Eternally Grateful
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Actually NOSAS is closer to universalism. Because anyone can work enough to make themselves believe they are saved..
Universalism is a dangerous doctrine
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Behold
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1.) Lets say you are not a Christian.
You're not born again.. You've never Trusted IN Christ... You never cared.........and you still dont.
Then, someone who teaches UNIVERSALISM............tells you...>>"You're saved... You're a Christian......Everyone Is".
So, Reader..... what has just happened to the unbeliever?
= .) > They remain an unbeliever, ...not born again.......falsely believing they are going to Heaven.
So, this means they are going to HELL,.. John 3:36..... believing they are not,.......... because a Universalist, has just sent them there.
2.) Universalism, is Satanic, as it completely eliminates "FAITH", and "Justification by Faith".. that God requires of the BELIEVER.
UNIVERSALISM denies that Jesus said "YOU must be born again".. .by lying this lie... = "you already are"... "= everyone is saved".
Universalism .. this Lie of the Devil.... is literally teaching that the Born again and the Christ Rejector, are THE SAME.
Universalism says that Jesus is a LIAR.. .. when Jesus said...= "unless you believe in me, you shall die in your sins"..
Universalism teaches that the Christ Rejector and the CHRISTian... are Both Saved... are .Both are going to Heaven.
That is a Satanic Lie. It is a "DOCTRINE OF DEVILS"..... designed to send people to Hell.
A.) Do not trust people who teach this (Universalism) = Satanic Lie.. Do not believe their Lies.
You're not born again.. You've never Trusted IN Christ... You never cared.........and you still dont.
Then, someone who teaches UNIVERSALISM............tells you...>>"You're saved... You're a Christian......Everyone Is".
So, Reader..... what has just happened to the unbeliever?
= .) > They remain an unbeliever, ...not born again.......falsely believing they are going to Heaven.
So, this means they are going to HELL,.. John 3:36..... believing they are not,.......... because a Universalist, has just sent them there.
2.) Universalism, is Satanic, as it completely eliminates "FAITH", and "Justification by Faith".. that God requires of the BELIEVER.
UNIVERSALISM denies that Jesus said "YOU must be born again".. .by lying this lie... = "you already are"... "= everyone is saved".
Universalism .. this Lie of the Devil.... is literally teaching that the Born again and the Christ Rejector, are THE SAME.
Universalism says that Jesus is a LIAR.. .. when Jesus said...= "unless you believe in me, you shall die in your sins"..
Universalism teaches that the Christ Rejector and the CHRISTian... are Both Saved... are .Both are going to Heaven.
That is a Satanic Lie. It is a "DOCTRINE OF DEVILS"..... designed to send people to Hell.
A.) Do not trust people who teach this (Universalism) = Satanic Lie.. Do not believe their Lies.
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I'm not sure where you would place me.
I know that those whose names are not written in the Lamb's book of life will end up in the lake of fire with Satan and his angels.
Yet I know that all of these beings will repent like I have and will receive forgivness of their sins by the blood of the Lamb. Then we will all serve our Creator forever without end.
Those who are thrown into the lake of fire will miss out on serving under the global King/Lamb of God of 1000 years. During this period they will spend time separated from us, weeping and gnashing their teeth.
But at some time after the reign of the King of kings they will finally repent. Yes, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus the Lamb is their Lord, Redeemer and Friend.
Behold
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Christ didnt die on The Cross in Eternity.
Christ didnt die on The Cross in Hell.
See those 2?
You can't become a Christian there...
Christ died on The Cross, on EARTH, so you have to Trust in Christ.......while you are alive and breathing.
Look at this verse...
John 3:36
John 3:36
John 3:36
John 3:36
That is NOW.........right now.........That is ON every unbeliever..
Jesus said......"All that Believe in Me.. i give unto you Eternal Life, and you shall never go to Hell (Perish)."
That means you WILL go to Hell, if you dont put your faith in Christ, while you are alive.
Listen,..... Preachers, preach NOW.........not after they die.
We receive Christ NOW.........as the verse says.. "NOW is the accepted time.. NOW is the day of Salvation".
See, if you believe that you can do it once this finds you.......Hebrews 9:27... Then you died without Christ, unforgiven, and there is no forgiveness found, after Death.
It has to be given to the BELIEVER .. while they are alive.
"Universalism" is a LIe... Its just one more of Satan's theologies that tries to get the person to believe a LIE, so that they die, never having been born again.......because they never did this.. while they were alive... = """ALL who believe in Jesus,.. shall be saved".
Jesus said......."You MUST be born again".......and that has to happen on earth.
No one can be be forgiven their sin in Hell.
No one can be born again, in Hell.
amigo de christo
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they will holler at you , YOU JUDGER , monster , hater .
But its not you who judges
ITS THEY WHO JUDGE and worse THEY JUDGE GOD who GAVE US THEM REMINDERS .
they wont like my response but TRUE IT IS friend .
THEY JUDGE JESUS , THEY JUDGE HIM . IT was HE who warned with that reminder that you just gave them .
