Unforgiveness and fellowship with God

[Eternally Grateful]

David after his sin with Bathsheba. All of Psalm 51 talks of his woeful self after his sinning.

12Restore to me the joy of Your salvation,
And uphold me by Your generous Spirit. Psalm 51:12

By fellowship with God, I am talking about the peace and joy we have inwardly with the Lord.

Yes,

I love how god restored and confronted him also.. i have seen that tactic used a few times on people. where you talk as if you’re talking about someone else. To get the person to confess it is a sin. Then to say that person is you.

It’s hard to hide sin, and when you are truly gods, when it is finally exposed. It is so amazingly freeing.. Although David had to live with his sin the rest of his life..

while the penalty of sin was already gone, the consequence of sin can be ongoing

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I think of the time in my past how god restored me. when i would hold a grudge or un forgiveness. In my mind it was all about how evil the person was. Or how that person was arrogant. Or whatever the person did. It was all focused on him. it was not until God through the Hs (chastening) or my disciple buddy telling me to stop being arrogant myself and look inside, That i realized the problem was my pride. The person hurt my pride that was why i could not forgive him or her. And until I confessed of my pride and was able to forgive that person. I suffered consequences of my sin.. I was seen as arrogant, i was seen as unforgiving, and people looked down on me and the way i acted.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And until I confessed of my pride and was able to forgive that person. I suffered consequences of my sin.. I was seen as arrogant, i was seen as unforgiving, and people looked down on me and the way i acted.

By the way, someone mentioned loss of fellowship. This is what that means, I lost fellowship only with God, it was severely Affected, but with the body

 

[Peterlag]

David after his sin with Bathsheba. All of Psalm 51 talks of his woeful self after his sinning.

12Restore to me the joy of Your salvation,
And uphold me by Your generous Spirit. Psalm 51:12

By fellowship with God, I am talking about the peace and joy we have inwardly with the Lord.

David is not one of us. We are not on the same page. I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth. It's true the Word of God was written for everyone for all time, and it's for our learning because it contains what everyone should know. That does not mean every part of it is addressed to everyone in this time, because the subject matter was written either to the Jews, to the Gentiles, or to the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32).

 

[amigo de christo]

David is not one of us. We are not on the same page. I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth. It's true the Word of God was written for everyone for all time, and it's for our learning because it contains what everyone should know. That does not mean every part of it is addressed to everyone in this time, because the subject matter was written either to the Jews, to the Gentiles, or to the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32).

David saw and prophesied of the COMING CHRIST MESSIAH . You can find it in the bible .
David was of HIS SHEEP . Peter even quoated david when HE spoke of Christ .
In mathew twenty seven we see these saints arose when JESUS arose from the grave and people even saw some of them
JESUS SHEEP were always looking for His coming . And though the false leaders tried to decieve the sheep did not hear them .
As with today and in these times as well . Though with us we now await HIS second coming .
Many have longed and waited to see the things you hear and see , yet did not .....................JESUS knew . Many died in faith
having faith in the COMING MESSIAH even long before HIS ARRIVAL . Now let all that draws breath praise and thank
the glorious Lord . This generation gonna see the Second coming and its gonna be in an instant
that those who are still alive are gonna fly HOME to the KING . Now that gives much hope .
Always forgive those who persecute us but never conform to the ways of evil men of this generation .

 

[amigo de christo]

Two things hit my mind...

1.) Isaiah is not in the New Testament that deals with Christians.
2.) I think you might have something there... how can we separate from God if He says He will never leave us?

though your sins be as scarlet they shall be white as snow .
OH ISSIAH spoke of the coming messiah all right . As we read in quite a few places .
A virgin shall concieve and ............................
Quite a few other places too . The lambs knew . These died in faith as they too awaited
the promise of HIS COMING . That bible points to JESUS CHRIST a LOT .
Sadly many churches today dont seem to as they point rather to another false all inclusive social gospel , another jesus

 

[Peterlag]

though your sins be as scarlet they shall be white as snow .
OH ISSIAH spoke of the coming messiah all right . As we read in quite a few places .
A virgin shall concieve and ............................
Quite a few other places too . The lambs knew . These died in faith as they too awaited
the promise of HIS COMING . That bible points to JESUS CHRIST a LOT .
Sadly many churches today dont seem to as they point rather to another false all inclusive social gospel , another jesus

You lost me. What's your point?

