Universalism is a dangerous doctrine

[One 2 question]

I agree it is dangerous because universalism is tolerating sin and rebellion, something God hates with a passion.

I see that God is tolerating sin to this second and has been for thousands of years. But He will bring an end to it by judging it and those who have committed them. That would be all humans since Adam (in Adam).

Thankfully He had prepared a Lamb Who's sacrifice would take away the sin of the world. So He loves the world enough to sacrifice Him so the world could be saved from the condemnation we ALL deserve.

The sheep will be saved first. Then after spending some time in the lake of fire the goats will repent and receive forgiveness, redemption and be reconciled to their Creators.

This is by the one, same and only means, the blood of the Sacrificial Lamb of God. The prodigals will be met with full acceptance in the Beloved Who died for them as He did for us.

Praise God for Their never ending mercy and grace as they wait for Their prodigal children to return.

And not only they but Lucifer and all the angels. What a reunion that will be! I'm so excited about this event. It bring me joy every time I think about it.

Glory to God in the highest! For He does all things exceptionally well.

 

[amigo de christo]

I see that God is tolerating sin to this second and has been for thousands of years. But He will bring an end to it by judging it and those who have committed them. That would be all humans since Adam (in Adam).

Thankfully He had prepared a Lamb Who's sacrifice would take away the sin of the world. So He loves the world enough to sacrifice Him so the world could be saved from the condemnation we ALL deserve.

The sheep will be saved first. Then after spending some time in the lake of fire the goats will repent and receive forgiveness, redemption and be reconciled to their Creators.

This is by the one, same and only means, the blood of the Sacrificial Lamb of God. The prodigals will be met with full acceptance in the Beloved Who died for them as He did for us.

Praise God for Their never ending mercy and grace as they wait for Their prodigal children to return.

And not only they but Lucifer and all the angels. What a reunion that will be! I'm so excited about this event. It bring me joy every time I think about it.

Glory to God in the highest! For He does all things exceptionally well.

What is written in the book of revelation . He who adds too or takes from this book ....................lake of fire .
Notice in that book it never says they get out . so my advice is we leave that be my friend .
rather just preach the dire need to repent and beleive on JESUS the CHRIST .
It never once says they spend some time and then get out . It never says that .
So just leave it alone my friend . Rather than to preach on something we dont fully know
my advice is , Warn on the dire need to repent and to beleive JESUS is the CHRIST .
Because if one BELIEVES in HIM , they wont ever have to face that lake of fire .
Do not add to or take from . Leave that alone my friend . never offer up a false hope
offer up JESUS THE CHRIST as the ONLY means and NAME whereby one can be saved.

 

[amigo de christo]

I see that God is tolerating sin to this second and has been for thousands of years. But He will bring an end to it by judging it and those who have committed them. That would be all humans since Adam (in Adam).

Thankfully He had prepared a Lamb Who's sacrifice would take away the sin of the world. So He loves the world enough to sacrifice Him so the world could be saved from the condemnation we ALL deserve.

The sheep will be saved first. Then after spending some time in the lake of fire the goats will repent and receive forgiveness, redemption and be reconciled to their Creators.

This is by the one, same and only means, the blood of the Sacrificial Lamb of God. The prodigals will be met with full acceptance in the Beloved Who died for them as He did for us.

Praise God for Their never ending mercy and grace as they wait for Their prodigal children to return.

And not only they but Lucifer and all the angels. What a reunion that will be! I'm so excited about this event. It bring me joy every time I think about it.

Glory to God in the highest! For He does all things exceptionally well.

You are right about one thing though . EVER last one us deserved the lake of fire . EVERY last one o us
earned it . THANK GOD FOR JESUS THE CHRIST for the mercy of HIS GRACE .
Time to preach that GRACE , that gospel . Now for the warning part ,
It never says this dangerous part you try and squeak in .
You are in danger for tryingto add too my friend . just leave it be .
Rather preachJESUS the CHRIST in hopes they will hear and believe on HIM .
The problem with the church is that in large it is trying to remold the image of GOD
into something that they THINK will help bring in more souls . No sir .
Preach both the severity and goodness of GOD . Leave the JUDGMENT TO GOD .
Preach JESUS the CHRIST . GOD will judge as HE JUDGES and
we mere mortals have no right to add to or take from HIS JUDGMENT . leave that part ALONE .

