Vaccine Adverse Effects

[Wrangler]

My daughter is responsible for a health system reporting info on covid and she knows there is no undercount!

But there sure is an overcount of COVID related deaths.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You are talking about one hospital. I am talking about actual nurses and doctors from many hospitals. And one nurse says when she saw no one was doing it, she did it and was reprimanded because it has to be done only by the person who gave the care. And I’ve listened to many such testimonies.

I am talking about on e health system that interacts with every hospital in covid matters with all other hospitals in a state. and that is the standard in all 50 states.

and do you have actual evidence or will it remain a mystery for this thread. Hospitals get paid for their covid tests, get free medical equipment for covid patients and get paid more money for covid patients who are uninsured or insured by medicaid or medicare. So underreporting is a serious disadvantage for hospitals.

And sorry, but if you cannot provide more than anonymous anecdotal evidence- why should it be accepted anymore than saying covid was introduced by aliens?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I'm not going to repost videos already posted over 2 years in here. You just keep arguing if that's what you want to do.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

No I won't I know what is happening.

That actually sounds about right…

 

[Aunty Jane]

I'm not going to repost videos already posted over 2 years in here. You just keep arguing if that's what you want to do.

Can’t talk to people with fingers in both ears whistlin’ Dixie......

To those who want the [email protected] are free to make that choice...we just want the same freedom without penalty. We are no more of a threat to the v@xxed than the other v@xxed people who can still get the v!rus and spread it around, as we see happening every day.

The hospitals are not full of people dying because they have C19....they are dying because of a failure of the health system to act quickly to prevent the v!rus from replicating and doing its damage. !vermectin is prophylactic as is hydroxycroquine and other anti-inflammatory medications....but stating that these are untested for C19, whilst j@bbing people with an even more untested drug is ridiculous!

Om!cr0n is proving to be no more serious than the common cold which is also a c0r0na v!rus.
We are happy to get it, and have done with this one......but who knows what's coming next?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That actually sounds about right…

wow you actually agree with me! I have been preaching the downfall of America for its wickedness for a long time now! So I am not surprised this nation is crumbling.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

To those who want the [email protected] are free to make that choice...we just want the same freedom without penalty. We are no more of a threat to the v@xxed than the other v@xxed people who can still get the v!rus and spread it around, as we see happening every day.

And if you were not so busy bearing false witness against me, you would see that I believe the same. I believe you should be able to not take the shot without penalty! It is too bad you didn't bother to read my posts that I said that several times over!

The hospitals are not full of people dying because they have C19....they are dying because of a failure of the health system to act quickly to prevent the v!rus from replicating and doing its damage. !vermectin is prophylactic as is hydroxycroquine and other anti-inflammatory medications....but stating that these are untested for C19, whilst j@bbing people with an even more untested drug is ridiculous!

And you are wrong here! Yes Ivermectin, hydroxycroquine and remdesivir are prophylactic, ONLY if one is infected and they are given the medication within 72 hours after initial infection. But they are not a cure all either, they have shown to lessen symptoms in some people.

Well all the meds used so far were not t4ested against C-19 in any clinical trials, it was actual field use or hospital use. Should they do more testing and research ? Absolutely! But the politics is stopping it and the politics is the problem. And these were discovered by chance. docotrs trying something after 10s of thousand swere already infected and thousands had died!

Teh vaccine went through several human clinical trials. IN america they had over 100,000 volunteers acxross all age groups to test. Far short of the normal testing that goes on for 8-10 years before a med makes it to market.

