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Demons are not fallen angels. They are spirits. They enter the mind and take over one's thoughts.

Spirits are not created beings. They are the 3rd part of of the image of God given to the sons of God. Spirit, body, and soul. The body has sexual ability, not the spirit. There are spirits, because humans currently only have a body and soul. The spirit is in the presence of God. Unless a reprobate soul, turned the spirit into a demon. Demon possession is another human's spirit taking over a mind. There have been millions of reprobate humans over the last 6000 years. So millions of demons.

Demons as fallen angels or created beings is science fiction.

GOD did not create Satan, but an annointed Cherub that covereth; and have set him so: the Cherub was upon the holy mountain of GOD and he walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire, he was perfect in his ways from the day that he was created, till iniquity was found in him. Then GOD reduced the annointed Cherub to Devil.

And the multitudes of angels which followed the wicked Cherub, GOD reduced them all to demons.

Be careful, or get ready, because a multitude of false Christians, in all Christian hierarchy, preaching and spreading false doctrines and lies, and twisting the Word of GOD as the former Cherub did in the beginning, now, even now, once more, the invisible GOD - the Word - the Power - will cast them all in outer darkness for ever by His righteous Judgment in this great Day, the seventh and last Day, the LORD's Day, the seventh and last millennium.

Ephesians 1:v.3 - 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:


Revelation 12:v.9 to 12


9 And the great Dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven (Ephesians 1:v.3-whoso reads, let him understand), Now is come salvation, and strength, and the Kingdom of our GOD, and the Power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens(Ephesians 1:v.3, among others), and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the Devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


Philippians 3:v.20-21
20 For our conversation is in heaven (Ephesians 1:v.3); from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
 

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While I've witnessed unusual and unidentified lights in the sky, this last August 19th I saw something strange which looked technological rather than spiritual (though I wouldn't rule out angelic or demonic "technology").
I'd just had 5 trees cut down near my house and garage to afford some safety from falling dead branches and increase the visible open sky near my house. I lay down in the back of my pickup at dusk to watch for the first stars of the evening and suddenly noticed the most peculiar object nearly directly overhead and moving rapidly in a direction from roughly south to north. It moved too rapidly to get my phone and take a picture so I made a bit map image of the very simple form that I observed. Anybody seen anything like this? It reminded me of a TV remote that I own without the buttons and looked incredibly incongruous moving across the sky.

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While I've witnessed unusual and unidentified lights in the sky, this last August 19th I saw something strange which looked technological rather than spiritual (though I wouldn't rule out angelic or demonic "technology").
I'd just had 5 trees cut down near my house and garage to afford some safety from falling dead branches and increase the visible open sky near my house. I lay down in the back of my pickup at dusk to watch for the first stars of the evening and suddenly noticed the most peculiar object nearly directly overhead and moving rapidly in a direction from roughly south to north. It moved too rapidly to get my phone and take a picture so I made a bit map image of the very simple form that I observed. Anybody seen anything like this? It reminded me of a TV remote that I own without the buttons and looked incredibly incongruous moving across the sky.

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I haven't seen anything like what you just described, but a few months ago I did see something unusual.
Five of us had gathered one night in my stepson's backyard to play guitar and visit. We sat around a fire pit in chairs designed to make it easy to look up at the sky.
One guy had just finished a song and the anointing had us all laid back in our chairs, looking up at the clear, star-filled night sky. As we sat in silence, a triangle-shaped formation of what looked like three stars slowly moved across the sky to the area directly above us.
One by one they started blinking and one by one they disappeared. Caleb asked if we had seen it. We all said that we had. I think we were all a little stunned.
I've seen many videos just like what we saw that night on YouTube, where they were all said to be UFOs.
 
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This is where even those who "wish" evolution were true realized that the first 4 laws (including zeroth plus the 3) simply made anything except a "creation" impossible and gave birth to the "tweener" concept of "intelligent design" ( whatever that is)

In general terms on #1. "Technically" ( since matter cannot be created or destroyed) there could be no "dark matter" (insert sci fi definition here) there to make anything out of which kinda ends it right there. That's not even accounting that this "alleged" dark matter would be at a zero state (inert) so there could be no external "prime mover" ( spark) to light this fire.

