UFO changed to UAP

[Randy Kluth]

Good exchanges here so far, and again I was just throwing out the idea of deceptions and perhaps a way to a centralized false Christ (aka Antichrist) one day. And one possible way these alien deceptions may come (i.e. "prepare people") is by starting with the acronym change. However, I can't say for sure how the whole thing will evolve. If it's true, it's in its infancy yet. That's my two cents.

I do think that all of the deceptions, collectively, are contributing to that one end, the empire of Antichrist. 1st draw the attention of Christians away from Christ to all kinds of scientific and supernatural phenomena, making them feel small for sticking with the "old rugged cross."

The world, more excited about the supernatural than God and church, will win the popularity contest, and the world will be won over. They will all follow what they believe to be the current fad, the "right side" of history. And they'll all wind up fighting each other and God at Armageddon, fighting over the world that really belongs to God.

 

[Curtis]

The Problem with All, Capitalistic + Industrial Nations, is that they ship a good amount of finances and resources away from their countries into other places...........most or all of the time that is financially and economically unprofitable.
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Of course they do. They skim money from all that overseas funding.

 

[liafailrock]

I do think that all of the deceptions, collectively, are contributing to that one end, the empire of Antichrist. 1st draw the attention of Christians away from Christ to all kinds of scientific and supernatural phenomena, making them feel small for sticking with the "old rugged cross."

The world, more excited about the supernatural than God and church, will win the popularity contest, and the world will be won over. They will all follow what they believe to be the current fad, the "right side" of history. And they'll all wind up fighting each other and God at Armageddon, fighting over the world that really belongs to God.

Good point to keep in mind.

 

[Truman]

The big lie:

I don't trust this self-promoting guy or anything that comes out of his mouth...period!

 

[Truth7t7]

The timing of the news about UFOs or UAPs is suspect. Just at the point where Biden and the Democrats have made a TOTAL HASH of everything and America is facing a very precarious situation, along come the reports about UFOs to distract the unobservant public from the real issues. This is misdirection from the top in my estimation.

Does the government really need to pour millions or billions or trillions into "researching" this phenomenon? Or is this another subtle attempt to divert funds from real issues into "woke" issues? That the Pentagon is behind all this is also thoroughly suspect, since they have publicly committed to Wokeism.

"[Leftist] Congress mandated ODNI to publish this unclassified report diving into the novel group’s progress via a provision buried into the more than $2 trillion coronavirus relief and appropriations bill signed by former President Donald Trump near the end of his tenure."

I agree, the timing in the news is nothing but a "Diversion" to the "Many" things presently taking place

Just a few mentions below

1) $Trillion$ steal the money for democrats budget
2) Hunter Biden laptop
3) Illegal immigrants flooding the US
4) NY Andrew Cuomo investigation dropped by the DOJ, with him killing thousands of elderly with his infected Covid mandates

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I think it's more accurate, considering most don't have any real idea of what these are.

There is a growing consensus that they are non-material, so, calling them objects could be misconstrued.

Much love!

People need to consider that they are either angelic or demonic appearances, chariots of fire, supernatural beings/objects that are not subject to physical laws. It has been reported that these UFOs move at high speeds and do sharp 90 degree turns all of a sudden. That would cause any ship to break into pieces if it was physical. Any living organism could not survive that either. But of course when Captain Kirk says punch It, the Enterprise travels at light speed in seconds. How realistic is that? Imagine one small floating rock in space hitting the ship traveling at light speed? Chekoff has got it covered though, they detected that rock a million miles ago and made adjustments - with the flick of a switch, it can now maniuver through asteroid belts with ease ... sure. Beam me back to earth Scotty to reality.
We all have seen too many Star Trek and Star War movies - they are far fetched sci-fi that will never happen. The closest star would take a ship going 100k mph for 74 years to get to. Mars is about as far as we will go unless it's a probe as we have already done. There is nothing out there. I am a Trekkie though, but it is not reality.

 

[GaryAnderson]

Why do they have to be demonic? Why can’t they be creatures like us looking for God too? Or Artificial Intelligence?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Why do they have to be demonic? Why can’t they be creatures like us looking for God too? Or Artificial Intelligence?

I take Genesis literally. The earth was created first (and I am a young earth creationist), the sun moon and stars were created on day four. So basically the universe was created for us, is young and just apoears old. We are situated within this solar system and galaxy in a place to accommodate us, to function and exist within the laws of physics that God created.
That said, the earth has a little more than 1000 years left, then God will destroy it along with the stars/ universe and all the other possible life sustaining worlds out there. This means there is no one out there. If there was, they have only existed for 6000 years and their clock is ticking. You might think, what a lot of wasted space?
What if He created a hundred billion worlds like ours with people , one for every galaxy? God would have to go through their history and work with them as He has with us. They would need a Savior and Jesus would have to go and die for their sins as He died for ours. But He couldn't - there is not enough time.
Besides, once you live one life on earth, that's enough - even for God.