Here are the known side effects of using hydroxycroquine:

Tell your doctor right away if you have any serious side effects, including

• Arm/leg/back pain
• Slow/fast/irregular heartbeat
• Symptoms of heart failure
• Hair loss/color change
• Mental/mood changes
• Ringing in the ears/hearing loss
• Worsening of skin conditions
• Severe stomach/abdominal pain
• Severe nausea/vomiting
• Easy bleeding/bruising
• Signs of infection
• Dark urine
• Yellowing eyes/skin

This medication may rarely cause serious eye problems or muscle/nerve damage, especially if you take it for a long time. Get medical help right away if you have any very serious side effects, including

• Sensitivity to light
• Vision changes
• Muscle weakness
• Numbness/tingling/pain of the arms/legs

Get medical help right away if you have any very serious side effects, including

• Chest pain
• Fainting
• Seizures

A very serious allergic reaction to this drug is rare. However, get medical help right away if you notice any symptoms of a serious allergic reaction, including

• Rash
• Itching/swelling
• Dizziness
• Trouble breathing

Some of these can lead to death!

For ivermectin:

Check with your health care professional if any of the following side effects continue or are bothersome or if you have any questions about them:

More common—for the treatment of river blindness (onchocerciasis) only

• Fever, itching or skin rash
• joint or muscle pain
• painful and tender glands in neck, armpits, or groin
• rapid heartbeat

Less common—for the treatment of river blindness (onchocerciasis) only

• Headache
• swelling of the face, hands, arms, feet, or legs

Less common—for the treatment of strongyloidiasis only

• Diarrhea
• dizziness
• skin rash or itching

Rare—for the treatment of river blindness (onchocerciasis) only

• Lightheadedness when getting up from a lying or sitting position

Rare—for the treatment of strongyloidiasis only

• Loss of appetite
• shaking or trembling
• sleepiness

It appears only tachycardia can be fatal.

REmdesivir:

More common

• Back pain
• chest tightness
• chills
• cough
• dark-colored urine
• difficulty swallowing
• fast heartbeat
• fever
• flushing
• headache
• hives, itching
• light-colored stools
• nausea and vomiting
• puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue
• stomach pain, continuing
• trouble breathing
• unusual tiredness or weakness
• yellow eyes or skin

Less common

• Seizures
• skin rash

Besides tachycardia it also can cause liver damage and/or failure!

Seems all these drugs can kill people including the shot but I knew that as well.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I was talking to a dentist today and he also teaches at Howard University. I picked his brain and he picked mine and we decided this isn’t all from covid but was slowly building for years. Covid just rushed it headlong down the cliff. He was surprised that I had noted a slide before covid because I’m not in the medical field. I said I noticed pretty quickly after Obamacare that appointments went from one or two weeks out to two or more months out. Then, when my insurance was going to more than triple per month, I was forced into free insurance as I could no longer afford to pay it. I said I knew at the time what that meant. I didn’t understand why my insurance went up but I DID understand it forced me into free insurance which is to say, they stood me on another mans back. Quite against my will, but that’s what happened, I was putting more weight on someone else’s back.

I said I couldn’t yet quite grasp why they hadn’t been able to find a dental hygienist there and had heard they’re mostly younger women who got pregnant during covid so they didn’t come back but I knew that was only a contributing factor because they couldn’t find a dental hygienist at least a year BEFORE covid. So it began its slide when we brought in socialized medicine. It makes no sense that I go from paying $200 a month to paying nothing. Would it not have been better to leave me paying that rather than force me into paying nothing…?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

wow you actually agree with me! I have been preaching the downfall of America for its wickedness for a long time now! So I am not surprised this nation is crumbling.

oh…! Oh lol!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Whew, I almost peed my pants I laughed so hard!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I thought you said, no I won’t know what is happening. I misread it. Sorry.

 

[Cristo Rei]

Huh…150 m doses. 25 m people. They bought exactly 3 doses per person.

Six single doses u mean

 

[Cristo Rei]

@Ronald Nolette

"Some countries are using boosters to kill children which is not right"

Do you justify the sacrifice of children???
Or do you try to ignore or deny it still???

 

[Aunty Jane]

And if you were not so busy bearing false witness against me, you would see that I believe the same. I believe you should be able to not take the shot without penalty! It is too bad you didn't bother to read my posts that I said that several times over!

