Universalism is a dangerous doctrine
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Hello @Zachariah,
I could see that as something that is a problem. It's amazing how much is really taught in a church in general. Half of the time it is nothing of substance.
I could see that as something that is a problem. It's amazing how much is really taught in a church in general. Half of the time it is nothing of substance.
Behold
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You as a person who believes that everyone is going to heaven......... and is a confirmed Preterist, who does not Believe that Satan is around to harm anyone, and that Hell does not exist.
You are certainly the pot calling the kettle "black"., when you try to prove that "mainline theology" is "suspect".
Hello @Behold,
Yes. I do believe that everyone goes to the heavenly realm after death, but not everyone enters into the Kingdom of Heaven. I also believe that hell has been taken care off as the bible states. I also believe that Satan has been taken care of as the bible states, darkness still is something people love more than the light. I hope this helps you to better inform people of what I do believe, sir.
Yes. I do believe that everyone goes to the heavenly realm after death, but not everyone enters into the Kingdom of Heaven. I also believe that hell has been taken care off as the bible states. I also believe that Satan has been taken care of as the bible states, darkness still is something people love more than the light. I hope this helps you to better inform people of what I do believe, sir.
Behold
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Unbelievers, never born again, are not in the "Heavenly Realm" unless Hell is in Heaven.
Maybe you think it is, as you have a lot of odd concepts., we've noted.
Jesus didnt state that Hell is "taken care of".. He stated that a person will "die in your sins" and go there, unless they become a BELIEVER.... and He stated that its better to tear out your own eye and cut off your own hand, then to go there..
Paul said that "Satan hindered us"....
Paul said that "Satan sent a messenger to Him, to cause Him ISSUES">.
Paul arrived.... = after Jesus was back in Heaven.
Paul wrote to the CHURCH, that you are to "Put on the whole armor of God" to "stand against the plans that the Devil has for you"..
You dont believe this, and Satan is so happy that you dont.
He loves what you believe., as He created it.
Hello @Behold,
Just because you believe that Revelation has not happened, doesn't stop them from being true or that they are not part of the bible, concerning Hell and Satan being done away with. Just because you do not believe they are true, doesn't make them any less stated.
Behold
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You are ONLY using the Cult Theology (Preterism) to try to prove what you believe.
"well according to Preterism, i believe it like this.....>>"""
Not good.
Christ is not a Preterist.
God is not a Preterist.
Paul is not a Preterist.
THe Holy Spirit does not teach Preterism...
Hello @Behold,
The Revelation was a message from the Lord Jesus Christ given by God. You can try to say whatever you desire that will not change my mind on what I believe. You write about the "Church," from what I understand I was not part of that church back in the day, which was the bride. Many people assume the bible is going to have a galactic ending, where the world literally ends, and things of that nature. My mindset and belief is far away from this. Just because you can single out my belief having my faith reside in the Lord Jesus Christ having came back faithfully when he did to rescue those people of that day, is just simply a cheap shot at trying to get me to say "I am wrong, or that I need to change my position." You've found it difficult in any setting where I have really changed my mind in the past 4 years of us talking about it. Therefore you can continue to say "Matthew is wrong, he is person who believes these things occurred in the past!" That is totally fine sir. You do what you need to, but I am being authentic when I state what I do believe and what I do find in scripture, opposed to these things which you assert be them true, or be them untrue.
The Revelation was a message from the Lord Jesus Christ given by God. You can try to say whatever you desire that will not change my mind on what I believe. You write about the "Church," from what I understand I was not part of that church back in the day, which was the bride. Many people assume the bible is going to have a galactic ending, where the world literally ends, and things of that nature. My mindset and belief is far away from this. Just because you can single out my belief having my faith reside in the Lord Jesus Christ having came back faithfully when he did to rescue those people of that day, is just simply a cheap shot at trying to get me to say "I am wrong, or that I need to change my position." You've found it difficult in any setting where I have really changed my mind in the past 4 years of us talking about it. Therefore you can continue to say "Matthew is wrong, he is person who believes these things occurred in the past!" That is totally fine sir. You do what you need to, but I am being authentic when I state what I do believe and what I do find in scripture, opposed to these things which you assert be them true, or be them untrue.
amigo de christo
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by our faith IN HIM we overcome . you people have no idea the wrath you heap upon yourself .
Satan WANTS YOU and everyone else to be destroyed by the second death as he will too one day .
KEEP on trying to find a universalism
as for me , I KNOW WHO TO POINT EVERYONE TOO . WITH THE WORD
BELEIVE YE IN HIM . That be JESUS THE CHRIST .
Ritajanice
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Marvelloustime
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Hello @Marvelloustime,
Paul expressed that even the Gospel had reached everyone in the world, in his day in time. Thank you for sharing your bible quotes, as it is true that learning, growing, and being taught what the scriptures actually say have an effective value if used properly.
