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Wrangler

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How many people have to die from the shot before you realize making people take it is evil?

Let me repeat again as you seem very dense. I am against making people take the shot! I have simply said that the federal government constitutionally cannot make people take the shot. but constitutionally the states or towns can mandate the shots.

You are a coward for not answering my question! This is not about the law but life and death, good and evil. (The distinction between who the coercive agent is, federal or other State form is irrelevant and beneath you, brother). My question is about you; How many people have to die from the shot before you realize making people take it is evil?
 

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And are you surprised?? ...

Depriving a Parent from making decisions for their children's welfare is NOT INFORMED CONSENT. And people who FALSELY accuse others of LYING need to confess their error, repent, and ask forgiveness. But history seems to prove that RELIGIOUS PEOPLE are exempt from being held accountable for their transgressions.​

I'm not surprised that some try to change the subject, and I don't expect that their hypocrisy will change. It's how RELIGIOUS PEOPLE operate.
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Christians need to realize that the constitution of the U.S. allows for states, cities and employers to legally make these kind of decisions.

Without derailing this thread, you are woefully ignorant of our system of limited government under our federation. The 10A reserves all power not enumerated to the federation for the States, yes. However, that does not mean the States have all un-enumerated power. There are State Constitutions and one Inter-State Constitution.

Rather, each State Constitution grants from the people therein what power they are to have. Thus preserves our system of dividing power to safeguard liberty. No Constitution gives authority of health care decisions by, for and of the individual to the State.

The purpose of government is to help people protect their right to life, liberty and property; not to take such rights from the people.
 

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I'm reminded that not every tree bears fruit, and are hewn down:

Matt. 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

GOD's patience will not endure forever.
Bobby Jo

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It seems my comment about your forked tongue hit the mark. While you say you are not for forced vaccinations, you simultaneously advocate for the deception that you've already admitted; that the shot is not even technically a vaccine, forced or not.

This is my last chance?! You are deceived, lost and advocate for the Adversary. (I wish I could even say unknowingly advocating for the Adversary but that you've demonstrated that you do know) Stop writing what you know to be a deception! I asked you specific questions that you failed to answer. (Such as, since you do not even know what is in the shot, how can you conclude it is simple medicine? And if the shot is not technically a vaccine, what technically is it?)

I will not give you a last chance for my lord said to forgive 70 times 7. However, I will ask you to state in positive terms (no negating, twist "not") what it is you are advocating for regarding the topic of 'Vaccine' Adverse Effects? I think I know the answer but want to give you the chance to express yourself.

Well AS YOU HAVE TWISTED MY WORDS AND HAVE PROVEN YOUR SELF A LIAR, i WILL NOT ANSWER. welcome TO THE WORLD OF IGNORE. You CAN BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST ME ALL YOU WISH, i WILL NOT SEE IT ANYMORE
 

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Blah blah blah keep tossing Gods children onto the fire for the evil one, your doing a great job of it

Well you seem to be great at making accusations but fail in proving them. I am not the one bearing false witness,and notone person who has said taking the covid shot is working with the devil has yet to present evidence to prove their case. Accuse and then slink away! That is throwing a brother into the fire.

I didn't think bearing false witness is okay among brethren.
 
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Well you seem to be great at making accusations but fail in proving them. I am not the one bearing false witness,and notone person who has said taking the covid shot is working with the devil has yet to present evidence to prove their case. Accuse and then slink away! That is throwing a brother into the fire.

I didn't think bearing false witness is okay among brethren.
People beseech me but they’ll never teach me things that I already know.
 

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Well you seem to be great at making accusations but fail in proving them. I am not the one bearing false witness,and notone person who has said taking the covid shot is working with the devil has yet to present evidence to prove their case. Accuse and then slink away! That is throwing a brother into the fire.

I didn't think bearing false witness is okay among brethren.

Blah blah blah and yet you still keep promoting the plan of the evil one...

You are one real piece of ill work...

