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@Ronald Nolette With religious extremists, it's a case of, Why spoil a good story with facts?

Trusting your wife is graciously strengthened in the sometimes harrowing work that she does...

I do not even consider them religious extremists, just people who have been fed very bad info filled with partial truths and people who have good credentials but not experts in knowing what they say.

Sadly, I taught and discipled a young man for several years and he was growing in very sound doctrine. He moved, met up with some shady preachers and came out and blared to all who would hear that the vaccine is the mark of the beast. I went back and forth with him and then asked for his sources that taught him this position. I spent hours with pepto bismol listening to these people. They were so far out of left field, I think they left the galaxy. He even doubled down on it. so I told him to stop praying for me. He is convinced I took the mark, so I told Him he must consdider me his mortal enemy and biblically I am beyond redemption. I also told him he should reconsider all I taught him, for if I took the mark, I was never saved and was a wolf in sheep's clothing and that he should inform our pastor!

I pray for him that God would open his eyes and realizer that taking a rational lok at the controversy surrounding this medication, much of it is false. I posted a thread stating what I believed and not believed. I pray god grants him repentance, for he is now going in a bad direction.
 

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And exactly how many is your many??? anmd what evidence do you have to support your many?
I am hearing from the people that you don't....they won't be seen or heard on the mainstream media because these will not allow them to tell their stories.....they are not conspiracy theorists but fully qualified people in the medical field who have been frontline workers in hospitals themselves, but because they cannot keep their job without getting the J@b, they are determined to be heard above the liars who are telling the world to still be terrified of a virus that has actually for now, run its course.

The medical professionals here in Australia have come out on National TV and said that everyone should try to get this new Omicron strain because you hardly get sick, and it will get us to herd immunity so much quicker than the v@xxes, which are clearly not working. But will big pharma and their owned media allow that? Not a chance! People wont need the endless booster shots they have planned. Bad for business.

But once again what is your answer to stem the tide from the
hundreds of thousands of deaths either from covid or attributed to covid for it enflamed a preexisting condition to the point of death?
I have already offered the best solutions available...but try to get a doctor who is part of the establishment to prescribe them....thankfully we can still obtain vitamins which are helpful immune system builders.
The mainstream medicos have apparently all swallowed the Kool Ade.

How often do people now get the original Alpha strain now? Haven't heard of it for about a year and a half...what about Beta?....or Delta? Hardly even hear about Delta anymore....so what about Omicron? It is sweeping the world...almost as if it was deliberately planted...but very few are getting sick enough to go to hospital and even less in ICU's, so it appears as if the panic is still there from the first virus strain but the subsequent strains are more infectious, but way less deadly. It seems as if those with comorbidities would probably have been taken out by the seasonal flu if they didn't get C19. How many die "from" C19, compared to those who die "with" it? Are you being suckered in by the groundswell of panic?

What would you do? Ball is in your court. Why don't we get your answer to that before you throw out more "generic" , many's with no numbers and no research.
Learning what the rest of the world thinks can alter your viewpoint....one side of a corrupt story is never the truth unless you can compare it to the other side. When you have such strict censorship and the right propaganda hammered night after night on the news media....the truth can look like lies, and vice versa...

But what would you have people do if the shot wasn't around? There is no known prophylaxis other than the shots. Teh meds available only work within the first 72 hours when most have not shown symptoms. So what is your answer.
Ask those in India what they did with good effect? Ivermectin works for them along with other cheaper drugs that were available.
Pfizer would not sell to poor nations with big populations because their bottom line is the most important thing. All they care about is their profits.

The 'evidentiary support' is missing because the media will not allow anything that is @nti-Vaxx to be seen or heard on the media....people are fed what they want them to believe.....misinformation......none of it is the truth.

Well show me the evidence that they are in some sinister cabal to keep us ill.
1 John 5:19....
Do a little research on how the medical system was hijacked a long time ago....

do you know the average cost big pharma shells out before they sell their first pill? You probably would deny it.
Any cost is more than recouped when the "approved" drug goes on sale.....sometimes for thousands of dollars and well beyond the reach of the poor. Patents make sure that the coffers will be overflowing because they can charge for patent medicines whatever they set the price for. You think its fair that only the rich can afford their drugs?
The American health system is a disgrace! And in this so called pandemic, all health systems that promote these experimental j@bs are a disgrace IMO. The real experiment is in control not health issues. Fear first...then force. Wait for it.