I have not born false witness against anyone. I am saying that you are defending something that is way more sinister than you know. The orthodox medical system is not really interested in curing anything. They just want our money.

You mentioned before that drugs are keeping people alive that would have died if they had not taken them. And I will wager that the people will be taking those drugs for the rest of their lives. The drugs are not curing anything....they are not meant to.

Orphan drugs are another classic example of the importance of financial incentives. If a drug is shown to help or improve the lives of anyone with a rare but devastating illness, they will not bring it to market if there are not enough 'customers'...hang the fact that people are suffering and dying. There is no compassion in business...it’s all about the money. Is that OK with you....if so, when did that become OK with anyone. My mother remembers the days when the local GP was paid with eggs and vegetables.....now that is what real medicine is all about....helping your fellow man. How sad that we lost that in favor of the almighty dollar.

And you are wrong here! Yes Ivermectin, hydroxycroquine and remdesivir are prophylactic, ONLY if one is infected and they are given the medication within 72 hours after initial infection. But they are not a cure all either, they have shown to lessen symptoms in some people.

These drugs could be given as a prophylactic before a person even gets exposed to the v!rus. These have been proven to work as preventatives, so everyone should have access to them. Lots of lives would have been saved if they had been administered.....according to equally qualified medical sources....the ones you want to discredit.

Well all the meds used so far were not t4ested against C-19 in any clinical trials, it was actual field use or hospital use. Should they do more testing and research ? Absolutely! But the politics is stopping it and the politics is the problem. And these were discovered by chance. docotrs trying something after 10s of thousand swere already infected and thousands had died!

The original v!rus was man made in a lab and released into the world, not accidentally by all accounts.....it was deadly because humans did "gain of function" research on them.....making the v!rus as deadly as possible, knowing that it would mutate in the future as all v!ruses do.

As long as they can use the scare tactics that were gained from the initial outbreak, to keep up the momentum via MSM, people would be scared to death (literally) of catching it. They still are, but the bug has petered out in many countries....no more deadly than the common cold it is said.
Herd immunity will only be possible by getting the v!rus and developing natural immunity......the stuff about it not lasting is unsubstantiated nonsense. If there were no antibodies, no one would get over it.......many millions have...many more than the number who have died from from poor medical response in hospitals.

Teh vaccine went through several human clinical trials. IN america they had over 100,000 volunteers acxross all age groups to test. Far short of the normal testing that goes on for 8-10 years before a med makes it to market.

And did you ever hear about the horror stories from those trials? Betcha didn't.

Seems all these drugs can kill people including the shot but I knew that as well.

The fact that drugs kill people and often make them sicker than they already were....(I have real experience with this) is 'expected' as unwanted "side effects" are made to appear to be "normal"....they are not "normal" at all. A bad side effect is the body's response to something that it cannot tolerate. That side effect is then countered with the so called effectiveness of the drug, which IMO is not worth the added burden on the body, taking synthetic substances that the body does not handle well.
You just get on the drug treadmill for the rest of your miserable life. "Got an unwanted side effect?....here let me give you another drug for that!"
Your lists are like something out of a horror movie....not a medicine that is supposed to make you well.

I personally have found way more success with complimentary/alternative medicine. It gets to the cause of the health issue, and helps the body to heal itself. Its not a quick fix, but it works better in the long run in my experience. Plants were used as medicine long before 'patent drugs' were invented. God's medicine. Good diet with good nutrition leads to a healthy immune system. That is our best defense.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

oh…! Oh lol!

I hoped this didn't make you too depressed, agreeing with me!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I hoped this didn't make you too depressed, agreeing with me!

haha,

 

[Nancy]

Bingo! Thank you SBG.......and that is why there is so much ignorance and belief in the propaganda @Ronald Nolette. The rest of this post is directed at you....

