There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between medications and experimental, lethal, toxic, and harmful injections THAT DO NOT PRODUCE any immunity. When is this going to register in your noggin'?
Vaccine Adverse Effects
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How did this comment enter into a discussion about bogus vaccines when the real effective drugs were banned, denigrated, sabotaged, and attacked daily by the medical establishment? Doctors have been fired recently for using ivermectin.
Report: FDA Colludes with US Postal Service to Destroy Ivermectin Shipments
FDA letters show inbound shipments of ivermectin intercepted at international port of entry.
"Meanwhile, the FDA has continued it’s fear-mongering campaign advising Americans not to consume the “horse dewormer” drug to treat Covid, as it has not been formally approved."
Report: FDA Colludes with US Postal Service to Destroy Ivermectin Shipments
FDA, CDC, NIH, NIAID, WHO, hospitals throughout the West, etc. all want people to die rather than recover. This is medical murder. Who is going to arrest the murdering criminals?
Cristo Rei
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Hey u never got back to me about that...
Can I build sofas from carcinogenic materials?
Cristo Rei
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With holding treatments in order to promote their syringes...
It's disgraceful, criminal and evil.
Ronald Nolette
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And you are refusing to recognize that the different shots have been widely broadcast as 80-95% effective.
Then no medicines should be advertised as safe as they are. All have side effects, some worse than others. The covid shot in light of the number of shots vs. adverse effects (minor to fatal) has shown to be over 99% safe- that is right there with the super majority of prescription meds. So you should scream about calling all meds unsafe.
We have had massive media speaking of potential side effects. And before you get the shot you have to sign a paper that shows potentiial side effects. That meets all the criteria of informed consent if one gets the shot.
and I agree no one should be coerced into getting the shot.
If you want to drone on about coercion and mandates- start a new thread. I have agreed with you on this ad-nauseum.
As a shot has no package you receive- you get a paper listing potential side effects. If you don't read it that is not the mfrs. problem but yours
Human sacrifice? Really?? I want the evidence that pfizer, moderna, hospitals and drug stores are practicing in tentional human sacrifice.
Well I live in the real world. I am saddened when someone gets hurt by meds. I also get hurt when someone dies from a very virulent disease that has reached pandemic level.
To you I may look heartless. why haven't you started a thread about lung cancer? Don't you carewe at all that 250,000 people a year die from lung cancer.
Now you are simply lying about informed consent. You need to show evidence that people are being given shots without signing off on them or never heard from every single media outlet that the shots do have side effects. You need to get off your high horse.
It seems you don't care that more people are now dying that haven't taken the shot than people who have.
show me where in any constitution in the US that you have a right to choose. but see you do have a right to choose whether to get a shot or not. IN some states and employers, if you opt for that right, the state or employer also has the right to terminate you. so the talk about rights is just a straw man! I don't believe in teh mandates and coercion, but an employer has a compelling right to insure he makes as safe a work enviornment as is reasonable. Medical science whether you agree or not, says that getting the shots provides a far greater chance of not contracting the virus or if contracted having far less severe symptoms.
Sorry but all that is constitutional.
And how many of these issues have been conclusively tied to the vaccine. As of yesterday oinly 6 cases of myocarditis have been found in America due to the J& J shot- You seem to know 1/3 of them.
Once again I can give you not anecdotal but empirical evidence that shows every year people die from taking aspirin and tylenol. should we call them unsafew?
And please do not shovel that no informed consent lie anymore because it is a lie!
and intentionally lying about what concersn or doesn't concern me makes you look prepubescent.
Ronald Nolette
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So of the 300 million + shots given- no one develop-ed any immunity?
so even though I have a mistrust of them, I do not believe the CDC, NIH, USAMRIID, and the loathsome WHO would give approval to something that is lethal and toxic in general.
Once approved it stopped being experimental, unless you have a better degree than all teh doctors involved ( unless of course you believe a grand conspiracy is going on)
As lethal and toxic both mean fatal let us look. let us take the high you tube reported number of 45,000 deaths in america from the shots
So 320,000,000 shots and 45,000 deaths produces a lethality rate of .00014% per shot given. Or a non lethality rate of 99.99986%. Now any death is sad, but when you look at the overall .
