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I do not care what anyone does, I'm asking a question about the Bible.

Which tells us those that tell others to abstain from eating meat.... are teaching doctrines of devils.

1 Timothy 4:1-5
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.





Thanks for the interaction so far--again, per the OP, I do not claim to have a firm answer.

Hast thou seen 1 Timothy 4:1-5 clueless-scratching.gif
 
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"... but I say make no vow at all... anything beyond 'yes' or 'no' is OF THE EVIL ONE" (Mt 5), and James echoes the doctrine when he says, "Make no vow at all".
How does keeping your vow conflict with taking no vows? If you don't take a vow you don't have to worry about keeping it.

Irrelevant : the point is that God's Holy Commands can, at a later time, become abominable sins.
When that law was given there were alternatives to incest for being fruitful and multiplying.

There are ordinances that are no longer to be observed. That is because Jesus Christ fulfilled the law.
 

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How does keeping your vow conflict with taking no vows? If you don't take a vow you don't have to worry about keeping it.
Please recall that I only raised that issue as an example of my argument that something can be a holy command at one point in time, and become a sin at another point in time.
When that law was given there were alternatives to incest for being fruitful and multiplying.
Please recall that I only raised that issue as an example of my argument that something can be a holy command at one point in time, and become a sin at another point in time--what ever reasoning or justification anyone wants to provide for it, it doesn't change the fact that it used to be a holy command, and it is now an abomination.
There are ordinances that are no longer to be observed. That is because Jesus Christ fulfilled the law.
Irrespectively, what we are left with is the principle observed : what was a holy command ("Keep your vows") is now "of the evil one".
 

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Which tells us those that tell others to abstain from eating meat.... are teaching doctrines of devils.

1 Timothy 4:1-5
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.







Hast thou seen 1 Timothy 4:1-5 View attachment 59708
Hast thou read the OP?
Or Proverbs 18:13?
 
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Hast thou read the OP?

Yes... the original poster is confused.



Or Proverbs 18:13?

No applicable here after having read the original post which reflects the posters confusion on the subject being spoken of.... which comes about by believing the Lord did not lead Paul to write what he wrote

What the Lord said thru Paul... is applicable to us in this time in which we live.

Has nothing to do with what comes about in the future
 

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Yes... the original poster is confused.
The OP already preempted and granted objections, some of which you raised, and invited conversation from others who've given thought to the question.
No applicable here after having read the original post which reflects the posters confusion on the subject being spoken of.... which comes about by believing the Lord did not lead Paul to write what he wrote
It does apply : you wouldn't have raised the objection that was already raised had you read.

If you really had read, what was the purpose of raising the objection, since you ought already to have known that I'd granted it?
 
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I don't have a "doctrine".

So you are tossed about by every wind of doctrine (teaching) and just believe anything?

Really, no doctrine at all... not even the Doctrine of Christ the New Testament teaches? clueless-scratching.gif



You got out over your skis, because you love talking as if you know something.

I see so your deal is you are the one in the know and everyone else should sit down and shut up, right?

And if they do say anything they had better speak in agreement with you if they know what's good for them!
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So you are tossed about by every wind of doctrine (teaching) and just believe anything?
Don't get mad at me that you made a fool of yourself.
Really, no doctrine at all... not even the Doctrine of Christ the New Testament teaches? View attachment 59789
You said what you do is debunk false doctrines. So Christ's doctrine is false?
I see so your deal is you are the one in the know and everyone else should sit down and shut up, right? And if they do say anything they had better speak in agreement with you if they know what's good for them!
That's like claiming I said there's only such a thing as rape--no legitimate form of intimacy.

To repeat the first post, I welcome thoughtful discussion, but, again, you jumped in headfirst, falsely accusing, without even knowing what you were saying. Just don't do that.

It really is a simple request, but your gigantic ego won't let you accept something very simple--you have to pretend it's difficult to understand, that you don't "get" what I'm saying, then present a twisted form of it, falsely accusing me of some wrongdoing.

You did wrong, and refuse to admit it bc you have a high view of yourself, so to protect your high view of yourself, you refuse correction of your wrongdoing, so your indulgence in the pleasure of your high view of yourself means no amount of reason can penetrate your pretense of reasoned thoughtfulness.

You can believe any delusion about yourself that you want, but I won't believe it with you.
 
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So you are tossed about by every wind of doctrine (teaching) and just believe anything?