Can you show me teh facts you used to say big pharma is making multi billions form the shot?
Pfizer, BioNTech and Moderna making $1,000 profit every second while world’s poorest countries remain largely unvaccinated - World

But why don't you answer this simple question- Aunty Jane, you now are in charge- what would you do to stem trhe tide of this virus that came from China and is dropping people like flies. What are you going to do to show you care?
I'll let Prof. Edward J Steele (Molecular Immunologist) speak about why these jabs can never work....and why natural immunity is superior to any j@b.

Murderous Big Pharma LIE for Jab Profits

CDC deceptive about Natural Immunity to serve Jab Agenda
 

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I am hearing from the people that you don't....they won't be seen or heard on the mainstream media because these will not allow them to tell their stories.....they are not conspiracy theorists but fully qualified people in the medical field who have been frontline workers in hospitals themselves, but because they cannot keep their job without getting the J@b, they are determined to be heard above the liars who are telling the world to still be terrified of a virus that has actually for now, run its course.

The medical professionals here in Australia have come out on National TV and said that everyone should try to get this new Omicron strain because you hardly get sick, and it will get us to herd immunity so much quicker than the v@xxes, which are clearly not working. But will big pharma and their owned media allow that? Not a chance! People wont need the endless booster shots they have planned. Bad for business.


I have already offered the best solutions available...but try to get a doctor who is part of the establishment to prescribe them....thankfully we can still obtain vitamins which are helpful immune system builders.
The mainstream medicos have apparently all swallowed the Kool Ade.

How often do people now get the original Alpha strain now? Haven't heard of it for about a year and a half...what about Beta?....or Delta? Hardly even hear about Delta anymore....so what about Omicron? It is sweeping the world...almost as if it was deliberately planted...but very few are getting sick enough to go to hospital and even less in ICU's, so it appears as if the panic is still there from the first virus strain but the subsequent strains are more infectious, but way less deadly. It seems as if those with comorbidities would probably have been taken out by the seasonal flu if they didn't get C19. How many die "from" C19, compared to those who die "with" it? Are you being suckered in by the groundswell of panic?


Learning what the rest of the world thinks can alter your viewpoint....one side of a corrupt story is never the truth unless you can compare it to the other side. When you have such strict censorship and the right propaganda hammered night after night on the news media....the truth can look like lies, and vice versa...


Ask those in India what they did with good effect? Ivermectin works for them along with other cheaper drugs that were available.
Pfizer would not sell to poor nations with big populations because their bottom line is the most important thing. All they care about is their profits.

The 'evidentiary support' is missing because the media will not allow anything that is @nti-Vaxx to be seen or heard on the media....people are fed what they want them to believe.....misinformation......none of it is the truth.


1 John 5:19....
Do a little research on how the medical system was hijacked a long time ago....


Any cost is more than recouped when the "approved" drug goes on sale.....sometimes for thousands of dollars and well beyond the reach of the poor. Patents make sure that the coffers will be overflowing because they can charge for patent medicines whatever they set the price for. You think its fair that only the rich can afford their drugs?
The American health system is a disgrace! And in this so called pandemic, all health systems that promote these experimental j@bs are a disgrace IMO. The real experiment is in control not health issues. Fear first...then force. Wait for it.


Pfizer, BioNTech and Moderna making $1,000 profit every second while world’s poorest countries remain largely unvaccinated - World


I'll let Prof. Edward J Steele (Molecular Immunologist) speak about why these jabs can never work....and why natural immunity is superior to any j@b.

Murderous Big Pharma LIE for Jab Profits

CDC deceptive about Natural Immunity to serve Jab Agenda

Hey AJ... Hope your doing well...
Is it even worth it trying to show common sense to these hypnotized people anymore???

These knuckle heads don't care about deaths and disabilities from the experimental needles
They don't care that our rights are being taken away
They don't care that experts are being censored
They don't care that criminal tactics are being used to force the needle
They don't even care about the discrimination and vilification of the unvaxed

They have become cold hearted, they lack common sense, empathy and morality among other things
 

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QUOTE:Cristo Rei
Hey @Aunty Jane. Hope your doing well...
Is it even worth it trying to show common sense to these hypnotized people anymore???

These knuckle heads don't care about deaths and disabilities from the experimental needles
They don't care that our rights are being taken away
They don't care that experts are being censored
They don't care that criminal tactics are being used to force the needle
They don't even care about the discrimination and vilification of the unvaxed

They have become cold hearted, they lack common sense, empathy and morality among other things.


Dear All,

Scripture tells us that in the end times we'll see scoffers and those whose conscience is seared, and also tells us what to do after we've warned them:

Matt. 15: 13 He answered, “Every plant which my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up. 14 Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”


And so we follow Scripture!