Now let us look at the covid death as a % of the ewhole US population.
330,000,000 citizens and 800,000 reported deaths. Produces a lethality rate of of.00424 or a non lethality rate of 99.99575% So we have nearly double the chance with a shot.
so let me ask you however. Which do you prefer given th e current choices:
Wait the normal 8-10 years for trhe shots to get to market and increase the 800,000 deaths by maybe a multiple of 5 (4,000,000 in 10 years)
Or get a tested and trialed medication (though not as fully as normal) to market that has shown a high level of effectiveness.
Now I wish all things would be perfect and we all lived on candy cane lane, but this is the real world and we are dealing with a virus that has mutated 4 times, killed over 4,500,000 in 20 months, crippled millions more.
so what say you- wait th enormal 8-10 years and take a real risk of multiple more deaths or after limited trials and experimentation that has shown effectiveness to 95% get it to market and deal with issues as they arise.
Right now the highest level of side effectgs experienced is 450,000 in the US and the majority of those are th eminor effects, like rash, pain at injection, or minor flu like sypmptoms.
That is correct. Spike proteins do NOT create immunity but actually damage the immune system. Here's a study published by NCBI (National Center for Biotechnology Information) associated with NIH.
SARS–CoV–2 Spike Impairs DNA Damage Repair and Inhibits V(D)J Recombination In Vitro
SARS–CoV–2 Spike Impairs DNA Damage Repair and Inhibits V(D)J Recombination In Vitro
That is exactly why fully vaccinated people have been hospitalized and even died. Not to mention all the extremely serious adverse effects. Why do you think so many young, healthy, strong, vaccinated athletes and sportsmen are dropping dead?
"All over America, and all over the world, cardiac arrest, heart inflammation, and heart attack deaths are exploding. Young athletes are dropping right on the field; star soccer players in Europe are dropping dead in the middle of games; referees, coaches and even fans in the stands are having cardiac emergencies. It’s something no one has ever seen before. It’s an epidemic. What do all these victims have in common? They’ve all been vaccinated."
If the Vaxxes Are So Great, Why are So Many People Dropping Dead? | Principia Scientific Intl.
Ronald Nolette
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I wish you had bothered to read the article you cited like I did. Then you would have realized they are reporting on the covid virus spike proteins itself and not the synthesized impotent spike protein the shots use! The shots do not use live spik eproteins but sterile spike proteins that disappear after two weeks after antibodies have developed and removed the faux-proteins. Just like todays flus shots!
Coouldn't click to teh "vaxxes so great " you posted, but I di ddo a little digfging. anmd guess what? These folks are wrong again!
the pfizer shot, marketed under the name conaminity was fully approved for use of people over 18 on august 17, 2021.
And for your article in red? It says nothing much.
How many star soccer players in Europe> How many cardiac arrests,, heart inflammation (myocarditis). How many coaches, fans and referees are having cardiac emergencies? How many had a pre-existing condition? How many had cellular testing to prove that the shot was the main culprit and not simply something that helped aggravate already ongoing problems?
I want to know how many is the number for the "so many young strong healthy vaccinated athletes and sportsmen are dropping dead" as a direct result shown by medical forensics of the shot?
And before you get on your soap box, I would love to see no deaths from a medicine approved by the FDA, but in the real world that is a fantasy and not reality.
Even the polio vaccine has reported severe side effects.
According to the CDEC on average, 60 people a year die from flu shots! Should we end them as well? After every year they have to start from almost scratch to get a flu shot based on which influenza virus is active in a yeaR.
Here's why: (LifeSiteNews) — A Business Insider analysis has shown that at least 75 federal legislators held stock in Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, or Pfizer in 2020. The three companies are responsible for producing the experimental COVID-19 injections. Meanwhile, the paper trail shows Big Pharma corporations shelled out millions of dollars to finance electoral campaigns and lobby the federal government.