THEY JUDGE CHRIST , THEY JUDGE GOD and yet accuse us who warn and remind WITH HIS OWN WORDS
as though WE JUDGE folks . Just a friendly reminder .
Eternally Grateful
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This is dangerous thinking. Hopefully, as you said you repented. You are ok. But if a person dies, they do not get a second chance. Yes they will bow. Yes they will proclaim jesus. But jesus will say depart from me for I never knew you
amigo de christo
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That is why THE GOD AND HIS CHRIST does warn for those who still dwell in the land of the living TO REPENT and believe on
CHRIST JESUS .
Surely sayeth another voice , ye shall have a second chance , ye shall . But i never seen that once get said in the bible .
It says THOSE who loved a lie , etc DEPART to the lake of fire , FROM WHENCE i never once seen it get said
THEY GET OUT OF THAT and get to again enter into heaven . I AINT seen it .
What i have seen is HE who adds to or takes from the words of THIS BOOK , will recieve the plagues and etc written in this book .
One thing i have seen RISE UP HUGE in this last generation
is the idea that somehow its just gonna be okay or work out okay , TO and even for those who DID NOT BELIEVE JESUS TO
BE CHRIST . rather odd , I SURE DIDNT seem to SEE JESUS imply ANYTHING of the sort
let alone did the apostels . THEY sure seemed to see things WAY DIFFERENT than this generation does .
Lets ponder on that for a bit . WHY do so many want and desire to believe in some
kind of hope , and yet that hope WAS NEVER ONCE MENTIONED in the bible .
RATHER than preaching THE HOPE that was mentioned , cause i KNOW those who DO BELIEVE will not be damned ,
MANY seem to want to beleive an idea that aNO MATTER what one believed , WELL IN THE END all will be okay .
I SURE didnt seem to see that mindset in CHRIST at all .
amigo de christo
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me thinks the devil has been real busy deceiving .
For i know of only one who would even dare to promise something
that gave a hope to man and yet what he promised CONTRADICTED GOD .
You see i know there is one who desires the death of man , and he was in the garden
and he said SURELY YE SHALL NOT DIE . HE knows how to use scrips to decieve too .
He can say GOD IS LOVE , HE can say GOD DESIRES none to perish , both of which is true .
NOW TAKE HEED reader and all , BUT HIMS GONNA TWIST IT to support A FAT LIE .
You see satan says to the ears of many through the many who loved a lie
GOD is love , GOD desires not the death of the wicked
but then USES that truth , NOT TO POINT TO CHRIST
but rather to a fat lie . HE uses that truth to say , SO since GOD is love and since GOD desires not the death of any
WONT NOBODY DIE , PERISH , cause GOD IS LOVE .
HIMS A LIAR .
You see true lambs
would have used that to POINT TO JESUS THE CHRIST . and if ya wanna example ALLOW ME TO GIVE IT .
I SAY the same . GOD IS LOVE , GOD DESIRES NOT the death of the wicked
ITS WHY HE SENT THE SON SO THAT ALL WHO DO BELIEVE WOULD NOT PERISH . BIG DIFFERENCE .
HUGE DIFFERENCE .
satans versions WILL CAUSE DEATH for he implies it dont matter if ya beleived or not .
THE TRUE VERSION that POINTED TO JESUS THE CHRIST , NOW THAT GIVETH LIFE . enjoy friend
and remember INTERFAITH IS OF SATAN and of SATAN IT SURELY IS ......let none partake of its common ground BULL DUNG .
amigo de christo
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Now think deeply on this and pray feverently about this .
Satans version . GOD is love , GOD does not desire the death of any , So no matter what one believes
in the end THEY WONT PERISH , they wont be damned .
THE TRUE VERSION and HOW IT SHOULD BE USED IS THIS right here my friend , GOD IS LOVE
GOD does not desire the death of any , ITS WHY HE SENT THE SON SO THAT ALL WHO DO BELEIVE BELEIVE BELEIVE
in HIM WOULD NOT PERISH but have Everlasting life .
ONE VERSION POINTS TO DEATH , THE OTHER TO LIFE . AND YET THE same scrips were used . SATAN IS SLICK .
but the lambs DONT HEED HIM
amigo de christo
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Now think deeply on this and pray feverently about this .
Satans version . GOD is love , GOD does not desire the death of any , So no matter what one believes
in the end THEY WONT PERISH , they wont be damned .
THE TRUE VERSION and HOW IT SHOULD BE USED IS THIS right here my friend , GOD IS LOVE
GOD does not desire the death of any , ITS WHY HE SENT THE SON SO THAT ALL WHO DO BELEIVE BELEIVE BELEIVE
in HIM WOULD NOT PERISH but have Everlasting life .
ONE VERSION POINTS TO DEATH , THE OTHER TO LIFE . AND YET THE same scrips were used . SATAN IS SLICK .
but the lambs DONT HEED HIM
amigo de christo
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On that day there will be the sheep and the goats . every goat is gonna wail . My advice
to all is , BIBLE UP . many follow another jesus and that jesus will not save them .
Marvelloustime
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Marvelloustime
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He actually died on earth. Even though He was slain before the foundation of the earth.
