Ultimately, it's not a matter of who is right and who is wrong... (?)

[Eternally Grateful]

And said that prior to meeting with any of the Apostles.

And Paul repeatedly identified his teachings as his gospel. Which differs in many respects from that one Jesus taught his Disciples whom he later anointed and appointed as Apostles of The Great Commission.

No,

If Paul taught a gospel different than Jesus. he would be condemning himself.

Look at John 3, John 4, John 5 and John 6. Jesus taught the same gospel.

Grace through faith - He who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already

 

[St. SteVen]

Biblepaige said:
... And Paul repeatedly identified his teachings as his gospel.

If Paul taught a gospel different than Jesus. he would be condemning himself.

That's not what @Biblepaige means. (I don't think)
Paul did make reference to his gospel. Which meant his telling of it. Not a different gospel.

Romans 2:16 NIV
This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

2 Timothy 2:8 NIV
Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my gospel,

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[Keiw]

And said that prior to meeting with any of the Apostles.

And Paul repeatedly identified his teachings as his gospel. Which differs in many respects from that one Jesus taught his Disciples whom he later anointed and appointed as Apostles of The Great Commission.

Jesus commissioned Paul. He taught Gods truth just as Jesus did. His teachings would never differ.

 

[St. SteVen]

Jesus commissioned Paul. He taught Gods truth just as Jesus did. His teachings would never differ.

That's not what @Biblepaige means. (I don't think)
Paul did make reference to his gospel. Which meant his telling of it. Not a different gospel.

Romans 2:16 NIV
This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

2 Timothy 2:8 NIV
Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my gospel,

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[Wick Stick]

There is another spot that teaches that. It pertains to all professing to be true followers.

A quick search didn't turn it up for me. Care to point it out?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Biblepaige said:
... And Paul repeatedly identified his teachings as his gospel.

That's not what @Biblepaige means. (I don't think)
Paul did make reference to his gospel. Which meant his telling of it. Not a different gospel.

Romans 2:16 NIV
This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

2 Timothy 2:8 NIV
Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my gospel,

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was his gospel different than Jesus gospel?

@Biblepaige made the following statement

"Which differs in many respects from that one Jesus taught his Disciples"

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's not what @Biblepaige means. (I don't think)
Paul did make reference to his gospel. Which meant his telling of it. Not a different gospel.

Romans 2:16 NIV
This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

2 Timothy 2:8 NIV
Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my gospel,

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Did not jesus say he would die and be raised? Did not jesus say he would judge? in fact did not the OT say he would judge?

When paul says my gospel. he means the one he proclaims. He does not mean it is different.

again, if it is different, then he condemnes himself as per Galations 1

 

[JohnDB]

When it comes to matters of ordinances there can be a huge amount of grace extended.
IE whether or not holding out your pinky finger when drinking from a cup with a handle....

However,
The Jesus who died to give us license to sin or the Deity Jesus who died to extend grace to atone for our sins is a major difference. This is a major difference between denominations which cannot be overlooked.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

there is in essence 3 different gospels being taught.

1. Licentiousness - also called easy believism or cheap grace says you can basically say a sinners prayer and live however you want. Your saved. Jude condemned this gospel in his book. and James called everyone to test their faith in his book to make sure we do not have this type of "dead" faith,

2. Legalism - This gospel says we are saved by grace plus works. It states that faith is required. but that is not all. We also have to produce works. The amount of works varies from denomination to denomination. I have seen a vast list of things we must do from the jews to the catholics, to as little as we just need to be baptized in water. the amount of works does not matter, the fact they are saying we begin in the spirit (grace through faith) but must perfect in the flesh (our own works) makes it a legalistic gospel. and paul calls them fools.

3. Grace - This gospel say no one is worthy, nor will they ever be worthy, that we all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, That because of this, we are all dead in tresspasses and sins and have no hope. we are poor in spirit (bancrupt) and have nothing to offer God. But God in his riches of grace and mercy and love sent his son to die in our place. that whoever believes in him with true saving faith. will never suffer the punishment we all deserve (eternal death) but are risen to new life, saved and given eternal life. not based on what we do, on how good we are. or what we do not do. but based on his mercy and grace, for it is by grace we have been saved, through faith. There are a few denominations that teach this gospel. other they may differ on other doctrines, they have this gospel. so are united in this


only one of the above saves. As paul said, if anyone teaches a different gospel. may they be damned..Each one of us will be held accountable for which Gospel we placed our faith in.