 

[amigo de christo]

You lost me. What's your point?

There are many things written in ISSIAH that pointed right to Christ .
Also dont forget , But if you FORSAKE ME I WILL FORSAKE YOU . GOD says that too . lets not just quoate parts
but rather quaote the entire word rightly divided .
What hardens the heart , SIN DOES . sin taketh the heart away from GOD .
So allow a lovely reminder from paul to be typed .
Exhort one another daily , lest any of you become hardened through the decitfulness of Sin .
Dont forget church .
For we are made partakers of CHRIST , IF .............................................................lets not dimiss what follows that IF .
Also let us forgive those who do us wrong . Never conform to their ways
and do not be unequally yoked with them either , but do forgive those who persecute you .

 

[Peterlag]

David saw and prophesied of the COMING CHRIST MESSIAH . You can find it in the bible .
David was of HIS SHEEP . Peter even quoated david when HE spoke of Christ .
In mathew twenty seven we see these saints arose when JESUS arose from the grave and people even saw some of them
JESUS SHEEP were always looking for His coming . And though the false leaders tried to decieve the sheep did not hear them .
As with today and in these times as well . Though with us we now await HIS second coming .
Many have longed and waited to see the things you hear and see , yet did not .....................JESUS knew . Many died in faith
having faith in the COMING MESSIAH even long before HIS ARRIVAL . Now let all that draws breath praise and thank
the glorious Lord . This generation gonna see the Second coming and its gonna be in an instant
that those who are still alive are gonna fly HOME to the KING . Now that gives much hope .
Always forgive those who persecute us but never conform to the ways of evil men of this generation .

We are talking about if we can break our fellowship with God...

Still don't see your point. I asked for a verse on that and all who replied are giving me data on the Old Testament. Well, the Old Testament does not include Christians. Does anyone have a verse in the New Testament that says we can break fellowship with God. We the Christians. Not asking about Israel.

 

[amigo de christo]

We are talking about if we can break our fellowship with God...

Still don't see your point. I asked for a verse on that and all who replied are giving me data on the Old Testament. Well, the Old Testament does not include Christians. Does anyone have a verse in the New Testament that says we can break fellowship with God. We the Christians. Not asking about Israel.

Not all of israel is of ISRAEL . Let us learn well what that means . notice one is not capitlized but the other one is .
jersulame which is , is still in bondage with her children
but JERSUALEM which is above is free . again take note one was captilized and one was not .
A hint . THE ONLY ACCESS INTO THE TRUE is BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST .
For if a man claims to LOVE GOD but rejectes JESUS as CHRIST , i tell us all they do not love GOD
they do not know GOD and they are not OF GOD . FOR IF A MAN LOVETH GOD
they would have LOVED CHRIST . let us always remember that and remember that very well .

 

[amigo de christo]

Now lift those hands and let all that draws breath praise and thank the glorious Lord .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

David is not one of us. We are not on the same page. I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth. It's true the Word of God was written for everyone for all time, and it's for our learning because it contains what everyone should know. That does not mean every part of it is addressed to everyone in this time, because the subject matter was written either to the Jews, to the Gentiles, or to the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32).

david is indeed one of us, Why would you think different?

 

[amigo de christo]

david is indeed one of us, Why would you think different?

 

[marks]

David after his sin with Bathsheba. All of Psalm 51 talks of his woeful self after his sinning.

12Restore to me the joy of Your salvation,
And uphold me by Your generous Spirit. Psalm 51:12

By fellowship with God, I am talking about the peace and joy we have inwardly with the Lord.

When I speak of fellowship with God, it's not so much about how I'm feeling at the time, what I'm meaning is that I'm aware of Him being with me, and that I can speak with Him, and He speaks to me. Certainly whenever we are walking according to flesh we won't be experiencing the love and joy and peace and patience and all the other fruit of the Spirit.

Hebrews quotes God's promise to Joshua, as for us all, Keep yourself free from coveteousness, for He has promised, I will never leave you nor forsake you, and I take Him at His Word.

Much love!

 

[marks]

David is not one of us. We are not on the same page. I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth. It's true the Word of God was written for everyone for all time, and it's for our learning because it contains what everyone should know. That does not mean every part of it is addressed to everyone in this time, because the subject matter was written either to the Jews, to the Gentiles, or to the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32).

