Ukraine’s army has been defeated; all that is left is mop-up

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Ukraine’s army has been defeated; all that is left is mop-up – NaturalNews.com
But as you can see Zelenski and Nato support is allowing this war to continue to an inevitable end. Sort of like a war of attrition the Nazi's waged at the end of WW2, they will drag this out to the bitter end as a proxy war against Russia, which they generally have feared and hated for decades.

Interview question and answers from former CIA officer and a US Colonel

Colonel Douglas MacGregor was a guest on the Tucker Carlson Show. His views on the war are strikingly similar to your own. Here’s what he said in the interview:

“The war is really over for the Ukrainians. They have been ground into bits, there is no question about that despite what we hear from our mainstream media. So, the real question for us at this stage is, Tucker, are we going to live with the Russian people and their government or we going to continue to pursue this sort of regime change dressed up as a Ukrainian war? Are we going to stop using Ukraine as a battering ram against Moscow, which is effectively what we’ve done.” (Tucker Carlson– MacGregor Interview)
 
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No we are not going to stop, because Putin doesn't want to play ball with the globalist elites.

They want him to destroy his economy so everyone is dependant on the government for handouts. Because we can't have a new world order until this rogue government is brought under thumb. The nerve of him wanting a prosperous nation...
 

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Ukraine’s army has been defeated; all that is left is mop-up – NaturalNews.com
But as you can see Zelenski and Nato support is allowing this war to continue to an inevitable end. Sort of like a war of attrition the Nazi's waged at the end of WW2, they will drag this out to the bitter end as a proxy war against Russia, which they generally have feared and hated for decades.

Interview question and answers from former CIA officer and a US Colonel

Colonel Douglas MacGregor was a guest on the Tucker Carlson Show. His views on the war are strikingly similar to your own. Here’s what he said in the interview:

“The war is really over for the Ukrainians. They have been ground into bits, there is no question about that despite what we hear from our mainstream media. So, the real question for us at this stage is, Tucker, are we going to live with the Russian people and their government or we going to continue to pursue this sort of regime change dressed up as a Ukrainian war? Are we going to stop using Ukraine as a battering ram against Moscow, which is effectively what we’ve done.” (Tucker Carlson– MacGregor Interview)


Well as Putin has changed what he said is the reason for invading Ukraine several times and was forced to retreat from Kyiv because of the losses his armed forces incurred, I would say that Ukraine is far from defeated.

Russia does have far more material and men to throw into the meat grinder and can win a drawn out war of attrition, but at what cost to Russia.

This was is costing Russia close to $50 billion a day to prosecute, so the tab so far is over $2 trillion dollars. The fuels, ammunition, missiles, food and salaries for near 200,000 is very costly. Added to that the enormous losses in men and material incurred by Russia

19,000+ troops
154 aircraft (all types)
722 tanks
342 artillery pieces
1942 apc's
4 mobile SRBM systems
108 MLRS systems
7 ships
1384 vehicles
76 fuel trucks
 

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Ukraine’s army has been defeated; all that is left is mop-up – NaturalNews.com
But as you can see Zelenski and Nato support is allowing this war to continue to an inevitable end. Sort of like a war of attrition the Nazi's waged at the end of WW2, they will drag this out to the bitter end as a proxy war against Russia, which they generally have feared and hated for decades.

Interview question and answers from former CIA officer and a US Colonel

Colonel Douglas MacGregor was a guest on the Tucker Carlson Show. His views on the war are strikingly similar to your own. Here’s what he said in the interview:

“The war is really over for the Ukrainians. They have been ground into bits, there is no question about that despite what we hear from our mainstream media. So, the real question for us at this stage is, Tucker, are we going to live with the Russian people and their government or we going to continue to pursue this sort of regime change dressed up as a Ukrainian war? Are we going to stop using Ukraine as a battering ram against Moscow, which is effectively what we’ve done.” (Tucker Carlson– MacGregor Interview)


Ukraine's advantage is that they fight like the minute men of the American Revolution! They have legions of small hunter killer packs that pick off Russian troops and equipment. Yes Ukraine has sustained serious losses, but the fight is far from over.