Really, no doctrine at all... not even the Doctrine of Christ the New Testament teaches? View attachment 59789





I see so your deal is you are the one in the know and everyone else should sit down and shut up, right?

And if they do say anything they had better speak in agreement with you if they know what's good for them!
View attachment 59788
Now it makes sense why I had placed you on ignore--there's no point in even discussing anything with you.

Au revoir!
 
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I see so your deal is you are the one in the know and everyone else should sit down and shut up, right?

And if they do say anything they had better speak in agreement with you if they know what's good for them!
Is this Mr Trump speaking or some other narcissistic self absorbed projectionist?
 
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Reading the exchanges here I believe something important is missing…..the very reason why God granted permission to eat meat after the flood of Noah’s day, when that was not the original diet he mandated for all living creatures in Genesis?….

Gen 9:1-7….after the floodwaters had subsided…..
”God went on to bless Noah and his sons and to say to them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth.”
This was the same mandate given to Adam and his wife, with the exception of one important factor…the “subduing of the earth” was now missing. Why, becomes apparent on further investigation….

2  A fear of you and a terror of you will continue upon every living creature of the earth and upon every flying creature of the heavens, upon everything that moves on the ground and upon all the fish of the sea. They are now given into your hand.“

3  Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. Just as I gave you the green vegetation, I give them all to you.”

There were no animals that could not serve as food back then. So, before God allowed humans to eat the flesh of animals, there was no fear of man in them. This was instilled to give these creatures at least some protection from indiscriminate slaughter. Prior to God’s permission to eat meat, no animals had any reason to fear man…..now they did. The only reason to take their life, was for food….not sport. But we know what happened about that….and how God must feel about such wanton killing.

God’s original instructions in Eden were plainly stated….

“And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. 28  Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”

29 Then God said: “Here I have given to you every seed-bearing plant that is on the entire earth and every tree with seed-bearing fruit. Let them serve as food for you. 30  And to every wild animal of the earth and to every flying creature of the heavens and to everything moving on the earth in which there is life, I have given all green vegetation for food.” And it was so.” (Gen 1:27-30)

So what was there before the flood, that was not there after it, causing God to alter the human diet?
The apostle Peter mentions a canopy of water that surrounded the earth, also mentioned in the Genesis account as “the waters above the expanse and the water below the expanse.” (Gen 1:6-8) There was a separating of the waters above and the waters below. If this water canopy was suspended there above the earth “by the word of God” as Peter stated, (2 Pet 3:5-6) then it explains where the water came from when God flooded the earth.…but where did the water go?

We have two poles on this earth which are both magnetic. Water responds to magnetism (the moon controls the tides through its magnetic pull) so the waters were drawn up into the polar regions and snap frozen when the climate changed in such a short period of time.
It also explains why there is concern about global warming and the polar ice caps melting and again flooding the earth.

That shield of water would have prevented radiation from the sun from harming living things on the earth, creating instead a temperate warm and moist climate in which life would thrive. Removing that canopy would alter the earth’s climate dramatically and increase radiation, leading to premature aging and death through various sicknesses which occurred as mankind descended further and further from the perfection with which they were originally created. Man’s lifespan dropped dramatically after the flood, from hundreds of years to a mere 70 or 80.

The requirement for more protein in their diet was perhaps to counter that reality somewhat. But they were not to be “gluttonous eaters of flesh”, including vegetables in their diet as well other foods. Mankind’s first foods were fruit, having the choice of many varieties provided by God in the garden.

The other thing to consider was that animals did not prey on one another before then either…..as all were given a vegetarian rather than a vegan diet.

And, there was one further proviso…..

4  Only flesh with its life—its blood—you must not eat. 5  Besides that, I will demand an accounting for your lifeblood. I will demand an accounting from every living creature; and from each man I will demand an accounting for the life of his brother. 6  Anyone shedding man’s blood, by man will his own blood be shed, for in God’s image He made man. 7  As for you, be fruitful and become many, and increase abundantly on the earth and multiply.”

Blood was sacred to God as the lifeblood of all creatures sustained their lives and the reason why the sacrifices in Israel involved blood being poured out for the forgiveness of sins. Blood was the very symbol of life itself, and the reason why our savior had to shed his own blood to save mankind.

Every human would account to God for the blood they shed, be it animal or human.