Personally, I have been involved in numerous discussions on this with SME's who take the "other side" and to date not a single one has directly answered this conundrum to my satisfaction. They skirt it. I really cant tell you what "they say" because they wont "say". ( at least never on paper where I could quote it)

#2- IN THEORY ( assuming we get past #1) nothing is "mathematically impossible"- this "explosion" ( defined as a massive influx of energy changing various states) would have to magically transmute all kinds of stuff into all kinds of stuff without destroying it then all that stuff would have to self assemble into something that not only works together as an assembly of parts but with an entire eco system to support it. Then it would have to do it twice ( male and female) so it could perpetuate.

So, as a science proponent I would say its "mathematically" possible but the odds of it happening would make the number of cubic nanometers in the infinite universe look minuscule by comparison. (I wouldn't bet on it)
Mathematics are a human construct created to have real life applications. You can perform operations with the non quantity 0, but must observe rules of operation to avoid erroneous results. You can define the square root of a negative number as imaginary (i) and specify that the square root of a negative number is "i" multiplied by the real component, but even the definition of number systems as real, irrational, imaginary, makes the point that mathematics is a construct, not necessarily representative of anything that exists.
 

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I am wondering if they are not demonic at all but angels. I was watching a tv show where they were talking about how ufo’s had, at various times hovered above nuclear facilities and missile silos in the United States and shut them down for a short period of time. As if to stop any nuclear launches or to let us know they can shut it down. It was almost like they are concerned that we will use these weapons. Why would the demonic care if we blow each other up?
I think they took control of the missiles to display their power and intimidate! There are angels, for sure. Like the one my friend and I encountered. We lost an hour of time. Still haven't figured out where it went. It's like it was cut out of time. No memory at all. God's never done that to me, that I'm aware of.
 

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I think they took control of the missiles to display their power and intimidate! There are angels, for sure. Like the one my friend and I encountered. We lost an hour of time. Still haven't figured out where it went. It's like it was cut out of time. No memory at all. God's never done that to me, that I'm aware of.
I think I have encountered an angel in human form. Just showed up to help me with something that most people would not help me with.
 
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I think I have encountered an angel in human form. Just showed up to help me with something that most people would not help me with.
Sound like the kind of angel you want to meet. Perhaps a good Watcher. The one we saw was made out of pure light energy.
 

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Perhaps. The aliens everyone reports seeing look like owls. Owls seem to be a reference to evil in the Bible. Or they seem to inhabit places that are evil that are destroyed. Desolate places. The link below shows some baby owls standing up that my cousin sent me. It is terrifying!

https://www.reddit.com/r/nope/comments/osmo70/baby_owls/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
I have an owl piggy bank that belonged to my parents, on my table. It is a wise, old owl. They said that my dad had the wisdom of Job. Next to it is and owl cup. It looks uncannily like my mother. It also came from my parents. I miss my parents.
 

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While I've witnessed unusual and unidentified lights in the sky, this last August 19th I saw something strange which looked technological rather than spiritual (though I wouldn't rule out angelic or demonic "technology").
I'd just had 5 trees cut down near my house and garage to afford some safety from falling dead branches and increase the visible open sky near my house. I lay down in the back of my pickup at dusk to watch for the first stars of the evening and suddenly noticed the most peculiar object nearly directly overhead and moving rapidly in a direction from roughly south to north. It moved too rapidly to get my phone and take a picture so I made a bit map image of the very simple form that I observed. Anybody seen anything like this? It reminded me of a TV remote that I own without the buttons and looked incredibly incongruous moving across the sky.

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Speaking of the Holy Scripture and not of Astronomy, there is an infinite difference between "sky" and "heaven".

That said, Michaelvpardo, I would like to hear from you: How do you see the difference between sky and heaven according to the Word of GOD?