Now that the Butcher is in charge of Russian forces, we will see far more brutal destruction of homes and infrastructure and far more civilian deaths.

Yes this is a proxy war between the two legs of Daniels statue. This may lead to WW 3 or the one world govt. as prophesied, but I am sorry, Russia had no right to invade Ukraine just because He didn't want them to join NATO. Is he going to do the same with Finland now that they have applied for NATO membership? They have an 800km border with Russia!

Natural news is not what would be considered a reliable and verifiable source. Between Odysee and you tube, I get info on this illegal invasion from over 15 sources. Some very slanted but some very independent and no tied to east or west.

I see this will be a pyrrhic victory for Russia. They can win in the long run the military conflict, but the cost to them as a nation is going to be greater than the savor of their victory! The nation is teetering on insolvency
 

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No we are not going to stop, because Putin doesn't want to play ball with the globalist elites.

They want him to destroy his economy so everyone is dependant on the government for handouts. Because we can't have a new world order until this rogue government is brought under thumb. The nerve of him wanting a prosperous nation...
I don't see the Russian economy failing at all.
They have huge monthly oil and energy revenues.
Both China and India buy Russian energy and between these 3 countries, that is almost half the world population.
I think more likely Europe will implode in on itself.

All these numbers were BEFORE the Ukraine war, so they are now making bank with even more money as oil and gas are much higher, perhaps double this.
Factbox: Russia's oil and gas revenue windfall
=======================================
Following are details of Russian oil and gas sales:

- According to its Finance Ministry, Russian oil and gas revenues exceeded initial plans by 51.3% in 2021, totalling 9.1 trillion roubles ($119 billion). In October alone, revenues were 1.1 trillion roubles, or almost $500 million per day.

- Total budget revenues reached 25.29 trillion roubles last year, up from 18.72 trillion roubles in 2020.

- The Russian Finance Ministry had initially projected an oil price , of $45 per barrel when compiling the budget for 2021. The price has instead averaged $69.

- The Economy Ministry had expected an average natural gas export price of $156.3 per 1,000 cubic metres in 2021. Russian gas exporting monopoly Gazprom said in December that the price was likely to reach $280, with the final data yet to come.

- According to the central bank, Russia's total exports reached $489.8 billion in 2021. Of that, crude oil accounted for $110.2 billion, oil products for $68.7 billion, pipeline natural gas for $54.2 billion and liquefied natural gas $7.6 billion.

- Russia ran a historically-high current account surplus of $120.3 billion, equal to 7% of gross domestic product, last year, driven by high gas prices. read more

- Growing volumes and high prices meant that the share of gas in Russia's annual fuel export proceeds increased from historic levels of 15-20% to 23% in 2021, which is still modest compared to oil, ING said in a note.

- The rouble is set to benefit from record high prices for natural gas in Europe as gas revenues are not absorbed by Russia's National Wealth Fund to the extent that oil revenues are, analysts have said, while warning that geopolitics could yet outweigh this advantage. read more
 

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Lets say Europe's economy implodes into a great depression, that will take down the EU, NATO payments will stop, businesses will cease operations, massive unemployment, social welfare system collapses, UK suffers too. No prosperity left. All that and more will happen to them if they stop buying Russian energy. The German finance minister already said the collapse from just that will be far worse than the 1930's. But it does not have to affect Russia, India, China or the US too much. The US may suffer worse than China, India, Russia, but only due to pollical policies, like refusing to trade with Russia and China over politics. The prices you pay, is controlled by government actions from their agenda driven policies. The market here in the US is not a free market, it is bound by government dictates.

So if The EU collapses into a terrible mega depression, the internal politics may drive them to war over resources. You know we restricted Japan's access to natural resources in the 1930's and that is a major reason they declared war on the US.