Do you see the conflicts of interest? And that has been true from day one. Everyone involved in this Scamdemic has a conflict of interest, and the losers are the gullibles who believe everything coming from "on high".
Makes no difference. And those spike proteins are definitely not impotent. The issue that you need to face as a Christian is that you are actually supporting and promoting Satan's agenda. Which makes you a partaker of his evil deeds.
Top Cardiologist: Game-Changing Study Shows COVID Vaccines Are More Dangerous Than Virus Itself
Published more than 650 times in medical journals, editor of a cardiology journal, author of a cardiology textbook, as well as being an internist and qualified in public health, McCullough is critical of government response to the COVID pandemic.
McCullough cited a preprint study posted in September at clinicalnews.org, that, while not yet peer-reviewed, supported his observations regarding vaccinated teens. It noted “a 4-fold increased risk of postvaccination myocarditis in those who had previously been infected” with COVID.
Top Cardiologist: Game-Changing Study Shows COVID Vaccines Are More Dangerous Than Virus Itself
Published more than 650 times in medical journals, editor of a cardiology journal, author of a cardiology textbook, as well as being an internist and qualified in public health, McCullough is critical of government response to the COVID pandemic.
McCullough cited a preprint study posted in September at clinicalnews.org, that, while not yet peer-reviewed, supported his observations regarding vaccinated teens. It noted “a 4-fold increased risk of postvaccination myocarditis in those who had previously been infected” with COVID.
Top Cardiologist: Game-Changing Study Shows COVID Vaccines Are More Dangerous Than Virus Itself
What should we truly do if one of us gets Covid to help save another, We have to get that information out for people who do not trust the Governments nonsense. So in every State we need to be able to help best all fellows of our own plight. We do not trust this world, because we know better than to trust or have faith in such as it's delusions and deceptions.Very true my friend but people will keep on advocating for such...
There are several drugs that can be used to treat covid.
Hydroxicriquine was made famous when Trump said he was taking it. The result was total vilification of the drug. Banned in many places
Ivermectin is the one that Craig Kelly got sacked for talking about. Banned here after they noticed it was getting used to treat covid.
And there are others. A question worth asking your doctor is this...
How will you treat me if I get covid?
Right answer is medication
Wrong answer is to be sent home without medication, you get worse and sent to hospital, they put you on Faucis drug Remdesivir, then sedated and onto a ventilator for a quite death...
It's the protocol that has murdere people,according to many experts, not covid
Cristo Rei
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Down here in Tas the mood has changed overnight. They opened their borders yesterday. The hysteria and panic is unreal... Most Tasmanians want the borders to remain closed, they are so afraid... People are now walking around with masks... Screens have been put up at cash registers. At work we have to now sign in... Everyone uses that stupid QR code app except for me, I sign in using pen and paper, I refuse to download such tracking apps
Bobby Jo
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Hey CR,
Some people have used a "Sharpie" to add an additional "dot" to the QR sheet. -- It screws everything up!
WVBR,
Bobby Jo & ELAM
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Ronald Nolette
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Well we have not been talking about conflicts of interest or lobbying or any of that at all. If you want start a new thrread and we can discuss this which is not related to the shot itself. This is the politics surrounding the shot and not the shot and the covid virus. Different topic than what we are discussing.
Ronald Nolette
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show me in the bible were getting a shot in my arm to help prevent a disease is supporting Satans agenda. Show me how the covid-19 shot from any of the compasnies of the world is part and parcel of Satans agenda! YOU huff and puff loude making accusations against your brethren- Now how about backing it up with facts, bible and empirical evidence.
And yes the spike protein in the mRNA protocols is impotent. You need to read more..
Ronald Nolette
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Well from the CDC and NIH web sites themselves, they report only less than 2,500 cases of myocarditis and myopericarditis that may be related to the vaccine alone.
CDC Awardee COVID-19 Vaccination Planning Meeting
They cite wildly disproven claims (like 45,000 shot deaths) and 117 kids from the shot killed for every covid case.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_A._McCullough
to date there are still only 6 known and proven deaths due to myocarditis in teens due to the shot.