 

[GaryAnderson]

I don’t take Genesis literally but I respect your views. I’m still trying to make sense of this large universe while acknowledging other ideas from science but I don’t doubt in any way the existence of God and that Jesus is our lord and savior.

 

[michaelvpardo]

This isn't a "Biden" thing. The government has been in agreement with fallen angels for a long time. And every president has been in alignment with the plan to bring in NWO and usher in the lawless one. Don't forget, Trump is the one who opened the new military branch ....the Space Force. Coincidence?? NO WAY!! Biden is just next in order to continue the plan.

Of course, there has been one exception....Kennedy, who was assassinated for veering from their plan.

JFK was Catholic and in the 60s Catholics were still forbidden to join Free Masonry. That was enough to make him an outsider to the administrative branch .

 

[michaelvpardo]

That isn't the point I would make, though--not that UFOs are the grand strategy by which to introduce global government. I don't think we're going to have a global govt. The world is divided against itself.

I do think, however, that the Antichrist, with his European confederation, is coming. He or his ways will be worshipped globally. But politically, he is an unchallenged superpower based in Europe, the region of the original Roman Empire.

We are to reject any and all false representations of God's Kingdom on earth. Until the last pagan power is crushed, the Kingdom of Christ will not yet be here, and we should reject it.

You'd be surprised how cooperative people will be when they're starving. Joseph, the son of Jacob, got all of Egypt to sell themselves to Pharaoh for no more than rations of grain. Famines are coming (some are already here.)

 

[Oseas]

This may or may not start a long conversation, but in these end times we are also seeing strange things in the sky (mostly). I find it interesting so that pilots are not stigmatized (and the same with military personnel) that they dropped the Unidentified Flying Object acronym to Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon. The latter is freely admitted to by government and yet it means UFO. In all fairness, UFO has become synonymous with aliens so it's almost like they are reinventing the acronym to broaden the meaning the way UFO originally was intended.

Thoughts?

Comments?

The material things are figures of spiritual things. The parables of JESUS are good examples. If you and many other "are seeing strange things in the sky (mostly) in this end of the times", it would be better if all were seeing the things NOT in the sky or in extraterrestrial space, BUT in the heaven, yeah, heaven, "from whence also we look for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself, understand?

JESUS said: John 6:v.38-39
For I came down from heaven (not from sky), not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that sent me. (*Oh where is Him?) And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which He hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Besides JESUS, what about Melchisedec? Hebrews 7:v.1 to 4
For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most High GOD, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.


(*Oh where is Him?)

Isaiah 40:v.21 to 23

21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?

22 It is He that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, (Oh He is very near of us) and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens (there are four heavens) as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.

Well, you know what the physical SKY is, but what for you is the heaven? How do you see or explain the difference?

 

[GaryAnderson]

Heaven to me is another dimension. It’s the reserved space for God and other divine beings.

 

[Oseas]

Heaven to me is another dimension. It’s the reserved space for God and other divine beings.

It is hard to associate your conceptions with the Scriptures above posted, and replied by you.

Then, in your imagination "heaven is another dimension, a reserved space for GOD and other divine beings". So why do the heavens... which now are, were kept and reserved unto fire?

On the other hand, John 1:v.1 reveals that "The Word is GOD". Do you believe, and understand this revelation? If so, in what dimension is the Word -i.e. GOD-, and what is the space reserved for Him to inhabit in?

By the way, GOD has not beginning, neither ending, He is from everlasting to everlasting time. JESUS is the beginning and the ending.

 

[Curtis]

This isn't a "Biden" thing. The government has been in agreement with fallen angels for a long time. And every president has been in alignment with the plan to bring in NWO and usher in the lawless one. Don't forget, Trump is the one who opened the new military branch ....the Space Force. Coincidence?? NO WAY!! Biden is just next in order to continue the plan.

Of course, there has been one exception....Kennedy, who was assassinated for veering from their plan.

Kennedy was killed for trying to eliminate the CIA after the bay of pigs fiasco.

It’s amazing anyone would accuse Trump, the ultimate outsider, of being in any globalist NWO plots or schemes, since the reason he was hated so much by corrupt criminal democrats and corrupt RINO republicans, is because he completely upset all their timeline and plans and ongoing schemes.

 

[Curtis]

It is hard to associate your conceptions with the Scriptures above posted, and replied by you.

Then, in your imagination "heaven is another dimension, a reserved space for GOD and other divine beings". So why do the heavens... which now are, were kept and reserved unto fire?

On the other hand, John 1:v.1 reveals that "The Word is GOD". Do you believe, and understand this revelation? If so, in what dimension is the Word -i.e. GOD-, and what is the space reserved for Him to inhabit in?

By the way, GOD has not beginning, neither ending, He is from everlasting to everlasting time. JESUS is the beginning and the ending.

Then there’s the fact that there are three heavens, with God dwelling in the third heaven - and the first heaven - the atmosphere- is what gets burned up in the future.

Outer space is the second heaven.

What the third heaven is, we don’t know - but given there are purportedly ten dimensions, we can’t say for sure the third heaven isn’t in a dimension we can’t see into in our fallen state - which would explain why we can’t see into the spiritual world of demons and angels, etc.