Now, can we see the reason why the mandate to “subdue the earth” was missing?….in the first instance, humans were to represent God on this earth by taking care of all the creatures who would share life here and to care for the planet itself, turning the land outside the garden into a beautiful paradise where they were to live forever…..with the fall of man, that side of the mandate was put on hold whilst God dealt with sin and its dire consequences. Only after everything was reconciled and God’s original purpose re-established, could that mandate go ahead……the earth will then become the paradise of everlasting pleasure that God first intended it to be…..(Isa 55:11; Rev 21:2-3)

That is what my study of the Bible reveals…..FWIW.
 

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Reading the exchanges here I believe something important is missing…..the very reason why God granted permission to eat meat after the flood of Noah’s day, when that was not the original diet he mandated for all living creatures in Genesis?….

Gen 9:1-7….after the floodwaters had subsided…..
”God went on to bless Noah and his sons and to say to them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth.”
This was the same mandate given to Adam and his wife, with the exception of one important factor…the “subduing of the earth” was now missing. Why, becomes apparent on further investigation….

2  A fear of you and a terror of you will continue upon every living creature of the earth and upon every flying creature of the heavens, upon everything that moves on the ground and upon all the fish of the sea. They are now given into your hand.“

3  Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. Just as I gave you the green vegetation, I give them all to you.”


There were no animals that could not serve as food back then. So, before God allowed humans to eat the flesh of animals, there was no fear of man in them. This was instilled to give these creatures at least some protection from indiscriminate slaughter. Prior to God’s permission to eat meat, no animals had any reason to fear man…..now they did. The only reason to take their life, was for food….not sport. But we know what happened about that….and how God must feel about such wanton killing.

God’s original instructions in Eden were plainly stated….

“And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. 28  Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”

29 Then God said: “Here I have given to you every seed-bearing plant that is on the entire earth and every tree with seed-bearing fruit. Let them serve as food for you. 30  And to every wild animal of the earth and to every flying creature of the heavens and to everything moving on the earth in which there is life, I have given all green vegetation for food.” And it was so.”
(Gen 1:27-30)

So what was there before the flood, that was not there after it, causing God to alter the human diet?
The apostle Peter mentions a canopy of water that surrounded the earth, also mentioned in the Genesis account as “the waters above the expanse and the water below the expanse.” (Gen 1:6-8) There was a separating of the waters above and the waters below. If this water canopy was suspended there above the earth “by the word of God” as Peter stated, (2 Pet 3:5-6) then it explains where the water came from when God flooded the earth.…but where did the water go?

We have two poles on this earth which are both magnetic. Water responds to magnetism (the moon controls the tides through its magnetic pull) so the waters were drawn up into the polar regions and snap frozen when the climate changed in such a short period of time.
It also explains why there is concern about global warming and the polar ice caps melting and again flooding the earth.

That shield of water would have prevented radiation from the sun from harming living things on the earth, creating instead a temperate warm and moist climate in which life would thrive. Removing that canopy would alter the earth’s climate dramatically and increase radiation, leading to premature aging and death through various sicknesses which occurred as mankind descended further and further from the perfection with which they were originally created. Man’s lifespan dropped dramatically after the flood, from hundreds of years to a mere 70 or 80.

The requirement for more protein in their diet was perhaps to counter that reality somewhat. But they were not to be “gluttonous eaters of flesh”, including vegetables in their diet as well other foods. Mankind’s first foods were fruit, having the choice of many varieties provided by God in the garden.

The other thing to consider was that animals did not prey on one another before then either…..as all were given a vegetarian rather than a vegan diet.

And, there was one further proviso…..

4  Only flesh with its life—its blood—you must not eat. 5  Besides that, I will demand an accounting for your lifeblood. I will demand an accounting from every living creature; and from each man I will demand an accounting for the life of his brother. 6  Anyone shedding man’s blood, by man will his own blood be shed, for in God’s image He made man. 7  As for you, be fruitful and become many, and increase abundantly on the earth and multiply.”

Blood was sacred to God as the lifeblood of all creatures sustained their lives and the reason why the sacrifices in Israel involved blood being poured out for the forgiveness of sins. Blood was the very symbol of life itself, and the reason why our savior had to shed his own blood to save mankind.

Every human would account to God for the blood they shed, be it animal or human.

Now, can we see the reason why the mandate to “subdue the earth” was missing?….in the first instance, humans were to represent God on this earth by taking care of all the creatures who would share life here and to care for the planet itself, turning the land outside the garden into a beautiful paradise where they were to live forever…..with the fall of man, that side of the mandate was put on hold whilst God dealt with sin and its dire consequences. Only after everything was reconciled and God’s original purpose re-established, could that mandate go ahead……the earth will then become the paradise of everlasting pleasure that God first intended it to be…..(Isa 55:11; Rev 21:2-3)

That is what my study of the Bible reveals…..FWIW.
Are you missing several pages AJ?
 