Yes, agreed. I, like all, deserve to go to the Lake of fire. But because I found God's grace irresistible I ended up believing that Jesus died in my place so I could be redeemed and reconciled to my Creator.
Agreed. Now and whenever whosoever believes in the Lamb to remove their offenses will receive forgiveness.
Thanks for your reply. The great news is that the blood of God's Lamb removes and cleans anyone who will repent.
I saw all those in the lake of fire repent and their Creator forgave them all.
Yes, the Lamb was killed before He even created this physical creation, this being in the mind of the Grand Designer.
Behold
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Jesus The Christ was slain before the foundation of the earth.. in = God's Foreknowledge.
So, as God knows all things that are going to happen, before they happen next... "God's Foreknowledge",..= then God knew what was going to happen on The Cross after Jesus was virgin born.
God also knows what time you are going to bed tonight, and what you are thinking right now.
That is not God causing it, that is God KNOWING IT...."Foreknowledge"... "knowledge of all things BEFORE they happen next".
Yes.
None of us deserve Heaven... as our sin has disqualified us all .......so, God sent Jesus to the Cross, as "God hath made Jesus .. to be sin for us"..
And because JESUS is our Sin bearer, we are able to receive God's "Gift of Righteousness" and we then become... "The Righteousness of GOD... IN Christ".
Yes.
Jesus is the Lamb slain for us all...>He is our redemption from our sin and from the Eternal Judgment due us for our sin.
Jesus took our sin upon Himself and received God's eternal judgement against our sin.
This is The Cross of Christ.
Yes, and the full revelation is that our sin is gone forever, washed in the Blood of Jesus..
Why?
Because "Jesus is the ONE TIME>.... ETERNAL..... Sacrifice for our sin"...........all of it, forever.
Everyone who went to Hell today, now believes in 2 things..
1.) Hell
2.) Jesus.
Everyone who went to Hell, in the last 30 seconds....., and since the Cross was raised 2000 yrs ago..., all believe in Jesus now, while they are in Hell.
And none of them are forgiven, noone of them are Christians, and they NOW all believe in Jesus.
See, you can't be born again in Hell.
Hell is the eternal beginnings.... of the person who was never born again on earth... as the born again already exist as "seated in heavenly places".
No one in Hell will ever be that one, as you have to become that one, by being born again, on Earth.
Here is the other reason that someone in Hell, will never become a Christian.
ITs because..
= Christianity, is FAITH based..........That means you have to believe in what you can't SEE.
AS if you can SEE IT, then that is seeing is believing, not .. "FAITH in what you can't see".
Therefore....When you are in Hell, you SEE that its real.. (you're IN IT).... and now you KNOW that Jesus is real, because of what you SEE.
And that is not FAITH.
Faith is bring sure of what you hope for. Certain of what you don't see.
So when those in the lake of fire finally decided they had had enough of being there they turned towards their Creator by faith not knowing if they were going to be accessed. They hoped against all hope and believed that their Creator would me merciful to them. Their faith was rewarded when they all received forgiveness and acceptance from their Crearor.
Behold
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God decided they are 'in Damnation", before they died and it became their eternal life.
See, there is Eternal life in 2 directions.
There is to be found.. "In Christ", and that is Eternal life, with Him.
Then there is the 2nd Death........and that is to continue to be without Salvation, after you die...
Let me explain that...
When Adam fell, He fell into sin, and his nature became "you are of your father the Devil, and the LUSTS of your father (sin), you shall do".
So, to escape that DEATH... is to be born again of another Spiritual Father.., and if you are not, born of of Christ's Father, before you die, you remain "of the DEVIL". And you end up in in Hell, because "Hell was created for the DEVIL and His Angels".. before Adam was created.
And once Adam fell, .. then this sin nature, that is the Devil's nature came to all of us... as Adam's Fall, is the fall of us all.
So, to escape this..........John 3:36, that is the eternity for a child of the DEVIL... you have to be born again of Christ's Father, while you are alive.
If you die, without this spiritual birth then you remain a child of the devil, and Hell is for the Devil and His Own.
So, the 2nd death... is simply to remain separated from God, exactly as you were, on Earth., and there is no remedy for this found in Hell, because Christ's Cross is not offered in Hell.
The great thing is that like the prodigal son, Satan, who was with his Creator, left all that, especially his Creator. But he will come to his senses at one point in eternity. At this point he will turn around, repent and move towards his Maker.
We know and have confidence that one who draws near to Him He will not reject, refuse, cast away. In fact their Creator will draw near to them. Wow! Isn't this beautiful. Oh the demonstration of the mercy and grace of God towards what He made.
Behold
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What you just posted is crazy.
Satan is not going to be found in Heaven, nor are any of His Children, other then at Rev 20:11
God does not allow Christ REJECTORS who died never born again...., to be given a 2nd Chance in the LAKE OF FIRE.
So, whatever cult is owing your mind.. so that you are "stuck on Repeat".. .... trying to now prove that even the Devil goes to Heaven... you need to get away from them, and never ever look back.
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