 

[Oseas]

Then there’s the fact that there are three heavens, with God dwelling in the third heaven - and the first heaven - the atmosphere- is what gets burned up in the future.

Outer space is the second heaven.

What the third heaven is, we don’t know - but given there are purportedly ten dimensions, we can’t say for sure the third heaven isn’t in a dimension we can’t see into in our fallen state - which would explain why we can’t see into the spiritual world of demons and angels, etc.

In my understanding GOD is in the heaven of the heavens.

We know that in JESUS GOD created the heavens: the first, the second, and the third, and the heaven of the heavens.

The third heaven will be established in this new millennium, and after the heaven of the heavens(after this millennium.

The question is: By whom does God planted the first and the second heavens according Isaiah 51:v.16?

The problem is: The heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against this day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men. Seeing then that all these things shall be DISSOLVED, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness? 2Peter 3:v.7and11

 

[Naomi25]

If you have access to prime video, I suggest you watch "close encounters of the fifth kind: contact has begun".
I found it fascinating that the featured player in this grand deception, Dr. Steven Greer, claimed to have a vision of the universe while traveling in space through "Astral projection " and heard a voice question him saying "Isn't the universe that the Lord created beautiful? " This same carnal minded "man of science" came to the conclusion that this voice was that of an extraterrestrial being travelling interdimensionally.
His new religion cloaks new age mysticism with a veneer of theoretical science, instantly making it acceptable to a public that rejects religion for science without having any real understanding of science at all.

Oh man…I saw this! My son is interested in the idea that there might, possibly be life somewhere in the universe, and, well, I don’t think our faith necessarily excludes the possibility of God doing something else somewhere else. Just because its not mentioned in scripture doesn’t mean it’s not there…the bible is for us, for our salvation. C.S.Lewis has had some good thoughts on this. Anyway…I do my best to steer my son towards thoughtfully grounded ideas in this arena. We sometimes like going on a “fact or fiction” mission. I came across this video on amazon prime and…thankfully, watched it first before getting him to watch it (which I totally didn’t after seeing it).
I was appalled! Talk about taking a leaf straight out of the new age, I couldn’t believe how much cross over there was, in language, in practice and experience. In the fact that Dr Greer thinks aliens are ‘interdimensional’ beings and that you are more likely to have a ‘spiritual experience’ with them, than a physical. I got a little bit sick, to be honest…the experiences he talked about were not unlike those who open themselves up to demonic or spiritual oppression…insane!
And…as much as I’ve mostly dismissed those who have been yelling that ‘aliens are demons’, this movie made me stop and go…maybe. Because if these ‘aliens’ are what Dr Greer says they are, without a doubt they are a spiritual being…and they are not of God…we connect with God through the Holy Spirit.
Which makes you wonder…why the ruse? But then….I’d wager that today…more people are probably accepting that aliens and UAP’s exist, than they’d admit that God exists.
So again…maybe. Nothing we, as Christians, I think, can really do but watch, be wise and prayerful…and not be deceived.

 

[GaryAnderson]

Heaven or God resides in the space outside of our universe, in another dimension or reality. That’s how I visualize it.
That’s how God created everything from nothing. From a higher dimension or reality.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Oh man…I saw this! My son is interested in the idea that there might, possibly be life somewhere in the universe, and, well, I don’t think our faith necessarily excludes the possibility of God doing something else somewhere else. Just because its not mentioned in scripture doesn’t mean it’s not there…the bible is for us, for our salvation. C.S.Lewis has had some good thoughts on this. Anyway…I do my best to steer my son towards thoughtfully grounded ideas in this arena. We sometimes like going on a “fact or fiction” mission. I came across this video on amazon prime and…thankfully, watched it first before getting him to watch it (which I totally didn’t after seeing it).
I was appalled! Talk about taking a leaf straight out of the new age, I couldn’t believe how much cross over there was, in language, in practice and experience. In the fact that Dr Greer thinks aliens are ‘interdimensional’ beings and that you are more likely to have a ‘spiritual experience’ with them, than a physical. I got a little bit sick, to be honest…the experiences he talked about were not unlike those who open themselves up to demonic or spiritual oppression…insane!
And…as much as I’ve mostly dismissed those who have been yelling that ‘aliens are demons’, this movie made me stop and go…maybe. Because if these ‘aliens’ are what Dr Greer says they are, without a doubt they are a spiritual being…and they are not of God…we connect with God through the Holy Spirit.
Which makes you wonder…why the ruse? But then….I’d wager that today…more people are probably accepting that aliens and UAP’s exist, than they’d admit that God exists.
So again…maybe. Nothing we, as Christians, I think, can really do but watch, be wise and prayerful…and not be deceived.

The bible tells us that there is other life in the universe. The heavenly host, not the physical stars but the spiritual beings are created living beings. God even calls some of them men as in the passage about lucifer. Our problem with perception is that most of humanity, including most of professing christianity, just doesn't believe scripture.