With VERY BEST REGARDS,
Bobby Jo & ELAM :rolleyes:

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They have become cold hearted, they lack common sense, empathy and morality among other things

Prophesy is being fulfilled....
"Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, too, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold. 13 But the one who has endured to the end will be saved."

We definitely need endurance.....our salvation depends on it.
 

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@Reggie Belafonte @Bobby Jo @JohnPaul @APAK @Enoch111

I hope you had/having a great Christmas guys...

Here are a couple of short videos of some unbelievable statements made by world leaders recently...

The head of the WHO, Tedros said
"Some countries are using boosters to kill children which is not right"


Canadian prime minister, Justin Tredeau said this

"regardless of the fact that we are attacking your fundamental rights, we're still going to go ahead and do it"
"its a loophole that allows a majority to overwrite the fundamental rights of a minority"


I hope you can see these videos... I have my thoughts on them but id like to hears your first please
 

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Well right now there is no forced coercion for children to get the shot. the federal govt. cannot force a mandate, but states and cities and towns could. Children are required to get multiple shots before they can go to public and in many states private schools as well.
This is factually wrong. There are schools that have already started implementing forced vaccinations on 14 year old children, even if their parents/guardians don't approve of it. You are also factually wrong on the premise that states, cities, and towns have the legal authority to enforce jabs. No state, city, or town official possess the legal authority to enforce jab mandates.

If those officials already had the legal authority to force people to get jabbed, they wouldn't have to go so far as to buy children's silence with pizza. That should be an inherent red flag that government and school officials are blatantly attempting to remove constitutional restraints on their power. And not so coincidentally, this is generally being done in Democrat controlled areas. It should certainly be obvious to anyone with spiritual discernment that demons are using these Democrat officials to undermine the parents' authority over their children. This is straight out of the Communist playbook.
 

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This is factually wrong. ...

Hi DOAN,

Not to burst anyone's bubble, but @Ronald Nolette apparently doesn't care what the TRUTH of a matter is, he's only interested in pushing his personal views and agendas. In my conversations, he's never admitted he's wrong, or accepted anything that Scripture plainly states if it disagrees with either what he's been "taught" or come to believe.

And so I can only recommend what we've been advised:

Matt. 15:13 He answered, “Every plant which my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up. 14 Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”


With Very Best Regards, and Merry Christmas to you and yours,
Bobby Jo & ELAM (ELAM does the thinking, and I do the typing) :rolleyes:

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For your information, the only "religious extremists" are those whose fathers murdered the Prophets and hung Jesus from a cross. So please find a mirror.

Bobby Jo

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And my fathers murdered the prophets and hung Jesus from the cross how? Are you saying I am a prophet murderer and crucifier of Jesus? You have yet to show me any evidence of my supposed hypocrisy you accused me of, now you add more accusations>?
 

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I am hearing from the people that you don't....they won't be seen or heard on the mainstream media because these will not allow them to tell their stories.....they are not conspiracy theorists but fully qualified people in the medical field who have been frontline workers in hospitals themselves, but because they cannot keep their job without getting the J@b, they are determined to be heard above the liars who are telling the world to still be terrified of a virus that has actually for now, run its course.

If they are determined to be heard, then how can they when they won't ve seen or heard for fear! I am willing to hear them, let them tell me what evidence they have.

The medical professionals here in Australia have come out on National TV and said that everyone should try to get this new Omicron strain because you hardly get sick, and it will get us to herd immunity so much quicker than the v@xxes, which are clearly not working. But will big pharma and their owned media allow that? Not a chance! People wont need the endless booster shots they have planned. Bad for business.

Isn't that funny, for I heard that here on mainstream media here in america! Not just on fox, but on the leftist media as well! Omicron is a very mild strain, getting it appears to cause very few severe illnesses and you get immune. the only problem with Omicron though is that the spike protein makeup is different than the other variants and may not give you immunity to say the Alpha, Beta. Delta and Epsilon variants.

I have already offered the best solutions available...but try to get a doctor who is part of the establishment to prescribe them....thankfully we can still obtain vitamins which are helpful immune system builders.
The mainstream medicos have apparently all swallowed the Kool Ade.

that is not a solution once a virus has begun its run through a population. Taking vit. D,C,B-co9mlex and Zinc is not a prophylaxis, it will not prevent you from getting covid. So what else would you do to stem an outbreak that is killing thousands and hosptializing hundreds of thousands under your care?


Ask those in India what they did with good effect? Ivermectin works for them along with other cheaper drugs that were available.
Pfizer would not sell to poor nations with big populations because their bottom line is the most important thing. All they care about is their profits.