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Are you missing several pages AJ?
What is with the one line quips that no one gets but you QT?

If you have something to add, do it intelligently so that others know what the heck you’re talking about…..

Did you want to read pages? That is about as condensed as I could make it….what does that even mean?
Apparently only you know…. :ummm:
 

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What is with the one line quips that no one gets but you QT?

If you have something to add, do it intelligently so that others know what the heck you’re talking about…..

Did you want to read pages? That is about as condensed as I could make it….what does that even mean?
Apparently only you know…. :ummm:
I figured you might struggle to get it but I tried anyway!
Perhaps you've forgotten past statements I've made. Could there possibly be a connection?

Jesus said this to his disciples at one stage, 'are you still so dull' Matthew 15:16. They had forgotten other things Jesus had told them. It frustrated him.
 
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Reading the exchanges here I believe something important is missing…..the very reason why God granted permission to eat meat after the flood of Noah’s day, when that was not the original diet he mandated for all living creatures in Genesis?….

Gen 9:1-7….after the floodwaters had subsided…..
”God went on to bless Noah and his sons and to say to them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth.”
This was the same mandate given to Adam and his wife, with the exception of one important factor…the “subduing of the earth” was now missing. Why, becomes apparent on further investigation….

2  A fear of you and a terror of you will continue upon every living creature of the earth and upon every flying creature of the heavens, upon everything that moves on the ground and upon all the fish of the sea. They are now given into your hand.“

3  Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. Just as I gave you the green vegetation, I give them all to you.”


There were no animals that could not serve as food back then. So, before God allowed humans to eat the flesh of animals, there was no fear of man in them. This was instilled to give these creatures at least some protection from indiscriminate slaughter. Prior to God’s permission to eat meat, no animals had any reason to fear man…..now they did. The only reason to take their life, was for food….not sport. But we know what happened about that….and how God must feel about such wanton killing.

God’s original instructions in Eden were plainly stated….

“And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. 28  Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”

29 Then God said: “Here I have given to you every seed-bearing plant that is on the entire earth and every tree with seed-bearing fruit. Let them serve as food for you. 30  And to every wild animal of the earth and to every flying creature of the heavens and to everything moving on the earth in which there is life, I have given all green vegetation for food.” And it was so.”
(Gen 1:27-30)

So what was there before the flood, that was not there after it, causing God to alter the human diet?
The apostle Peter mentions a canopy of water that surrounded the earth, also mentioned in the Genesis account as “the waters above the expanse and the water below the expanse.” (Gen 1:6-8) There was a separating of the waters above and the waters below. If this water canopy was suspended there above the earth “by the word of God” as Peter stated, (2 Pet 3:5-6) then it explains where the water came from when God flooded the earth.…but where did the water go?

We have two poles on this earth which are both magnetic. Water responds to magnetism (the moon controls the tides through its magnetic pull) so the waters were drawn up into the polar regions and snap frozen when the climate changed in such a short period of time.
It also explains why there is concern about global warming and the polar ice caps melting and again flooding the earth.

That shield of water would have prevented radiation from the sun from harming living things on the earth, creating instead a temperate warm and moist climate in which life would thrive. Removing that canopy would alter the earth’s climate dramatically and increase radiation, leading to premature aging and death through various sicknesses which occurred as mankind descended further and further from the perfection with which they were originally created. Man’s lifespan dropped dramatically after the flood, from hundreds of years to a mere 70 or 80.

The requirement for more protein in their diet was perhaps to counter that reality somewhat. But they were not to be “gluttonous eaters of flesh”, including vegetables in their diet as well other foods. Mankind’s first foods were fruit, having the choice of many varieties provided by God in the garden.

The other thing to consider was that animals did not prey on one another before then either…..as all were given a vegetarian rather than a vegan diet.

And, there was one further proviso…..

4  Only flesh with its life—its blood—you must not eat. 5  Besides that, I will demand an accounting for your lifeblood. I will demand an accounting from every living creature; and from each man I will demand an accounting for the life of his brother. 6  Anyone shedding man’s blood, by man will his own blood be shed, for in God’s image He made man. 7  As for you, be fruitful and become many, and increase abundantly on the earth and multiply.”