You never get to hear the other side...the medical whistle blowers who are fed up with the lies and cover ups. The frontline health workers who have lost their jobs because they refused what we now know is a largely untested and useless j@b. Those who know that once you are v@xxinated, you cannot be “unv@xxinated.

The doctors who put their livelihoods on the line to tell the truth about what is going on...the blackmail behind the silence. You, like many others, shielded from the true facts, stand there and support what is going on, and believe every word that an extremely corrupt medical system, acting as puppets for a global juggernaut are saying.....taking the world to a place where no one wants to go....except that the Bible predicted it a very long time ago....and nothing can stop it. (Matthew 24:21)

All those drugs that are produced and swallowed every day by people who believe that these artificial substances are saving their lives, when no one realises that the medical system is geared for ongoing profit, not cures of anything much, if they can help it. Doctors prescribe “treatments”, hopefully ones that will last for the rest of the victim’s life. That is what keeps the money rolling in.....billions of $$$$
It’s about symptom control, never about cures.

Orthodox medicine was overtaken very stealthily at the beginning of last century by two families who basically were so wealthy that they ended up commandeering the whole system and turned it into a commercial empire. They followed the marketing strategy that all good manufacturers follow....the business plan that makes what the other fellow offers look like poison, whist promoting their own poison and taking for granted the gullibility of the general public in believing whatever good marketers tell them....it’s called “perception management” and its a proven science that works for them every time. Only the thinkers and those who are not easily swayed by a good con will not fall victim. They demand answers and will not be dictated to by those who want to inject them with something that is not tested long term, and the amount of adverse effects are not publicised in the mainstream media.

And the fact that health authorities are now saying here in Australia that they expect everyone will get the v!rus. So why the j@bs? There is no proof that they stop you getting sick or dying. That is more to do with a person’s physical condition. The v!rus is weakening as they always do. Both the v@xxed and unv@xxed, if they have underlying health issues can die from the complications. But dying “from” Cv and dying “with” it are two very different things. The death rates have been fudged to promote panic. Fear is a powerful weapon.

Step back and see how the general population are slaves to the commercial system. Every way there is to make money, they capture their slaves with emotional hype and sell them a bill of goods. “A fool and his money....” ya know?

When censorship is this strictly enforced and doctors and health workers are threatened if they do not consent to an injection of a largely unknown substance into their bodies, with termination of their employment, then the power behind this nonsense has run amok. It’s now an exercise in control.

For Christians, we can see where this is all going, and we can put ourselves in a place of spiritual safety whilst following the general guidelines that make others feel safe. I have no objection to wearing a mask or washing my hands (I won’t use hand sanitizer because the bacteria will only get stronger to overpower it) and I have no problem with social distancing if it makes others feel more secure.....but I will not take this poison into my body when I see no advantage to it whatsoever, and disadvantages that many have never considered because of misplaced trust.
We know who is running this show and where he is headed. (1 John 5:19) Do you trust his agents? I don’t.

Awesome. TRUST NO MAN! It seems that those I know who sit in front of their tv's listening to the "news" are the ones who are in fear, believing all this bunk they are fed. This has stunk from day one when we saw the videos of people in China just falling dead on the ground while walking. Fear, fear and more fear. WHY do Christians fear ANYTHING??!! I'll keep the awesome immune system God gave us thank you.
Trust God, fear not...propaganda has been around a long time, and yes, in the U.S. too! It's all lies, smoke and mirrors. Funny how conspiracy theories MANY times turn into conspiracy fact.
SMH

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I have not born false witness against anyone. I am saying that you are defending something that is way more sinister than you know. The orthodox medical system is not really interested in curing anything. They just want our money.

You mentioned before that drugs are keeping people alive that would have died if they had not taken them. And I will wager that the people will be taking those drugs for the rest of their lives. The drugs are not curing anything....they are not meant to.