Paul expressed that even the Gospel had reached everyone in the world, in his day in time. Thank you for sharing your bible quotes, as it is true that learning, growing, and being taught what the scriptures actually say have an effective value if used properly.
amigo de christo
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They had preached the gospel . PAUL never said EVERYONE believed it . You will pay a dear price
for what you have preached mathew . UNLESS , and i do pray for you that you do , YOU REPENT
and start actuallly reminding all of the DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST
rather than going around and always trying to preach some form of universalism .
PREACH JESUS or prepare to reap the whirlwind of destruction of the wind of vainity ye have sowed to others .
ITS NOT HARD mathew . ITS EASY . Go on , give it a try . START rather simply PREACHING and REMINDING all
of the DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE rather than trying to water down the severitiy of GOD which cometh upon all
who FAILED TO BELEIVE ON CHRIST .
Men like you constantly put me on ignore . AND for what . SHOW ME MY SIN , SHOW ME WHERE I LIE
when i say ALL WHO BELIEVE NOT JESUS IS THE CHRIST will be damned .
that all unbelievers will have their part in the lake of fire . AND FRIEND you better stop adding too or taking
from the words written in the book of revelation .
IT never says they get out of the lake of fire . Rather than trying to give man false hope
START PREACHING THE ONLY HOPE MAN HAS , that is TO BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST . pick up THAT GOSPEL .
Hello @amigo de christo
Paul couldn't have been wrong that it was preached to the whole world he knew at the time. That would be too much of a stretch for some. Believing or not, it wouldn't matter. It reached the whole world.
Colossians 1:5 the faith and love that spring from the hope stored up for you in heaven and about which you have already heard in the true message of the gospel 6 that has come to you. In the same way, the gospel is bearing fruit and growing throughout the whole world—just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and truly understood God’s grace.
Paul couldn't have been wrong that it was preached to the whole world he knew at the time. That would be too much of a stretch for some. Believing or not, it wouldn't matter. It reached the whole world.
Colossians 1:5 the faith and love that spring from the hope stored up for you in heaven and about which you have already heard in the true message of the gospel 6 that has come to you. In the same way, the gospel is bearing fruit and growing throughout the whole world—just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and truly understood God’s grace.
Universalism ? if it's of in regards to a Mans works is not worthy of God in fact.
But Universal in regards God is another thing in fact ! as all on earth will one day become abiding in Christ Jesus and that is Universal.
So no Tribe or Nation is worthy, so as not to be outside of Christ Jesus in fact !
Christ Jesus is the King of Kings ! Lord of Lords in fact. No one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son !
Christ Jesus Saves one's Soul, who is worthy of him on the spot ! you do not wait to die to get Saved !
Hello @Reggie Belafonte,
While I believe Yahavah, will give his holy spirit to people who may not even exactly know Jesus Christ, I do believe it is a tied in factor concerning "Faith" itself. Faith is what please Yahavah, and he rewards those who diligently seek after him; those who have read the bible know that Yeshua stated "Those who worship my Father will worship him in spirit and in truth, for he seeks for them to do so." While there are many religious organizations out there, and they may be sharing the truth, they may be sharing a slice of the cake and not the view virtue. Anyone and everyone is and has the ability to reach out to God because of what Yeshua had done for the whole world. Whether the know anything about him or even everything mentioned concerning him. I do believe there are people in the Muslim Religion, or Hindu Religion, etc... who are in those positions which only Yahavah would know whom would truly seek after him, and that is the thing about it all. Faith in Faith that Yahavah / or God exists in general period and having a relationship with him. The other hand is, Faith in non-faith, and believing that there is no God, there is no holy spirit, etc....
There most certainly is a separation factor, whether people realize it or not but no one is barred from having access to Yahavah at all (though the destination seems to be residing outside of the gates of the Heavenly Kingdom), and even when it comes to the end of life those who are true seekers and true worshipers, will find out how the Word of God helped them and be acquainted with the Lord Yeshua in the afterlife I do believe. It sounds paradoxical, it sound darn right and outrageous to some of the more religious groups of people who are heavily religious, but the Spirit is what is important and having that active, relationship with the LORD GOD.
Works, are works of love, done by the Lord Yeshua, in and through us. Even the Holy Spirit in and through others, even if they don't exactly know it, and of course for the follower of Yeshua; it is the Lord Yeshua in and through us which he gets the credit; as it is never us whom do the good even though people can do good things, it most certainly is a difference between earthly wisdom, and heavenly wisdom.
While I believe Yahavah, will give his holy spirit to people who may not even exactly know Jesus Christ, I do believe it is a tied in factor concerning "Faith" itself. Faith is what please Yahavah, and he rewards those who diligently seek after him; those who have read the bible know that Yeshua stated "Those who worship my Father will worship him in spirit and in truth, for he seeks for them to do so." While there are many religious organizations out there, and they may be sharing the truth, they may be sharing a slice of the cake and not the view virtue. Anyone and everyone is and has the ability to reach out to God because of what Yeshua had done for the whole world. Whether the know anything about him or even everything mentioned concerning him. I do believe there are people in the Muslim Religion, or Hindu Religion, etc... who are in those positions which only Yahavah would know whom would truly seek after him, and that is the thing about it all. Faith in Faith that Yahavah / or God exists in general period and having a relationship with him. The other hand is, Faith in non-faith, and believing that there is no God, there is no holy spirit, etc....