About the object you have seen, you know that there are billions or trillions of objects or corps moving in space, including thousands of satellites launched by men into space.
 

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I think they took control of the missiles to display their power and intimidate! There are angels, for sure. Like the one my friend and I encountered. We lost an hour of time. Still haven't figured out where it went. It's like it was cut out of time. No memory at all. God's never done that to me, that I'm aware of.

Hebrews 13:v.1-2
1 - Let brotherly love continue.
2 - Be not forgetful to entertain -to host- strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. (without knowing)

Revelation 1:v.1 - The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto Him, to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass; and JESUS sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John:

The Angel obeyed the command of JESUS and went to the isle of Patmos to meet John servant of the Lord, and geting there he placed not in front but behind John, according Isaiah 30:v.21 and Ezekiel 3:v.12.

Revelation 1:v.10-13 - And John heard behind him a great voice, as of a trumpet,
saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. And John turned to see the voice that spake with him. And being turned, he saw seven golden candlesticks; And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like -similar- unto the Son of man, ...

The angel did what JESUS commanded him to do, and after he ended his mission he said to John: Revelation 22:v.6 to 9:
These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. And John saw these things, and heard them. And when John had heard and seen, he fell down to worship before the feet of the angel - IN FACT, HE IS AN ARCHANGEL in likeness -SIMILAR-TO JESUS-which showed to John these things under the command of JESUS. Then the angel said unto John: See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship GOD.

The above angel-in fact an archangel-said to John : "Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book". - book of Revelation - The time has arrived of the manifestation of the above angel to fight against the red Dragon, the old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, in fulfilment of prophecies, in fulfilment of the Word of GOD: Daniel 12:v.1-3 and 1Thes.4:15-16 among others, and RESURRECTION of the dead predetermined for this current time. This will occur before JESUS coming and through the Archangel Michael. The Word is GOD.

By the way, the plagues and destruction of the DEVIL's WORLD already started and will continue for ever, because the chastisement of the wicked nations was predetermined for the current time, and the started punishment is for ever and ever, never more it will stop. THE WORLD OF DEVIL WILL BE DISSOLVED, DISMANTLED, BY ENTIRE, IN THE DAYS THAT FOLLOW, DAY BY DAY, BY THE WORD OF GOD.

The WORD is GOD.

Let all get ready
 

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I think they took control of the missiles to display their power and intimidate! There are angels, for sure. Like the one my friend and I encountered. We lost an hour of time. Still haven't figured out where it went. It's like it was cut out of time. No memory at all. God's never done that to me, that I'm aware of.
Could you explain in detail what you remember and why you believe it was an angel? Why would God not want you to remember a positive encounter? Losing time sounds like dissociation which happens during a traumatic event.
 

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There are good angels and there are bad angels.

Yes. Revelation 12:v.7 - 7 And there was WAR in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the Dragon (the red Dragon, the old serpent, called the Devil and Satan); and the Dragon fought and his angels.

The most important now is the position that each one will choose or from which side will he fight in this War: If it be in the side of the red Dragon, the old serpent called the Devil and Satan, or in the side of the archangel Michael, the fellowservant of the true Christians.
 