Supporting human sacrifice
Supporting forced needles
Supporting discrimination

And don't try and deny it. The fact that you are still blabbing on is clear evidence that you either support or don't care about such things

You only support the evil ones agenda
 

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Yes this virus is so mild except for the over 800,000 who died, the millions who had to be intubated and the hundreds of thousands with permanent lung scar tissue from it. Other wise, no problem.
I am sad to read that you believe this. If you take your information from the ones who produce the v@xx!nes, you will never get the truth...they have a vested interest in lying to you. And if you believe them, they will keep j@bbing you every couple of months and laughing all the way to the bank at your expense.
It costs them, about $1 to produce a single sh0t...but they charge about $40.....Pfizer alone has made $$billions and still counting.

The truth, as told by credible and credentialed medical professions who are brave enough to speak up about the damage that these v@xxes are doing to people, leaving them sick, permanently disabled and even killing some of them is admirable. They are gagged and their reputations ruined by those with reasons to promote the useless v@xxines.

The Cv19 v!rus was originally a deadly piece of man's work and it was virulent and deadly because it was designed to be....but scientists know that viruses mutate to become more transmissible but less deadly to their hosts. The media was used to film all manner of scary scenes when the original virus hit, and we are still seeing the scare tactics used as if the ensuing mutated strains are as deadly as the first....they are not....but the image is imprinted and the scare tactics keep people afraid. Fear is a powerful weapon.

Do you know what caused people to be admitted to the ICU? No early intervention. The medical personnel treating Cv patients were told that it was not proper protocol to administer any drugs in the early stages in order for the virus to be halted before life threatening complications began. If someone tested positive, they simply sent them home with nothing, and told them to come back if they got really sick....too late then. There are a handful of drugs that could be used, but doctors were instructed not to administer them. By the time these patients were admitted to the ICU, it was too late to stop the deadly inflammation and most of them died unnecessarily. Poor medical management was responsible for the majority of deaths, not a lack of vaxxin@tions. What other Vaxx do you know of that required several boosters within a couple of months? This is proof that the vaxx doesn't work....or that what is given is not actually a true v@xx!nat!on. It is an untested drug and those who lined up to be j@bbed are the guinea pigs.

If early intervention was administered, and if people took better care of their health, this p@ndem!c would not have taken so many lives....mostly the elderly and those with underlying health conditions, like obesity and diabetes. Its as though the v!rus was deliberately designed for everyone that was a financial drain on the system. And their treatment (or lack of it) was to ensure that most never recovered.

People are basically lazy and would rather pop a pill or take a j@b than alter their lifestyle and improve the function of their own immune system. Those with healthy immune systems survived the mutated strains at home with a 99% recovery rate. Most said it was like a mild case of the flu.

They count everyone who died "with" c0v!d as though they die "from" it....the figures are fudged to imply that this v!rus is way more deadly that it really is. People could educate themselves and become their own advocates if they test positive for C19.
There are things you can do....taking vitamins supplements like vitamin D and zinc. Mega doses of vitamin C also boost the immune system.

The v@xxing has proven that it isn't working....
 

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But the liars accuse those who tell the TRUTH, and I suspect there's a place in eternity reserved for them.

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But the liars accuse those who tell the TRUTH, and I suspect there's a place in eternity reserved for them.

Bobby Jo

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And did they conclude via medical research that teh shot was the causal effect? Was there complications before unknown that happened either pushed by the mom's vaccine or just a coincidence? I am not saying that the vaccine is not culpable. but in be3lieving circles we have so many Henny Penny the sky is falling statements like this, it is hard to separate the wheat from the chaff.
 

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And what do you think my status is?

?Hypocrisy? -- Calling others liars.

But it's ok, we all make choices in life, -- some that we might not suffer loss, and others which are to our detriment either temporal or eternal. And for some it's to late to repent:

1 Tim. 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 through the pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared,


So go your own way and receive your "reward".
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I am sad to read that you believe this. If you take your information from the ones who produce the v@xx!nes, you will never get the truth...they have a vested interest in lying to you. And if you believe them, they will keep j@bbing you every couple of months and laughing all the way to the bank at your expense.

Well I simply listen to ER nurses and doctors! And unless one can prove that doctors and nurses and the media are colluding to intentionallt decieve Americans (for what purpose), then what I have been told by eyewitnesses is not unusual but a common phenomena across the land.

And I pay 0$ for the shot so they can laugh on someone elses dime!

The truth, as told by credible and credentialed medical professions who are brave enough to speak up about the damage that these v@xxes are doing to people, leaving them sick, permanently disabled and even killing some of them is admirable. They are gagged and their reputations ruined by those with reasons to promote the useless v@xxines.