And if you provided real evidence to substantiate your vicious charges, I would be more than glad to study it. Just saying so doesn't cut it. I am saying I wanted to get the shot! I believe it helps me from getting real sick from covid. If that is defending it, I guess I am, but I need more than just you and taken and christo and stunned saying they are all evil, I want to see the evidence that made you feel that way.

Aunty Jane , you seem to not know the classes of drugs that are researched and produced. some drugs are designed to be curative, some are produce to be maintenance drugs! Short term drugs are curative drugs such as antibiotics, they treat a disease and evoke a cure! some drugs were designed as maintenance drugs to control conditions that have little or no known cures. I have several chronic and acute heart conditions that have no known cures or the cures are not for me due to the other cardiac conditions. The medications I take keep these conditions (not diseases) controlled. In years gone by. People would have died! Now we can live because of research done to find a medication to keep these conditions under control. One example, I live in near continual a-fib! I am not a candidate for the only known cure (cardiac ablation). So I am on three medications. Two to control the atrial fibrillation and one to keep blood clots from forming and killing me. I am grateful for the research pharmaceutical companies did to discover these maintenance drugs. Other wise I would have died probably 15 yearsa ago!

Orphan drugs are another classic example of the importance of financial incentives. If a drug is shown to help or improve the lives of anyone with a rare but devastating illness, they will not bring it to market if there are not enough 'customers'...hang the fact that people are suffering and dying. There is no compassion in business...it’s all about the money. Is that OK with you....if so, when did that become OK with anyone. My mother remembers the days when the local GP was paid with eggs and vegetables.....now that is what real medicine is all about....helping your fellow man. How sad that we lost that in favor of the almighty dollar.

People have suffered and died for centuries from diseases and conditions. Are drug companies supposed to lose billions of dollars? they would not be in business long that way and produce the other plethora of medications that are saving countless lives.

Yes orphan drugs for rare and small number diseases is a hard one. But why should we make say Pfizer spend the $1 to 1.5 billion dollars researching testing try, retry a drug to get it to market after 8-10 years, then spend the millions to produce and marke tthe drug if before they lose the patent on it when all sorts of companies can make knock offs for far cheaper (they don't haver to sdo the research) why do you demand they lose hundreds of millions or billions of dollars? Don't forget every year drug companies also spend billions in legal fees defending themselves form people who suffer the side effects they warned could happen! Or why should insurance companies foot the bill and lose money and make everyone pay more for insurance? thousands can no longer afford insurance and now have no drug plan- where is the compassion in that?

I do not believe in government insurance in America- it is against the constitution. but orpahn dsrugs for those rarte diseases that only thousand suffer from? Maybe the government could take care of that. But then again it is everyone who pays ofr4 government so it is actually you and I that would foot the bill.

YOu look at them and blame them for not curing everything! I look at them and see that in the last 20 years there has been a literal explosion of prescription medications that have evoked cures or have given people longer lives than they would have had with the medications. So I do not begrudge teh drug companies and insurance companies their 8-9% profit margins. that is a whole ot better than teh software companies with their 50-70% profit margins.

The original v!rus was man made in a lab and released into the world, not accidentally by all accounts.....it was deadly because humans did "gain of function" research on them.....making the v!rus as deadly as possible, knowing that it would mutate in the future as all v!ruses do.

I believe that as well, but we will never know for sure. but whether intentional, biological weapon, accidental or whatever, it spread globally and was killing people and we had to do something. Some off label uses of some meds give measured relief if the virus is caught in time, but that is not often.

Once again this vaccine is not without its problems. They did speed it through! 1 year instead of 8-10! and yes I heard some of the horror stories from some of the clinical trials. some are without proof and some are sad.

The fact that drugs kill people and often make them sicker than they already were....(I have real experience with this) is 'expected' as unwanted "side effects" are made to appear to be "normal"....they are not "normal" at all. A bad side effect is the body's response to something that it cannot tolerate.