 

[MatthewG]

@One 2 question.

That is also another odd belief, when it comes to universalism, concerning "Satan, and his Demons, or Angels."

I believe they were all done away with. The question is "Did a Angel who chose to disobey God, care if he was gonna be done away with?" That is a question one has to answer for themselves... I am someone who really doesn't see the Devil, and his demons as a reunion to join with heaven, I believe they have been all vanquished...

Of course that is just my speculation, and belief, in the face of other people who may suggest otherwise. Which is totally fine.

 

[Rockerduck]

@One 2 question.

That is also another odd belief, when it comes to universalism, concerning "Satan, and his Demons, or Angels."

I believe they were all done away with. The question is "Did a Angel who chose to disobey God, care if he was gonna be done away with?" That is a question one has to answer for themselves... I am someone who really doesn't see the Devil, and his demons as a reunion to join with heaven, I believe they have been all vanquished...

Of course that is just my speculation, and belief, in the face of other people who may suggest otherwise. Which is totally fine.

I've talked to Satan, I've felt his grip, and I saw Jesus pull him off and I have seen demons and talked to demon possessed people. In the invisible spirit realm, there are millions of demons watching for people to enter. They are still around and looking to steal, kill, and destroy. It is one on the lies of the devil to keep people saying he is not around anymore. Satan and his demons are defeated, but their goal is to keep people from knowing Jesus. I can tell you more than this.
Why are divorce rates sky high in these latter days? Why are bars full of drunks and alcoholics? People are shooting each other and mass Killings are becoming normal. Pornography is the #1 movie seller and Hollywood is the no. 1 maker.

 

[MatthewG]

I've talked to Satan, I've felt his grip, and I saw Jesus pull him off and I have seen demons and talked to demon possessed people. In the invisible spirit realm, there are millions of demons watching for people to enter. They are still around and looking to steal, kill, and destroy. It is one on the lies of the devil to keep people saying he is not around anymore. Satan and his demons are defeated, but their goal is to keep people from knowing Jesus. I can tell you more than this.
Why are divorce rates sky high in these latter days? Why are bars full of drunks and alcoholics? People are shooting each other and mass Killings are becoming normal. Pornography is the #1 movie seller and Hollywood is the no. 1 maker.

I wont take your word for it.

People loved the darkness more than the light...

It's a person desire whether or not they want Yahavah.

Church on every street corner...

I wont take your word for it.

I believe gods still exist, but not the devil, or his angels... there are many idols. Etc...

 

[MatthewG]

@Rockerduck,

While you can say whatever.

This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

It doesn't say people loved Satan.

Temptation comes from our own desires, which entice us and drag us away.

It doesn't say Temptation comes from Satan.


Satan and his angels are done away with today. Unless you don't believe what the Bible says concerning, the defeat and doing away of Satan, and I do believe it's his angels too.

 

[Rockerduck]

I wont take your word for it.

People loved the darkness more than the light...

It's a person desire whether or not they want Yahavah.

Church on every street corner...

I wont take your word for it.

I believe gods still exist, but not the devil, or his angels... there are many idols. Etc...

You've never experienced it, therefore you will not believe it. That's the way every one is these days. Unless they experience it, they believe nobody experienced it.

 

[MatthewG]

You've never experienced it, therefore you will not believe it. That's the way every one is these days. Unless they experience it, they believe nobody experienced it.

That is all you can say. You faithfully believe you talked to Satan.

What can I say? I use to belive I talked to Satan before too. Before knowledge came to me...


You can try to shame me or try, but that isn't gonna work...

 

[MatthewG]

Alot of the time "experience" can be based off of "feelings" a "experience that was felt" but that doesn't mean anything... I used to walk around graveyards apologizing to the dead for being stuck in this realm. My mind has changed a lot since those days as a teenager. @Rockerduck.

 

[Rockerduck]

Alot of the time "experience" can be based off of "feelings" a "experience that was felt" but that doesn't mean anything... I used to walk around graveyards apologizing to the dead for being stuck in this realm. My mind has changed a lot since those days as a teenager. @Rockerduck.