Blood was sacred to God as the lifeblood of all creatures sustained their lives and the reason why the sacrifices in Israel involved blood being poured out for the forgiveness of sins. Blood was the very symbol of life itself, and the reason why our savior had to shed his own blood to save mankind.

Every human would account to God for the blood they shed, be it animal or human.

Now, can we see the reason why the mandate to “subdue the earth” was missing?….in the first instance, humans were to represent God on this earth by taking care of all the creatures who would share life here and to care for the planet itself, turning the land outside the garden into a beautiful paradise where they were to live forever…..with the fall of man, that side of the mandate was put on hold whilst God dealt with sin and its dire consequences. Only after everything was reconciled and God’s original purpose re-established, could that mandate go ahead……the earth will then become the paradise of everlasting pleasure that God first intended it to be…..(Isa 55:11; Rev 21:2-3)

That is what my study of the Bible reveals…..FWIW.
On my phone now, so I'll be brief.

I agreed with a number of the things you said.

Did you have any thoughts on reconciling Christ as an agent of restoration to the original order and the warning against men forbidding the eating of certain foods? I'd like to hear if so.

Were you meaning to say your view is that the original diet will be restored at a future time?

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I agreed with a number of the things you said.

Did you have any thoughts on reconciling Christ as an agent of restoration to the original order
Yes, as you rightly said, if Christ re-established the original standard for marriage, then it stands to reason that he would restore all the things God said were “good” in Genesis after he had completed them…that included the creation of man and his assignment to have all creatures in subjection to him….and the diet he intended for them all. It was after all their perfect food.
and the warning against men forbidding the eating of certain foods? I'd like to hear if so.
This is pertinent especially in view of what the apostle Paul said….as already highlighted…

1 Tim 4:1-3….
”However, the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, whose conscience is seared as with a branding iron. 3 They forbid marriage and command people to abstain from foods that God created to be partaken of with thanksgiving by those who have faith and accurately know the truth.”

So forbidding to eat certain food in the Christian era was different to adhering to the Law given to Israel….that law came from God, and identified many things that Jews had to avoid in order to keep that Law. It really set them apart from the gentile nations, as did their monotheism, surrounded by nations who had multiple gods.

When Christ offered his life, he fulfilled the Law and abolished it. No longer were there restrictions on what foods could be eaten. But we know that the Catholic church was responsible for not only restricting certain foods on certain days, but also forbidding their priests to marry.

Because of the “prevalence of fornication,” the Bible says that “it is better to marry than to be inflamed with passion.” (1 Cor 7:2, 9)

In spite of this wise advice, many among the clergy are required to remain celibate, that is, unmarried. “The vow of celibacy is not broken,” explained Nino Lo Bello in his book The Vatican Papers, “if a priest, monk or nun engages in sexual relations. . . . Forgiveness for sexual relations can be obtained by making an honest declaration in the confessional, whereas the marriage of any priest would simply not be recognized by the Church.”
Has this teaching produced good or bad fruitage? (Matt 7:15-19)

No doubt, many priests live morally chaste lives, but a large number do not. In the past, the Roman Catholic Church was reported to have paid out hundreds of millions of dollars to settle cases of clergy sexual abuse.

Later, at the height of the AIDS epidemic, the death of a number of clergy from AIDS brought visibility to the presence of gay priests and observations that there were an inordinate number of gays drawn to the priesthood.…but not for spiritual reasons. No wonder the Bible states that “forbidding to marry” is a ‘teaching of demons.’
Were you meaning to say your view is that the original diet will be restored at a future time?
Yes…..there is no reason for them not to be, especially when you consider the prophesies in Isaiah 65….

From the Jewish Tanakh….
”17 For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, and the first ones shall not be remembered, neither shall they come into mind. . . .

21 And they shall build houses and inhabit them, and they shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat, for like the days of the tree are the days of My people, and My elect shall outlive their handiwork.
23 They shall not toil in vain, neither shall they bear for terror, for they are seed blessed by the Lord, and their offspring shall be with them.
24 And it shall be, when they have not yet called, that I will respond; when they are still speaking, that I will hearken.
25 A wolf and a lamb shall graze together, and a lion, like cattle, shall eat straw, and a serpent-dust shall be his food; they shall neither harm nor destroy on all My holy mount," says the Lord.

Since there will be ‘no harm or destruction’ in the earthly realm of the kingdom of God on earth, it is sure that no creature will be harmed by any other.…neither animals or humans.