Well aunty Jane, ALL DRUGS have side effects! Some benign and some real dangerous! We treat most cancers with radiation and chemo therapy. It is a race to destroy the cancer before enough good cells are killed. Medicine is not without its risks. I have said that many times. That is why one should have a good relation with their doctors and pharmacists as I do. Medications get to market because what is known as the risk/benefit ration tilts strongly on the benefit side. Something as benign as tylenol can cause liver failure! Before I went on the blood thinner eliquis, I had to be on warfarin (coumadin). Every 2 weeks I had to get my NRI values monitored and the warfarin levels changed or kept static. Warfarin was a concoction originally made as a rat killer! Then they found in much more moderate doses it could prevent blood clots! Some people dtill died formpoisoning, which is tragic, but teh benefits for the millions far outweighed the risks to a few. I wish it were better, but this is the real world we live in!

I personally have found way more success with complimentary/alternative medicine. It gets to the cause of the health issue, and helps the body to heal itself. Its not a quick fix, but it works better in the long run in my experience. Plants were used as medicine long before 'patent drugs' were invented. God's medicine. Good diet with good nutrition leads to a healthy immune system. That is our best defense.

And I also believe in a holistiv approach. It helps alot but some things vitamins and herbs will not stop. then we must take prescriptions. In a perfect world we all would eat lots of greens and fruits and veggies and limit our saturated fat intakes and so on and so on, but this is not a perfect world. It is a fallen world where viruses and bacteria and funguses run rampant. I for one wait for my glorifie dbody in heaven where I won't need CVS anymore! but until then, I am glad there are researchers that have given me a much greater quality of life because they discovered maintenance drugs I can take.

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[Aunty Jane]

And if you provided real evidence to substantiate your vicious charges, I would be more than glad to study it. Just saying so doesn't cut it. I am saying I wanted to get the shot! I believe it helps me from getting real sick from covid. If that is defending it, I guess I am, but I need more than just you and taken and christo and stunned saying they are all evil, I want to see the evidence that made you feel that way.

The real evidence is not available to the public...that is just the point. The public are not informed, but rather misinformed about the truth...it is hidden under the propaganda and the real agenda that will take this world inexorably to its final conclusion.

The j@b is not ‘the mark of the beast’ but I believe it is one component (an experiment) in a scheme to take us there. The goal is totalitarian control and its coming.....no one can stop it. The eighth king of Revelation will reign for a short period of time before Jesus brings down the curtain on satan’s world. (Revelation 17:11-14)

If you do not see who is controlling everything behind the scenes, (1 John 5:19) then you will not understand what has been taking place in the medical world since the early part of last century. It has been a slow and gradual hijacking that has replaced real medicine with artificial substances derived from plants in order to make people feel better......not to cure them.
Since the drug companies cannot patent a plant, they will synthesise a component of a plant and patent that, then they own that synthetic counterfeit and can charge what they like for it.......it’s symptom control without cure, ensuring the best business model imaginable. Like undertakers...they would never be out of business.

Who trains doctors in their medical practice? The system that teaches doctors is funded and controlled by the ones that manufactures the drugs, and teaches them how to write prescriptions.....that is what medicine became. But much of it isn’t real medicine....the system is a fraud.

Aunty Jane , you seem to not know the classes of drugs that are researched and produced. some drugs are designed to be curative, some are produce to be maintenance drugs! Short term drugs are curative drugs such as antibiotics, they treat a disease and evoke a cure! some drugs were designed as maintenance drugs to control conditions that have little or no known cures.

And what are we looking at now in hospitals across the world? Super bugs that no anti-biotic can fix....immune to all attempts to kill them.....didn’t science know the nature of bacteria and viruses? Didn’t they know that this would happen? But the quick fix and money to be made...who cared?