 

[Wrangler]

Obeying is most important.

The Sh’ma is most important. Love God with your all.

How we show this love is obedience. However, our great God YHWH does not want us to obey as we internally resist with every fiber of our being. By accepting his Spirit, we become one with our Creator and obedience and love become natural.

 

[Keiw]

That's not what @Biblepaige means. (I don't think)
Paul did make reference to his gospel. Which meant his telling of it. Not a different gospel.

Romans 2:16 NIV
This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

2 Timothy 2:8 NIV
Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my gospel,

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Yes the Jesus-the only true God ( Father) sent-John 17:3) -- do you believe Jesus on that matter? Paul did-1Cor 8:6

 

[Keiw]

A quick search didn't turn it up for me. Care to point it out?

Matt 24:13

 

[Keiw]

The Sh’ma is most important. Love God with your all.

How we show this love is obedience. However, our great God YHWH does not want us to obey as we internally resist with every fiber of our being. By accepting his Spirit, we become one with our Creator and obedience and love become natural.

Yes, obeying is proof of ones love. And all must choose with free will to obey.

 

[St. SteVen]

Yes, obeying is proof of ones love.

I would say that obedience is only proof of loyalty. (be it all so temporary)

Doing the right thing should be a joyous natural outflow, not an obligation to meet.

I saw a woman walk past me yesterday with jeweled cross earrings.
She had the most sour look on her face.

And all must choose with free will to obey.

Those being extorted feel they have no choice in the matter.
Accepting "an offer they can't refuse."

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[Wrangler]

Yes, obeying is proof of ones love.

Not quite. @St. SteVen and I are saying the same thing.

I would say that obedience is only proof of loyalty. (be it all so temporary)

Doing the right thing should be a joyous natural outflow, not an obligation to meet.

I saw a woman walk past me yesterday with jeweled cross earrings.
She had the most sour look on her face.

Obedience done in the Spirit is the way.

 

[St. SteVen]

Obedience done in the Spirit is the way.

Exactly.

Galatians 5:18 NIV
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

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[amadeus]

Exactly.

Galatians 5:18 NIV
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

And in the Spirit might not one be led to obey the law as given to Moses or some parts of it?

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
Galatians 5:18 NIV
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

And in the Spirit might not one be led to obey the law as given to Moses or some parts of it?

It comes back to definitions. There is a lot of overlap. So, yes; some parts of it.

- God's law of human conscience was from the beginning
- Next came the law God gave to the Israelites alone through Moses.
- The came Christ's law.

1 Corinthians 9:20-22 NIV
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.
To those under the law I became like one under the law
(though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.
21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law
(though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law),
so as to win those not having the law.
22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak.
I have become all things to all people so that
by all possible means I might save some.

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[amadeus]

St. SteVen said:
Galatians 5:18 NIV
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

It comes back to definitions. There is a lot of overlap. So, yes; some parts of it.

Has God necessarily led every person to exactly the same place at exactly the same time?

- God's law of human conscience was from the beginning
- Next came the law God gave to the Israelites alone through Moses.
- The came Christ's law.

And where is each believer today? We see the differences in Christian denominations as well as in individuals on this forum. Is any one of them completely wrong or completely right?

1 Corinthians 9:20-22 NIV
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.
To those under the law I became like one under the law
(though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.
21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law
(though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law),
so as to win those not having the law.
22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak.
I have become all things to all people so that
by all possible means I might save some.

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When is a person finally and completely saved? When will he have attained to the place where he will never again look back like Lot's wife or partake again of his own vomit like a dog?

 

[St. SteVen]

Has God necessarily led every person to exactly the same place at exactly the same time?

Certainly not. I agree.

And where is each believer today? We see the differences in Christian denominations as well as in individuals on this forum. Is any one of them completely wrong or completely right?

Jesus is the way, but how many ways are there to Jesus?

When is a person finally and completely saved? When will he have attained to the place where he will never again look back like Lot's wife or partake again of his own vomit like a dog?

When indeed. ???

1 John 3:2 NIV
Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known.
But we know that when Christ appears,[a] we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

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