Putin has already predicted the future prosperity of nations will be based on real assets, not fiat monies and extreme debt. whether he said, does not matter, as I think there is truth to that. Other countries are already moving away from the US dollar, when they do that, it drives up our costs, inflation rises and could rise a whole lot seeing how much debt we pay, as they will stop buying our debt. So to make them more interested, rates must rise.
 
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The war is really over for the Ukrainians. They have been ground into bits, there is no question about that despite what we hear from our mainstream media.
That is not entirely accurate. Even the conservative media are not saying any such thing.

Putin's Press Secretary Makes Stunning Admission in Extraordinarily Revealing Interview

The SkyNews host kept going. “You’ve retreated from the capital, [Ukraine] President [Volodymyr] Zelenskyy is still in power, you’ve lost thousands of troops, you’ve lost six generals, hundreds of tanks and other equipment,” he said. “It’s a humiliation, really, isn’t it?”

Putin's Press Secretary Makes Stunning Admission in Extraordinarily Revealing Interview
 

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That is not entirely accurate. Even the conservative media are not saying any such thing.

Putin's Press Secretary Makes Stunning Admission in Extraordinarily Revealing Interview

The SkyNews host kept going. “You’ve retreated from the capital, [Ukraine] President [Volodymyr] Zelenskyy is still in power, you’ve lost thousands of troops, you’ve lost six generals, hundreds of tanks and other equipment,” he said. “It’s a humiliation, really, isn’t it?”

Putin's Press Secretary Makes Stunning Admission in Extraordinarily Revealing Interview
Russia, or Putin's goal is to split Ukraine in half.
So their will be west Ukraine, and East Ukraine, but likely their will be a new name of a new country formed, so then
Ukraine and some other name significant to the people living in the Donbass, a Russian speaking region.
I dont think Russia ever wanted all of the Ukraine. But no matter what, Russia will not allow Ukraine to join NATO, they are willing to go to nuclear war over that.
 
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Russia, or Putin's goal is to split Ukraine in half.
So their will be west Ukraine, and East Ukraine, but likely their will be a new name of a new country formed, so then
Ukraine and some other name significant to the people living in the Donbass, a Russian speaking region.
I dont think Russia ever wanted all of the Ukraine. But no matter what, Russia will not allow Ukraine to join NATO, they are willing to go to nuclear war over that.
Ukrane will never agree to be split in half. And the globalists want to drag out the war to weaken Russia.

Russia would be foolish to waste their hard earned victory. I suspect Russia will puppet part of them if they win, like Vichy France. And Annex the rest.
 
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I don't see the Russian economy failing at all.
They have huge monthly oil and energy revenues.
Both China and India buy Russian energy and between these 3 countries, that is almost half the world population.
I think more likely Europe will implode in on itself.

All these numbers were BEFORE the Ukraine war, so they are now making bank with even more money as oil and gas are much higher, perhaps double this.

But this cannot supply the rest of goods they need to run the economy! And as they are removed from teh SWIFT system- they are almost completely cut off from teh rest of world trade.
 

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Ukrane will never agree to be split in half. And the globalists want to drag out the war to weaken Russia.

Russia would be foolish to waste their hard earned victory. I suspect Russia will puppet part of them if they win, like Vichy France. And Annex the rest.

I can see Velinsky giving up the Donbas. It has been nothing but trouble for Ukraine for 8 years now! but they already have stated the Crimea is not ont eh table at all.
 

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Russia will not allow Ukraine to join NATO, they are willing to go to nuclear war over that.
Nuclear war will simply boomerang on Russia, which means that there will be no winners. So talk about nuclear war is reckless bluster. As to Ukraine joining (or not joining) NATO, that is not a decision for Russia to make. Ukraine is no longer in the Soviet Union.
 
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I don't see the Russian economy failing at all.
They have huge monthly oil and energy revenues.
Both China and India buy Russian energy and between these 3 countries, that is almost half the world population.
I think more likely Europe will implode in on itself.