While your Dr. McCullopugh has a rather illustrious past, His bouncing from place to place to place is troublesome. Not one of these is rated as a top-notch cardio hospital. also, He was let go from Baylor for intentionally disseminating false info about the covid virus and vaccine!
also none of his multiple jobs was as a clinical researcher in virology, immunology or cardiac microbiology. He has an unstable work record from a medical perspective and proven false on many of his assumptions.
We can keep dancing here on and on. I am against forced shots, I am against coercing people or shaming people to get shots.
States, towns and employers can constitutionally mandate shots whether one likes it or not. People do not have to take a shot- but they may face termination from a job as a result of their choice.
But let me approach this another way-
We know there are adverse side effects, they are well published.
We know that the shots are anywhere from 75-90ffective. that is well advertised.
We know that everyone has to sign a disclaimer that lists potential side effects and they approve of getting the shot. that is law.
We know that prophylactic treatments have limited benefit for ambulatory covid patinets and some have been proven to be near ineffective.
Now you are greatat whining and moaning and have added accusing your brethren of cooperating with satan about this virus. America since Feb. of 2020 has averaged near 1,200/day due to covid. We now stand at over 801,000 deaths and 50, 347,000 cases of infection.
Now you hate this virus and have accused me of cooperating with Satans agenda because I took a shot and do not condemen anyone who wants one, so now I ask you and ask for a direct answer:
YOU HAVE THE BALL. IT IS NOW IN YOUR CONTROL. WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO STEM THE TIDE OF A VERY VIRULENT AND TRANSMISSABLE DISEASE THAT IS KILLING NEAR 1,200 CITIZENS DAILY HASKEPT OUR ICU AND EMERGENCY ROOMS PACKED, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS ON RESPIRATRORS. WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER? YOU HATE THE CURRENT SOLUTION BECAUSE IT HAS GREATER RISK THAN MOST MEDICINES- SO WHAT DO YOU DO? JUST LET 1,200 PEOPLE A DAY KEEP DYING?
Columbia study: True U.S. COVID vaccine death count is 400,000
Other estimates of underreporting on CDC's VAERS site much higher
The Columbia researchers method of estimating underreporting was to use the regional variation in vaccination rates to predict all-cause mortality and non-COVID deaths in subsequent time periods, based on two independent, publicly available datasets from the U.S. and Europe.
They found that more than six weeks after injection, vaccination had a negative correlation with mortality. But within five weeks of injection, vaccination predicted all-cause mortality in nearly every age group, with an "age-related temporal pattern consistent with the U.S. vaccine rollout."
Comparing the study's estimated vaccine fatality rate with the CDC-reported rate, the researchers concluded VAERS deaths are underreported by a factor of 20, which is "consistent with known VAERS under-ascertainment bias."
Columbia study: True U.S. COVID vaccine death count is 400,000
There have been two major frauds being committed by the CDC since January 2020: (1)Wuhan virus deaths were OVER-REPORTED by a factor of 16 and (2) vaccine deaths were UNDER-REPORTED by a factor of 20.
Other estimates of underreporting on CDC's VAERS site much higher
The Columbia researchers method of estimating underreporting was to use the regional variation in vaccination rates to predict all-cause mortality and non-COVID deaths in subsequent time periods, based on two independent, publicly available datasets from the U.S. and Europe.
They found that more than six weeks after injection, vaccination had a negative correlation with mortality. But within five weeks of injection, vaccination predicted all-cause mortality in nearly every age group, with an "age-related temporal pattern consistent with the U.S. vaccine rollout."
Comparing the study's estimated vaccine fatality rate with the CDC-reported rate, the researchers concluded VAERS deaths are underreported by a factor of 20, which is "consistent with known VAERS under-ascertainment bias."
Columbia study: True U.S. COVID vaccine death count is 400,000
There have been two major frauds being committed by the CDC since January 2020: (1)Wuhan virus deaths were OVER-REPORTED by a factor of 16 and (2) vaccine deaths were UNDER-REPORTED by a factor of 20.
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