The 'evidentiary support' is missing because the media will not allow anything that is @nti-Vaxx to be seen or heard on the media....people are fed what they want them to believe.....misinformation......none of it is the truth.

Are you talking about the Sept-Oct 2020 study amongst Indian healthcare workers?

A study involving only 117 people (76 testees and 41 control cases.) Yes the results were quite promising if one did not involve themselves in physical activity. If among the 76 testees, they refrained from physical acitivity, they experienced a 73% less chance of contracting covid for a month. If they were involved in physical activity for more than one hour a day- the results were negligible. Is this the study yo uare referring to? Not a good result. As has been written by me, Ivermectin can be an extremely succesful medication in reducing death and sever illness in covid-19 patients if taken in the first 72 hours of being infected. As most people do not display symptoms or even teast positive until after 5 days, Ivermenctin does little good once someone displays symptoms. It cannot be used as a preventative as the risks far outwieh possible benefit. It will not stop somewone from getting covid.

The 'evidentiary support' is missing because the media will not allow anything that is @nti-Vaxx to be seen or heard on the media....people are fed what they want them to believe.....misinformation......none of it is the truth.

did they scrub the world wide web as well? I find no magic cure for ivermectin ther. And if the media is controlling it so tightly , how did you get it?


Any cost is more than recouped when the "approved" drug goes on sale.....sometimes for thousands of dollars and well beyond the reach of the poor. Patents make sure that the coffers will be overflowing because they can charge for patent medicines whatever they set the price for. You think its fair that only the rich can afford their drugs?
The American health system is a disgrace! And in this so called pandemic, all health systems that promote these experimental j@bs are a disgrace IMO. The real experiment is in control not health issues. Fear first...then force. Wait for it.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. the average cost to get any prescritipn to market in America is $1,500,000,000 yes that is billion. AND THAT DOES NOT EVEN INCLUDE THE COST OF THE MYRIAD DRUGS THAT ARE RESAERCHED, ADVANCED TO TRIALS AND PULLED FOR ALL TEH REASONS. Some drugs are very expensive because of the limited number of potential users. Remember once a company has spent $1.5 billion to get a drug to market, then comes the cost of production, marketing delievering and covering the legions of lawsuits because some people experience the very side effects the company siad they might experience if they take this drug. They then have to make a profit in only 17 years when their patent expires and those in India and China produce unregulated drugs sold in America. Yes Big Pharma makes a profit- is that a sin? They make about 8% way down the ladder compared to many other companies.

Pfizer, BioNTech and Moderna making $1,000 profit every second while world’s poorest countries remain largely unvaccinated - World


Well this biased group has left a lot of information out of their accusations. Like is that gross profit? We know it is x profit. so that gets whittled down some but is it pre expense profit as well and is it gross profit from all businesses? To little info on their part.


Well He told me nothing new I haven't already read and heard! The shot is a prophylaxis and not a cure all. The virus enters through the mouth or nose. Some people get real sick, some don't! I have seen 94 year old with several comorbidities get covid and suffer just the sniffles, and then a 30 year old very healthy nephew get very very sick. This guiyu7g spoke fo research done 15 years ago, long before this novel corona virus was even a thought.
Yes we are reaching herd immunity, and yes it appears that covid is mutating to a non virulent form and could end up becoming like the flu. I am not addressing the politics, or the reactions of govt. I am simply talking about the efficacy of taking a shot (or three), and sorry, no matter what you say, we now have irrefutable, empirical data showing taking shots works to vastly reduce the incidence of serious illness and death, Also he filmed this saying the pandemic was over in teh northern hemisphere, about 5 weeks before we had a terrible resurgence and hyge spike in hospitalizations and deaths from covid.
 

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This is factually wrong. There are schools that have already started implementing forced vaccinations on 14 year old children, even if their parents/guardians don't approve of it. You are also factually wrong on the premise that states, cities, and towns have the legal authority to enforce jabs. No state, city, or town official possess the legal authority to enforce jab mandates.

If those officials already had the legal authority to force people to get jabbed, they wouldn't have to go so far as to buy children's silence with pizza. That should be an inherent red flag that government and school officials are blatantly attempting to remove constitutional restraints on their power. And not so coincidentally, this is generally being done in Democrat controlled areas. It should certainly be obvious to anyone with spiritual discernment that demons are using these Democrat officials to undermine the parents' authority over their children. This is straight out of the Communist playbook.

Well you need to read the constitution. states have been mandating vaccinations for decades now! One can refuse but the children may not be able to attend public school. That has passed constitutional muster for decades. Under the 9th and 10th amendments. I can't speak to this "pizzagate" for I know nothing of the situation.