All these numbers were BEFORE the Ukraine war, so they are now making bank with even more money as oil and gas are much higher, perhaps double this.
Factbox: Russia's oil and gas revenue windfall
=======================================
Following are details of Russian oil and gas sales:

- According to its Finance Ministry, Russian oil and gas revenues exceeded initial plans by 51.3% in 2021, totalling 9.1 trillion roubles ($119 billion). In October alone, revenues were 1.1 trillion roubles, or almost $500 million per day.

- Total budget revenues reached 25.29 trillion roubles last year, up from 18.72 trillion roubles in 2020.

- The Russian Finance Ministry had initially projected an oil price , of $45 per barrel when compiling the budget for 2021. The price has instead averaged $69.

- The Economy Ministry had expected an average natural gas export price of $156.3 per 1,000 cubic metres in 2021. Russian gas exporting monopoly Gazprom said in December that the price was likely to reach $280, with the final data yet to come.

- According to the central bank, Russia's total exports reached $489.8 billion in 2021. Of that, crude oil accounted for $110.2 billion, oil products for $68.7 billion, pipeline natural gas for $54.2 billion and liquefied natural gas $7.6 billion.

- Russia ran a historically-high current account surplus of $120.3 billion, equal to 7% of gross domestic product, last year, driven by high gas prices. read more

- Growing volumes and high prices meant that the share of gas in Russia's annual fuel export proceeds increased from historic levels of 15-20% to 23% in 2021, which is still modest compared to oil, ING said in a note.

- The rouble is set to benefit from record high prices for natural gas in Europe as gas revenues are not absorbed by Russia's National Wealth Fund to the extent that oil revenues are, analysts have said, while warning that geopolitics could yet outweigh this advantage. read more


Maybe you should see the videos of the average Russian citizen who if he finds goods and services can barely afford them anymore! There is a whole lot more to an economy than just oil revenue! Given that hew is cut off from key electronic components , as his military needs repair ( and war grinds equipment down rapidly) he will face a massive shortage of the electronic components that are critical to modern weapons.


Lets say Europe's economy implodes into a great depression, that will take down the EU, NATO payments will stop, businesses will cease operations, massive unemployment, social welfare system collapses, UK suffers too. No prosperity left. All that and more will happen to them if they stop buying Russian energy. The German finance minister already said the collapse from just that will be far worse than the 1930's. But it does not have to affect Russia, India, China or the US too much. The US may suffer worse than China, India, Russia, but only due to pollical policies, like refusing to trade with Russia and China over politics. The prices you pay, is controlled by government actions from their agenda driven policies. The market here in the US is not a free market, it is bound by government dictates.

Chinas economy is a basket case now due to the harsh lockdowns, weather destruction of their crops and the real estate crash! I personally would love to see manufacturing return to the US. Having an enemy of a land run massive trade surpluses with you is a recipe for disaster.

So if The EU collapses into a terrible mega depression, the internal politics may drive them to war over resources. You know we restricted Japan's access to natural resources in the 1930's and that is a major reason they declared war on the US.

Putin has already predicted the future prosperity of nations will be based on real assets, not fiat monies and extreme debt. whether he said, does not matter, as I think there is truth to that. Other countries are already moving away from the US dollar, when they do that, it drives up our costs, inflation rises and could rise a whole lot seeing how much debt we pay, as they will stop buying our debt. So to make them more interested, rates must rise.

Don't give Putin too much credit. Yes he has bought huge gold reserves. But if the power brokers want- they can drive the price of gold down to $300/oune in a week! Even gold is only as valuable as those who control prices say it will be.
 

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Russia, or Putin's goal is to split Ukraine in half.
So their will be west Ukraine, and East Ukraine, but likely their will be a new name of a new country formed, so then
Ukraine and some other name significant to the people living in the Donbass, a Russian speaking region.
I dont think Russia ever wanted all of the Ukraine. But no matter what, Russia will not allow Ukraine to join NATO, they are willing to go to nuclear war over that.