Yes this is sadly true as I have written repeatedly. but I have listened to and checked many of teh se medical "experts" and found that while they are very intelligent and probably excellentr in their fields, most of them making these claims are not immunologists, virologists, geneticists, microbiologists etc. who can give expert opinions as it is their field of study.

Useless vaccine? do you have empirical research showing it is useless? From all I seen now since the shots have been happening for a year now- death rates for teh vaccinated and serious illness rates among tghe vaccinated are multiple times lower than the unvaccinated. that is strong tangible empirical evidence that teh vaccine is more than useless.

The Cv19 v!rus was originally a deadly piece of man's work and it was virulent and deadly because it was designed to be....but scientists know that viruses mutate to become more transmissible but less deadly to their hosts.

Yes it was man made and I believe either accidently or intentionally released. Yes it was and still in its earlier iterations. And yes as it continues to mutate it is getting less and less deadly. It is acting like most influenzas, as it changes it gets less deadly.

Do you know what caused people to be admitted to the ICU? No early intervention. The medical personnel treating Cv patients were told that it was not proper protocol to administer any drugs in the early stages in order for the virus to be halted before life threatening complications began.

Well off label uses of drugs do need CDC and FDA approval. And all the drugs known to be effective have to be administered 48-72 hours after infected to have good results. Nearly all people do not show symptoms until 5 or more days. And hydro chloroquine, ivermectin and remdesivir do not prevent, they just eve symptoms.

What other Vaxx do you know of that required several boosters within a couple of months? This is proof that the vaxx doesn't work....or that what is given is not actually a true v@xx!nat!on. It is an untested drug and those who lined up to be j@bbed are the guinea pigs.

Well once again this is not a true vaccine (though it is called so) but technically a prophylaxis. It was only researched and went through limited human trials (pfizer with under 100,000 people). Yes it was rushed out as soon as they found an effectiveness.

But now let us do this!

You are in charge. the novel Corona virus-19 has hit your nation. It has been proven to be highly virulent, highly transmissible and the body count is beginning to pile up! Off uses of several medications also have not been tested against covid, and their utility is only for easing sympotms if not caught within 72 hours. You tell the pharma companies to go to work and you will cut teh reds tape, because all that is known about this disease is that it could be as deadly as the 1918 spanish flu.

Are you going to wait the normal 8-10 years a drug takes to get to market? Or roll it out ASAP knowing it has not been as thouorgholy tested as normal? Do you just let this virus keep killing people when you know the drug companies can create a preventative where the benefits far outweigh the risks?

what is your answer? what do you do? Nothing? Wait? or what. I await your response.

YOu h ave complained alot here, but I have not seen one solution to deal with covid-19 yet.
 

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Obviously you have not investigated this properly. Spike proteins DESTROY immune systems. They do NOT build immunity. As a result a cruise ship with 100% vaccinated passengers and crew experienced COVID infections recently.

COVID Outbreak On US Cruise Ship Despite Fully Vaxxed Passengers
COVID Outbreak On US Cruise Ship Despite Fully Vaxxed Passengers | ZeroHedge

The article suggests that this is because the effectiveness of the vaccines is "waning". Which is total nonsense since there was no effectiveness to begin with. It is because the immune systems are being destroyed that people have become more susceptible and have even been hospitalized.

The article does not say what test was used to determine COVID infection, but if it was the failed RT-PCR test at high CT values, then even that could be a problem.
I think God gave us an immune system already...and who can beat that one! I agree Enoch. They (govt's.) don't love or even like us small folk, but still the regular Joes and Janes trust them. And, in this day and age that is crazy IMO, "TRUST NO MAN"! They know how to dupe the masses out there....and they are winning too. :(
 
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Blah blah blah and yet you still keep promoting the plan of the evil one...

You are one real piece of ill work...

Supporting human sacrifice
Supporting forced needles
Supporting discrimination

And don't try and deny it. The fact that you are still blabbing on is clear evidence that you either support or don't care about such things

You only support the evil ones agenda

And you are now on ignore! Spread your lies to those willing to believe them. You are now accountable to teh Lord for your evil.

YOu provide no evidence just vapid accusations! This is how Satan works!.