There most certainly is a separation factor, whether people realize it or not but no one is barred from having access to Yahavah at all (though the destination seems to be residing outside of the gates of the Heavenly Kingdom), and even when it comes to the end of life those who are true seekers and true worshipers, will find out how the Word of God helped them and be acquainted with the Lord Yeshua in the afterlife I do believe. It sounds paradoxical, it sound darn right and outrageous to some of the more religious groups of people who are heavily religious, but the Spirit is what is important and having that active, relationship with the LORD GOD.
Works, are works of love, done by the Lord Yeshua, in and through us. Even the Holy Spirit in and through others, even if they don't exactly know it, and of course for the follower of Yeshua; it is the Lord Yeshua in and through us which he gets the credit; as it is never us whom do the good even though people can do good things, it most certainly is a difference between earthly wisdom, and heavenly wisdom.
As with the Jews of the OT were led by God.
That was the key to the comming of Christ Jesus, some of the Jews got on board with fait in Jesus that he was the one ? but it was not until Jesus went to Heaven that they were truly born again of the Holy Spirit in fact.
Religion does not save ones Soul in fact, but it is a road that one must take in the hope that one will become truly Born Again !
Sure i had great faith in Jesus before i became born again, but i did not have 100% faith in Jesus, maybe 99% but that doubt was because i did not truly know who he truly was, until he showed up to me ? and bingo ! I knew that he was my Lord and Saviour for a fact and i was taken out of this world to the Kingdom of God ! For this world that is full of deceptions and delusions was exposed, so i came out from them !
So by the Church denominations I have no regard for them, for that is Christ Jesus that I need in my life.
The Real Church is The Body of Christ Jesus, for they look to him only !
Muslisms etc are of this world in fact as they are of this world Period ! sure they can come some way of understanding God but they have no Door to the Father at all in fact ! It's just Mans works they truly are under, for they think it's they who build ? they are building on Sand ! So is the majority of Christians for they are not worthy of Christ Jesus ! because they are not truly Saved ! I know such for i was like them once, so i understand where they are at !
So they are an abomination to God in fact ! for they work to undermine Christ Jesus in fact, for they do not know what they do in fact ! but some are outright Evil within denominations as we seen with Priest who sodomise Children in fact just as we can see within society that Sodomites rull the School system tampering with Childrens minds that is kin to Hitler's Nazis brainwashing tec in creating monsters out of children for an ends of outright Evil in fact, but did they understand the Game that was being played on them ? No ! Nor do the majority nowadays understand the nature of what is taking place with school children or socierty today ! for they come under the banner Political Correct in fact as this is their God that they Idolise in fact !
Hey hang on Nazis and Communist key to their Power was Political Correctness in fact for without this as the Key they can not dominate over the People.
Hang on Socialism is based on Political Correct gods as well that morons Idolise in fact !
I would not say that God is Love ? as that can be miss understood ? God is like a Father that incorages ones growth and direction, but he will give us a back hander if we stray, the OT shows that in it's History, when the Jews thought they were smart enough to turn their backs on God. the poor bastards came a gutsa ! it was their own fault as they went off the rails !
Jeuse talked to the Devil himself and was offered the whole world ? but Jesus exposed the Devil for what it truly only was in fact, so the Devil had no power over Jesus ! for Jesus is Salvation it's self in fact !
When one truly has Salvation then you are Saved ! that is Grace ! it's beyound this world in fact ! they of this world do not have such, for they are Slaves to deceptions and delusions in fact.
Jesus was not a Slave he was King of Kings and Lord of Lords ! No one undermines Christ Jesus ! not even the Devil himself in fact !
When one is truly Saved then one has the Keys not to be lead by this world for one is not a Slave to it.
Religious people have a spirit and there are Spirits ? but the Holy Spirit is where it's all at ! many Religious only have a spirit sadly. their are evil spirits and ones that lead one astray in fact ! that is obvious, look at Hitler, Starlin, Zelenskyy to be sure they are cunning. but you will know them by their works, they kill people for no good reason truly but for regards dominating their power, that's the god spirit Idol they truly serve.
The Pope is on the same path as you put forward because he is clearly not Saved in fact. he thinks they are his brothers in God ? They would turn as them Jews turned on Jesus back in the day in a heart beat !
Hello @Reggie Belafonte,
I’m thankful that Yeshua has taken care of the sin. What people do is on themselves; it’s just as it was stated in the Bible somewhere. “God is not mocked and people reap what they sow.” Be it of this life by the flesh or sowing to spirit which accounts in the afterlife through building up spiritual treasures.
I’m thankful that Yeshua has taken care of the sin. What people do is on themselves; it’s just as it was stated in the Bible somewhere. “God is not mocked and people reap what they sow.” Be it of this life by the flesh or sowing to spirit which accounts in the afterlife through building up spiritual treasures.
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