Putin is nuts- but not that nuts! He now has to deal with Finland wanting to be part of NATO! If he wasn't so old soviet marxist thug- He wouldn't have to have those worries.
 

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No we are not going to stop, because Putin doesn't want to play ball with the globalist elites.

They want him to destroy his economy so everyone is dependant on the government for handouts. Because we can't have a new world order until this rogue government is brought under thumb. The nerve of him wanting a prosperous nation...
I Agree 100%

Putin recently tied the ruble to gold at 5,000 for 1 gram, and he is selling oil for payments in rubles, fighting the globalist in the economic sector

Everything I've read shows hes making $Billions$ and the western world is paying the tab, Europe nor the US has stopped buying the cheap Russian gas/oil, the MSM would like you to believe otherwise
 
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Putin is nuts- but not that nuts! He now has to deal with Finland wanting to be part of NATO! If he wasn't so old soviet marxist thug- He wouldn't have to have those worries.
Finland joining NATO?

I'm sure Putin hasn't slept in weeks at the thought :)
 

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I can see Velinsky giving up the Donbas. It has been nothing but trouble for Ukraine for 8 years now! but they already have stated the Crimea is not ont eh table at all.
Ukraine is finished, the only military operation they have left is the MSM in propaganda, and its crumbling fast, as truth is being presented in the back channels

Last thing Putin would allow is Crimea, its Naval base and warm water port
 
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Ukraine’s army has been defeated; all that is left is mop-up – NaturalNews.com
But as you can see Zelenski and Nato support is allowing this war to continue to an inevitable end. Sort of like a war of attrition the Nazi's waged at the end of WW2, they will drag this out to the bitter end as a proxy war against Russia, which they generally have feared and hated for decades.

Interview question and answers from former CIA officer and a US Colonel

Colonel Douglas MacGregor was a guest on the Tucker Carlson Show. His views on the war are strikingly similar to your own. Here’s what he said in the interview:

“The war is really over for the Ukrainians. They have been ground into bits, there is no question about that despite what we hear from our mainstream media. So, the real question for us at this stage is, Tucker, are we going to live with the Russian people and their government or we going to continue to pursue this sort of regime change dressed up as a Ukrainian war? Are we going to stop using Ukraine as a battering ram against Moscow, which is effectively what we’ve done.” (Tucker Carlson– MacGregor Interview)
I Agree, Zelenskyy & Billionaire Kolomoysky military has been stomped into the dirt

Colonel MacGregor is spot on, telling the truth regarding the situation at hand, as seen in his appearances on Fox Tucker Carlson

The only military operation left is the Western MSM propaganda, and it's dying a quick death as truth is flowing in the back channels

Russia has the sea and air, no military supplies in food, arms, or ammunition, are getting into the war zones, Zelenskyy and Kolomoysky are finished!
 
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Ukrane will never agree to be split in half. And the globalists want to drag out the war to weaken Russia.

Russia would be foolish to waste their hard earned victory. I suspect Russia will puppet part of them if they win, like Vichy France. And Annex the rest.
Putin isn't going to stop his campaign as the MSM propaganda claims, he has secured Mariupol and the Donbas, his major concerns in stopping the Ethnic Russian genocide

Russia needs to control Ukraine and its government, Crimea is Russias major Naval base, and they won't allow a future hostile government being between Moscow and Crimea, my opinion?
 
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Russia needs to control Ukraine and 8its government, Crimea is Russias major Naval base, and they won't gave and hostile influence between Moscow and Crimea, my opinion
Russia is never willingly going to give Crimea back to anyone. It is an important strategic position in the Black sea for unhindered access to the Mediterranean Sea, and Atlantic waters. Russia is in need of sea ports that dont freeze over in the winter, and it denies the area to NATO, which surely would have access through Ukraine. Russia has a similar issue in the far east with the Kuril islands in confrontation with the US bases and Japan.

Kuril Islands dispute - Wikipedia
 
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