say jabs are causing miscarriage from an initial study is totally irresponsible. there may be a strong connection, but there may also be 100 other factors combined with teh shot that causes a miscarriage. Don't be a boy crying wolf every time a negative result happens. A negative result means that it must be researched more and maybe not have pregnant women take the shot until the cause can be found.

Yes forensic research must be doen to establish by evidence and not just surface initial things that the shot is the prime cause of these miscarriages. I am not saying they aren't, but I am saying it needs to be looked not further as to why.

One man screaming cover up does not a cover up make. It was in the pages of docs gotten by foia, but remember in this country(America) people and industies are innocent until proven guilty. This is not Russia or China.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Rand Paul is more of an expert on viruses than you are.

Yes and better than you, but is not qualified to make definitive statements unless He is quoting a virologist, immunologist or geneticist. Using a subtle ad-hominem to avoid admitting that he isn't qualified to make such bold statements belittles you.

 

[dad]

First off, it is not a huge amount of babies that died! It is 22 out of 50 women.

Almost half is not a significant number?? Then if you give the same shot to billions of people --do the math. Then we see that they hid the results in order to sell more product basically. Then we see you trying to minimize and justify all this.

Then you must think all pharmaceuticals are evil because people die from nearly every medication prescribed!

And...? When companies have been criminally charged and have a track record of evil, how would it not be prudent to be careful and take everything they do with a million grains of salt?

One death is tragic, but lets face it sids kills more babies than covid shots Once again, the more virulent a disease, the harsher potential side effects.

There was and is a lot that is unknown. To push this on kids is overtly wicked. Is that the camp you really want to be in?

Yes there certainly, on the surface, appears to be a strong connection between the jab and these miscarriages. that means they should do further research to find out WHY!

No. It means they should have shouted the results from the mountain tops and ceased and desisted all production and promotion and distribution to women who could get pregnant for starters. Instead, they tried to infect the world as much and as fast as they can with that stuff.

Just to say jabs are causing miscarriage from an initial study is totally irresponsible.

No. When the study was covered up, and we have a huge percentage of baby deaths as a result, we should not need to say more. What is irespponsible is pushing this on pregnant (or any) women and young children for starters. Looking at the reports of sudden deaths and damages that some associate with the vaccines, I daresay it should have been given to anyone at all, and certainly not at the point of a gun (loss of employment or family etc).

there may be a strong connection, but there may also be 100 other factors combined with teh shot that causes a miscarriage.

Yet if it was in that study that was hidden that 40% (or whatever number) of the babies died, then the prime suspect should be what was administered to them. Obviously.

Don't be a boy crying wolf every time a negative result happens. A negative result means that it must be researched more and maybe not have pregnant women take the shot until the cause can be found.

No it means that a mass murder happened and the danger was covered up.

Yes forensic research must be doen to establish by evidence and not just surface initial things that the shot is the prime cause of these miscarriages.

No. The shot that was the subject of the study should be stopped immediately not hidden! Then some neutral party can do more research.

One man screaming cover up does not a cover up make. It was in the pages of docs gotten by foia, but remember in this country(America) people and industies are innocent until proven guilty. This is not Russia or China.

The issue is whether they were guilty of not releasing the documents. And that does not seem to be in any question. This is wickedness. Evil. Believers should wake up and realize that big brother is not their friend, and the merchants of death that they are paid by are not worthy of trust either.

 

[Peterlag]

Yes and better than you, but is not qualified to make definitive statements unless He is quoting a virologist, immunologist or geneticist. Using a subtle ad-hominem to avoid admitting that he isn't qualified to make such bold statements belittles you.

Robert Malone, the expert on vaccines who wrote the book is back on Twitter. Does that mean he is trust worthy now?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Almost half is not a significant number?? Then if you give the same shot to billions of people --do the math. Then we see that they hid the results in order to sell more product basically. Then we see you trying to minimize and justify all this.

And globally, how many pregnant women who got the shot had miscarriages and how many did not. A study of just 50 women for a global problem is foolish.

And...? When companies have been criminally charged and have a track record of evil, how would it not be prudent to be careful and take everything they do with a million grains of salt?

Well which ones have been criminally charged and which ones have a "track record" of evil- and specifically selling deadly poisons as medicine? Al of them do. Drugs have side effects and one needs to consult their physician to see if the benefits would outweigh the risks.

Chemo therapy is a known toxic chemical. It is administered to try to kill the cancerous cells before it kills too many good cells. Is that evil?

Yet if it was in that study that was hidden that 40% (or whatever number) of the babies died, then the prime suspect should be what was administered to them. Obviously.

It was not hidden. It was all right there in the paper work. Now if you want to discuss should they have had teh right to keep it sealed for 75 years? I would say no. Just like the Kennedy assassination is still mostly under wraps.

Yet if it was in that study that was hidden that 40% (or whatever number) of the babies died, then the prime suspect should be what was administered to them. Obviously.

Well as forensic research was not done in the study- we simply don't know of any other causes that could be. Drug companies do not do autopsies- hospitals and coroners do. Are you now implying hospitals and coroners are part of the coverup you are saying is going on?

No. The shot that was the subject of the study should be stopped immediately not hidden! Then some neutral party can do more research.

Well I would tend to agree with you that pregnant women should not be administered teh shot until further work was done to know the causes of why getting a shot also indiced miscarriages. But that means looking at many other factors that could also contribute to themiscarriages that the shot exacerbates. That is how responsible research is done.

The issue is whether they were guilty of not releasing the documents. And that does not seem to be in any question. This is wickedness. Evil. Believers should wake up and realize that big brother is not their friend, and the merchants of death that they are paid by are not worthy of trust either.

I never thought that big brother is our friend. They were guilty of not making documents open. All companies keep documents secret including pharmaceutical companies. Microsoft keeps documents secret. Doctors do, hospitals o, drug companies do, auto makes do etc.etc.. Unless you can prove a deliberate and will ful coverup to hide 22 miscarriages in light of the thousands of deaths related to getting the shot, you are over reacting.

Please show me any biblical principle that says a company keeping records secret is evil?????? They may very well be guilty, but I am not going to go all henny penny without seeing some real empirical data and evidence- This is America and not Russia. And as believers we are even more responsible for getting facts before we make sweeping condemnations.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Robert Malone, the expert on vaccines who wrote the book is back on Twitter. Does that mean he is trust worthy now?

Oh, are you talking about the man who was formally and publicly censured by the AMA for spreading false information about the vaccine and covid itself? He has been thoroughly debunked. I have read his articles and and papers on this and he provides no clinical data, no research, no clinical trials at all as to why he reaches his conclusions- that is pseudo science just like evolution.