What about the hand sanitizers that people are using now to supposedly combat C19? Don’t they know what these will do to the bacteria that lives on skin? Our whole system works on bacteria and relies on it’s balance to function normally. Killing the good bacteria along with the bad is just asking for trouble. Same with Chemotherapy.....it kills everything, but the ‘good guys’ are necessary for recovery.
I have noticed lately that sanitizers are not being pushed in many places. But the gullible will still insist on using it. Ignorance kills people too.

People have suffered and died for centuries from diseases and conditions. Are drug companies supposed to lose billions of dollars?

Why does it cost drug companies so much money to produce their drugs? Nature provides so much natural medicine, but these cannot be patented so the money is spent trying to invent something similar so that they can make their huge profits.
Cannabis is a prime example of this. A plant that people can grow in their own gardens at home to make effective medicine for a multitude of ailments for free....and yet look what these evil companies did to demonise this wonderful medicine.....it has been shown to cure cancer without having to have your bald head in a toilet, throwing up, and you looking like a refugee from Auschwitz in the process.
Robbed of all your money, tortured beyond comprehension, and then you die anyway...if not straight away, then some years down the track, it is sure to come back and they will just repeat the process.
The only effective way to combat cancer is by enhancing your immune system.....chemo kills it. Imagine all the suffering and death that could have been alleviated if people had been given access to this plant...?

 

[Aunty Jane]

they would not be in business long that way and produce the other plethora of medications that are saving countless lives.

Saving lives is in their best interests....but the ones they save will have to be on medications for the rest of whatever, with many trying to live with awful side effects. I know so many....

I do not believe in government insurance in America- it is against the constitution.

And that is what perpetuates the insurance/medical fraud that blights your medical system. If all pay a small amount so that the majority are never without health care...how is that unconstitutional? I don’t understand....
What is actually unconscionable is the fact that doctors believe that their services are worth the ridiculous amounts of money they charge.....did you ever think of that? By the time people pay for the doctor’s consultation fee and are then referred to a specialist, and then possibly for treatment or surgery, the cost is probably close to the down payment on a house! That is sheer greed run amok!

YOu look at them and blame them for not curing everything!

No, I look at them quite differently, I can assure you. Most doctors are trained like seals....they only know one kind of “medicine” and others are trained to assist them in that modus operandi. That is what they believe the practice of “medicine” is. They have been taught that natural or alternative medicine is a fraud.....when I believe that they are the frauds. I have had way more success with much less stress on my body using what nature provides than any artificial chemical concoctions, which always made me sicker.

whether intentional, biological weapon, accidental or whatever, it spread globally and was killing people and we had to do something. Some off label uses of some meds give measured relief if the virus is caught in time, but that is not often.

Have you seen what is happening in Japan....they said no to the j@bs and are using the preventative medications.....and are now are the least affected by C19.

Well aunty Jane, ALL DRUGS have side effects! Some benign and some real dangerous! We treat most cancers with radiation and chemo therapy. It is a race to destroy the cancer before enough good cells are killed.

Don’t get me started again about chemo and radiation......especially the children....

And I also believe in a holistiv approach. It helps alot but some things vitamins and herbs will not stop.

Vitamins and supplements would not even be necessary if we ate good food....our bodies would absorb all the necessary nutrients from what we eat.....but the system we live in does not operate that way......wasn’t it Socrates who said....”let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food”. And doesn’t the Hypocratic Oath state: “first of all do no harm”? How does modern medicine fit those very important truths?

In a perfect world we all would eat lots of greens and fruits and veggies and limit our saturated fat intakes and so on and so on, but this is not a perfect world. It is a fallen world where viruses and bacteria and funguses run rampant. I for one wait for my glorifie dbody in heaven where I won't need CVS anymore! but until then, I am glad there are researchers that have given me a much greater quality of life because they discovered maintenance drugs I can take.

In our imperfect state we suffer many things because of who is ruling this corrupted world.....every man-made system is flawed...but the hope that we have does not depend on going to heaven. We were designed to live forever right here in paradise on earth.....that is the future I look forward to.