David was not regenerated, as are those in the New Covenant. The Spirit would come and go in that time, but in the New Covenant He has come to live in us forever. And this certainly changes things!

Being regenerated means we have a new live having been united with God by His Spirit. Because He lives, I live, because He lives in me. No, there is no interuption of His connection with me, because it's not based on me. It's based on Jesus, His obedient death, His resurrection. And because those facts all remain true, it remains true that He is with me, and has promised to never leave me. He's my life. There is no break in fellowship. My life is not based on "sinlessness", it's found in Christ.

Much love!

 

[Peterlag]

David was not regenerated, as are those in the New Covenant. The Spirit would come and go in that time, but in the New Covenant He has come to live in us forever. And this certainly changes things!

Being regenerated means we have a new live having been united with God by His Spirit. Because He lives, I live, because He lives in me. No, there is no interuption of His connection with me, because it's not based on me. It's based on Jesus, His obedient death, His resurrection. And because those facts all remain true, it remains true that He is with me, and has promised to never leave me. He's my life. There is no break in fellowship. My life is not based on "sinlessness", it's found in Christ.

Much love!

You write well on this subject. Most Christians believe their sins are forgiven when they are born again up to that point, but must run to God to confess and repent their new sins every time they sin after becoming a Christian. The belief is that you will either be lost, or on your way to hell, or at the very least God will not fellowship with you, and He certainly will not answer your prayers if you are found with an unconfessed sin. Such a concept would mean everybody would be on their way to hell because there is not a person on this earth who does not have either a known or an unknown unconfessed sin. Now if this new sin just means the loss of a relationship with God, which would include unanswered prayers. Then God would not have a single person on this earth qualified to receive an answer to prayer or to be able to fellowship with Him.

 

[Peterlag]

david is indeed one of us, Why would you think different?

I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth. It's true the Word of God was written for everyone for all time, and it's for our learning because it contains what everyone should know. That does not mean every part of it is addressed to everyone in this time, because the subject matter was written either to the Jews, to the Gentiles, or to the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32).

To rightly understand the Word of God, one must understand what part is written to the Church of God and what part is written for the learning of the Church. Every word from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, is written for our learning. However, not all of the words from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, are addressed to us. We must learn to distinguish not only the various people, but also the different time periods God has spoken to if we want to understand the written Word of God. The time God spoke to the children of Israel is not the same time period He has spoken to us. The time He spoke to the prophets in the time of the Old Testament is not the same time period He spoke to His Son Jesus Christ in the time of the gospels.

 

[marks]

You write well on this subject. Most Christians believe their sins are forgiven when they are born again up to that point, but must run to God to confess and repent their new sins every time they sin after becoming a Christian. The belief is that you will either be lost, or on your way to hell, or at the very least God will not fellowship with you, and He certainly will not answer your prayers if you are found with an unconfessed sin. Such a concept would mean everybody would be on their way to hell because there is not a person on this earth who does not have either a known or an unknown unconfessed sin. Now if this new sin just means the loss of a relationship with God, which would include unanswered prayers. Then God would not have a single person on this earth qualified to receive an answer to prayer or to be able to fellowship with Him.

I think the same thing, that if continued salvation or fellowship relies on our ability to detect and confess all sins we commit, who is able to do that? Like you say, we would all be disqualified.

Much love!

 

[Debp]

Certainly whenever we are walking according to flesh we won't be experiencing the love and joy and peace and patience and all the other fruit of the Spirit.

The above is what I was talking about in my original post.... regarding someone who will not forgive. The Lord tells us to forgive...if a person stubbornly refuses to forgive, they only hurt themselves inwardly.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth. It's true the Word of God was written for everyone for all time, and it's for our learning because it contains what everyone should know. That does not mean every part of it is addressed to everyone in this time, because the subject matter was written either to the Jews, to the Gentiles, or to the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32).

To rightly understand the Word of God, one must understand what part is written to the Church of God and what part is written for the learning of the Church. Every word from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, is written for our learning. However, not all of the words from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, are addressed to us. We must learn to distinguish not only the various people, but also the different time periods God has spoken to if we want to understand the written Word of God. The time God spoke to the children of Israel is not the same time period He has spoken to us. The time He spoke to the prophets in the time of the Old Testament is not the same time period He spoke to His Son Jesus Christ in the time of the gospels.

David is a child of God. I am a child of God.

I am saved the same way he was. By faith in God.

not sure why you would think he is not a part of us