In a complete re-establishment of God’s original purpose, all things will return to the way God purposed in the beginning. (Isa 55:11)

That is how I see the big picture….
 
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Reading the exchanges here I believe something important is missing…..the very reason why God granted permission to eat meat after the flood of Noah’s day, when that was not the original diet he mandated for all living creatures in Genesis?….

Gen 9:1-7….after the floodwaters had subsided…..
”God went on to bless Noah and his sons and to say to them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth.”
This was the same mandate given to Adam and his wife, with the exception of one important factor…the “subduing of the earth” was now missing. Why, becomes apparent on further investigation….

2  A fear of you and a terror of you will continue upon every living creature of the earth and upon every flying creature of the heavens, upon everything that moves on the ground and upon all the fish of the sea. They are now given into your hand.“

3  Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. Just as I gave you the green vegetation, I give them all to you.”


There were no animals that could not serve as food back then. So, before God allowed humans to eat the flesh of animals, there was no fear of man in them. This was instilled to give these creatures at least some protection from indiscriminate slaughter. Prior to God’s permission to eat meat, no animals had any reason to fear man…..now they did. The only reason to take their life, was for food….not sport. But we know what happened about that….and how God must feel about such wanton killing.

God’s original instructions in Eden were plainly stated….

“And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. 28  Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”

29 Then God said: “Here I have given to you every seed-bearing plant that is on the entire earth and every tree with seed-bearing fruit. Let them serve as food for you. 30  And to every wild animal of the earth and to every flying creature of the heavens and to everything moving on the earth in which there is life, I have given all green vegetation for food.” And it was so.”
(Gen 1:27-30)

So what was there before the flood, that was not there after it, causing God to alter the human diet?
The apostle Peter mentions a canopy of water that surrounded the earth, also mentioned in the Genesis account as “the waters above the expanse and the water below the expanse.” (Gen 1:6-8) There was a separating of the waters above and the waters below. If this water canopy was suspended there above the earth “by the word of God” as Peter stated, (2 Pet 3:5-6) then it explains where the water came from when God flooded the earth.…but where did the water go?

We have two poles on this earth which are both magnetic. Water responds to magnetism (the moon controls the tides through its magnetic pull) so the waters were drawn up into the polar regions and snap frozen when the climate changed in such a short period of time.
It also explains why there is concern about global warming and the polar ice caps melting and again flooding the earth.

That shield of water would have prevented radiation from the sun from harming living things on the earth, creating instead a temperate warm and moist climate in which life would thrive. Removing that canopy would alter the earth’s climate dramatically and increase radiation, leading to premature aging and death through various sicknesses which occurred as mankind descended further and further from the perfection with which they were originally created. Man’s lifespan dropped dramatically after the flood, from hundreds of years to a mere 70 or 80.

The requirement for more protein in their diet was perhaps to counter that reality somewhat. But they were not to be “gluttonous eaters of flesh”, including vegetables in their diet as well other foods. Mankind’s first foods were fruit, having the choice of many varieties provided by God in the garden.

The other thing to consider was that animals did not prey on one another before then either…..as all were given a vegetarian rather than a vegan diet.

And, there was one further proviso…..

4  Only flesh with its life—its blood—you must not eat. 5  Besides that, I will demand an accounting for your lifeblood. I will demand an accounting from every living creature; and from each man I will demand an accounting for the life of his brother. 6  Anyone shedding man’s blood, by man will his own blood be shed, for in God’s image He made man. 7  As for you, be fruitful and become many, and increase abundantly on the earth and multiply.”

Blood was sacred to God as the lifeblood of all creatures sustained their lives and the reason why the sacrifices in Israel involved blood being poured out for the forgiveness of sins. Blood was the very symbol of life itself, and the reason why our savior had to shed his own blood to save mankind.

Every human would account to God for the blood they shed, be it animal or human.

Now, can we see the reason why the mandate to “subdue the earth” was missing?….in the first instance, humans were to represent God on this earth by taking care of all the creatures who would share life here and to care for the planet itself, turning the land outside the garden into a beautiful paradise where they were to live forever…..with the fall of man, that side of the mandate was put on hold whilst God dealt with sin and its dire consequences. Only after everything was reconciled and God’s original purpose re-established, could that mandate go ahead……the earth will then become the paradise of everlasting pleasure that God first intended it to be…..(Isa 55:11; Rev 21:2-3)

That is what my study of the Bible reveals…..FWIW.
Compare to Counsels of Diet and Foods, Chapter 23....