Well as I have com eout enough times to make anyone puke that I am against forced mandates in this- the rest of your post is useless to me.
 

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Not to burst anyone's bubble, but @Ronald Nolette apparently doesn't care what the TRUTH of a matter is, he's only interested in pushing his personal views and agendas. In my conversations, he's never admitted he's wrong, or accepted anything that Scripture plainly states if it disagrees with either what he's been "taught" or come to believe.

Lying is unbecoming of you.

What verses have you shown mke that speaks of we shouldn't take a medication? You haven't. I love the truth, but you push slogans, and statements form "experts" with out research to back it.

And I wrote out my personal views. Maybe you should read them instead of bearing false witness.
 

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Unvaccinated D.C. firefighters working overtime on Christmas to cover vaccinated with COVID

Pandemic Panic
Unvaccinated D.C. firefighters working overtime on Christmas to cover vaccinated with COVID
Mayor’s vaccine mandate threatens firing as Omicron hits safety

Emily Miller, 23 hr ago

Captain Mike Engels has been with the D.C. Fire department for 21 years, and this Christmas is the worst staffing shortage he’s ever experienced because of Omicron. Just in the past few days, over 100 members of D.C. Fire and EMS tested positive for COVID and 75% of them are vaccinated.

Engels, who is unvaccinated, said they are stretched to a breaking point — both from fatigue and the fear of being fired for the city’s vaccine mandate.

”I will be working 48 hours straight over the next few days because of vaccinated members being quarantined or COVID positive,” Captain Engels told me in an interview. “But the city is trying to fire the unvaccinated because we are supposedly an undue risk to the public.”
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Yep, the "vax" is "working" exactly as intended, -- to destroy the Health of our Citizens, destroy our Economy, and destroy our Nation.


satan's plan is working.
Bobby Jo

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Unvaccinated D.C. firefighters working overtime on Christmas to cover vaccinated with COVID

Pandemic Panic
Unvaccinated D.C. firefighters working overtime on Christmas to cover vaccinated with COVID
Mayor’s vaccine mandate threatens firing as Omicron hits safety

Emily Miller, 23 hr ago

Captain Mike Engels has been with the D.C. Fire department for 21 years, and this Christmas is the worst staffing shortage he’s ever experienced because of Omicron. Just in the past few days, over 100 members of D.C. Fire and EMS tested positive for COVID and 75% of them are vaccinated.

Engels, who is unvaccinated, said they are stretched to a breaking point — both from fatigue and the fear of being fired for the city’s vaccine mandate.

”I will be working 48 hours straight over the next few days because of vaccinated members being quarantined or COVID positive,” Captain Engels told me in an interview. “But the city is trying to fire the unvaccinated because we are supposedly an undue risk to the public.”
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Yep, the "vax" is "working" exactly as intended, -- to destroy the Health of our Citizens, destroy our Economy, and destroy our Nation.


satan's plan is working.
Bobby Jo

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Yes the vax is working as intended. It is causing those who do get covid to be less sick. the problem you are yapping about is not the shot, but foolish government rules requiring quarantine is one tests positive for the virus. YOu are foolishly confusing teh political reactions with th emedication.

I agree with you that many political decisions have been foolhardy. but the shots are working just as intended and advertised for a long time now! They made it well known that the shots would be effective in preventing serious effects and death from covid and they have. Not 100% but the results are in teh vaccinated are being hospitalized and dying in far fewer numbers than the unvaccinated.

If teh firefighters are asymptomatic- let them work!
 

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I do not even consider them religious extremists, just people who have been fed very bad info filled with partial truths and people who have good credentials but not experts in knowing what they say.

Sadly, I taught and discipled a young man for several years and he was growing in very sound doctrine. He moved, met up with some shady preachers and came out and blared to all who would hear that the vaccine is the mark of the beast. I went back and forth with him and then asked for his sources that taught him this position. I spent hours with pepto bismol listening to these people. They were so far out of left field, I think they left the galaxy. He even doubled down on it. so I told him to stop praying for me. He is convinced I took the mark, so I told Him he must consdider me his mortal enemy and biblically I am beyond redemption. I also told him he should reconsider all I taught him, for if I took the mark, I was never saved and was a wolf in sheep's clothing and that he should inform our pastor!

I pray for him that God would open his eyes and realizer that taking a rational lok at the controversy surrounding this medication, much of it is false. I posted a thread stating what I believed and not believed. I pray god grants him repentance, for he is now going in a bad direction.
I too have known young men who seemed to show promise in the Scriptures; but when they are around people who make sweeping statements based on half-truths and ignorance their effectiveness in ministry can be severely compromised.
 
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