It is not feelings. You'd better believe that. I didn't jump this fight against spirits asking for it. It was an anointing the God gave me through the Holy Spirit, because I can handle it. Most Christians can't.

 

[MatthewG]

It is not feelings. You'd better believe that. I didn't jump this fight against spirits asking for it. It was an anointing the God gave me through the Holy Spirit, because I can handle it. Most Christians can't.

We don't believe the same concerning those matters. That is all there is too it. Rather than try to fight you about it - cool. Thank you for sharing but Idk what else you could share on top of what you have...

I find you to be someone who is condescending towards others don't get me wrong, I judge all the time.

 

[MatthewG]

A great question....

"How can the devil and his angels be defeated, with Satans head crushed in, still be around?"

Normally with a head crushed in, there is no more attributed actions following along afterwards.

It doesn't make sense. Darkness has always existed and still is around for sure.

 

[One 2 question]

It is not feelings. You'd better believe that. I didn't jump this fight against spirits asking for it. It was an anointing the God gave me through the Holy Spirit, because I can handle it. Most Christians can't.

Keep fighting the good fight. For we know who our enemy is. Yes, we are to love them yet resist them. They are like hungry wild animals seeking their next victim. Pray that God does not lead us into temptation, the temptation of Satan and His Demons. Thankfully the Spirit in us has more authority than Satan & Co.

These are the signs of those who believe in Christ....
these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Mark 16

 

[MatthewG]

Satan doesn't tempt us.

Our own desires tempt us...

People really believe and give to much credit to the devil.

I'm completely aware though, people with the same view stick together, and it's like buddies sticking together for the Lord Jesus Christ, and I get that...

But the truth is what people should seek. Not what people may mutually agree upon, or disagree upon.

 

[MatthewG]

these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Mark 16

Should I risk my life by drinking bleach then?

Ill recover, and can I restore my friends back? Who is sick? Let me just go lay my hand on him.

You quote a scripture that is not really even in the bible at all... lol... it's just added because idk why... Some manuscripts had it some did not...

Should I risk my life then drinking bleach? It's poison and let me go play with snakes too...


People really have done these things and have DIED from it... but my guess is people would say "Well they wasn't really in it for God. That's why they died!"

Yeah okay! Never listen to people on a forum board. Even myself...

 

[MatthewG]

What's worse is people that get into "religious ways" then decide after going to church for 15 years, they desire to have an affair against their husband and then have him murdered by the affairee....

Ya just can't trust people on the internet, let alone people in a church... trust Yahavah, for sure and DONT DRINK POSION ! Or PLAY WITH SNAKES! Unless you are familiar with snakes then that is okay but don't risk your life, and don't trust people who suggest you need to drink something at their place, or you need to play with their snakes!

RUN FAR AWAY FROM That!

 

[One 2 question]

You quote a scripture that is not really even in the bible at all... lol... it's just added because idk why... Some manuscripts had it some did not...

What!!! Are you questioning the people who compiled the bible? Aren't they God's appointed priests who got together and prayed over the available scroll and drew lots, I meant, drew scrolls out of amoung many and ended up with 73 or are you going to question these scrolls/books too. Maybe you want to remove not only some verses but some whole books too.

 

[One 2 question]

Should I risk my life by drinking bleach then?

Ill recover, and can I restore my friends back? Who is sick? Let me just go lay my hand on him.

You quote a scripture that is not really even in the bible at all... lol... it's just added because idk why... Some manuscripts had it some did not...

Should I risk my life then drinking bleach? It's poison and let me go play with snakes too...


People really have done these things and have DIED from it... but my guess is people would say "Well they wasn't really in it for God. That's why they died!"

Yeah okay! Never listen to people on a forum board. Even myself...

I'm just quoting what Jesus said. No need to shoot the messenger. They aren't my inspired words. Father didn't tell me this directly. It seems He did tell Jesus so question Jesus not me. Or question His Father Who gave it to Him.

 

[MatthewG]

What!!! Are you questioning the people who compiled the bible? Aren't they God's appointed priests who got together and prayed over the available scroll and drew lots, I meant, drew scrolls out of amoung many and ended up with 73 or are you going to question these scrolls/books too. Maybe you want to remove not only some