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Could you explain in detail what you remember and why you believe it was an angel? Why would God not want you to remember a positive encounter? Losing time sounds like dissociation which happens during a traumatic event.
It was a late summer's Saturday night. I was 15. I was at my best friend's house. I had to call my mother and ask if he could sleep over.
"Yes, he can sleep over, but I want you to promise to be here by 9:30, and mean it this time," she said. "Yes, mom, I promise we'll be there by 9:30 and I mean it this time." And I did.
We left my friend's at 9:05 for the 10 to 15 minute walk. As we walked down the street and neared the creek bridge, we heard a loud, buzzing noise, like a broken electrical transformer would make, coming from our left.
Looking up the creek and surrounding grassy area, we could see, a few hundred yards up and on the other side of the creek, what looked like a black light, except it was a lot bigger. We turned to our left and started walking up the grass beside the creek.
We went down the little hill to the water's edge, carefully stepped across the creek on stones so we wouldn't get wet feet, and climbed up the hill on the other side. We walk awhile more and stopped about 6 feet from a purple light that appeared to be about 6 feet high, a few feet wide at the top and about 3 or so feet wide in the center. You could see light rays shining off of it that were a few feet long.
Up in the sky, to our left, about 15 feet, was the source of the very loud buzzing noise, though you couldn't see it.
I could tell that if I were to touch the light in front of us, I'd get badly burned. It looked like pure light energy. The surrounding area was dark.
As we stood there trying to figure out what we were looking at, starting from the right side, in a straight vertical line, the color changed from purple to orange. The texture of the light remained the same.
I stood there, with my friend about 3 feet to my left, straining my eyes to understand what I was looking at. Then my brain put it together. I saw a human-shaped being, made out of light energy, looking me right in my eyes!
Terrified, I turned to my left and as I did so, my friend turned to his right, and for a brief instant, our eyes met. I saw the terror in his eyes that I felt. We ran and ran, down through the creek, getting soakers. We ran all the way back to the street and stopped.
Turning around, I saw that the light was still in the same place and had turned back to purple. The loud noise was still going on.
We tried for several minutes to get each other to describe what he saw before my friend gave in, and he described exactly what I'd seen.
Then he said that he wanted to go back. I couldn't believe it and said no. He started without me. He was my best friend and I had to go and try to stop him. We did argued about it until we got back to within 6 feet of it. I was terrified.
As we stood and looked at it, it disappeared, along with the noise. I said, "Good, it's gone, lets go." And we did.
We got to my mother's house and entered the side door. She walked into the kitchen and I said, "Hi, mom!" She started yelling at me, "You promised me that you'd be here by 9:30." I said, "I am, mom!" She stepped aside and pointed at the clock and said, "What does that say?" The clock read 10:30. We were an hour late! I was befuddled. I had no idea what had happened.
It was 1974. This happened just west of Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Several years later, late one winter's night, I saw it again. This time I stayed away from it. Each time, it was at the back of the backyard of a house.
 

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Yes. Revelation 12:v.7 - 7 And there was WAR in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the Dragon (the red Dragon, the old serpent, called the Devil and Satan); and the Dragon fought and his angels.

The most important now is the position that each one will choose or from which side will he fight in this War: If it be in the side of the red Dragon, the old serpent called the Devil and Satan, or in the side of the archangel Michael, the fellowservant of the true Christians.
In Jesus Christ, I am a son of the most high God! I'm on the winning side! Hallelujah! I like Mike! Lol
 

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Speaking of the Holy Scripture and not of Astronomy, there is an infinite difference between "sky" and "heaven".

That said, Michaelvpardo, I would like to hear from you: How do you see the difference between sky and heaven according to the Word of GOD?

About the object you have seen, you know that there are billions or trillions of objects or corps moving in space, including thousands of satellites launched by men into space.
I've seen satellites with both binoculars and telescope. They're typically too high to distinguish features with the naked eye and orbit much higher than the flight of commercial aircraft, while this anomaly appeared larger than the jets I see passing over from time to time. It's also very unusual for satellites to orbit South to North.

But regarding the abode of God, even the heaven of heavens is too large to contain Him ( from 1 Kings 8:27)
Having experienced a great deal of spiritual phenomenon of a fallen nature, it's clear to me that some aspect of heaven or hell is unseen here with us. I believe that God the Father only manifests directly in creation through His Spirit and His Son, yet being Spirit and present everywhere and throughout Eternity, He has made Himself known through His works, His Spirit, and His Son. When God is described in the Old Testament as the ancient of days in prophetic vision, that description is consistent with the description of the glorified Christ.
The physical sky is heaven and is described as such by scripture. Heaven outside of our atmosphere is still heaven, the abode of the heavenly host, and that host is described both as stars and as angelic creatures. Having some understanding of Astronomy and the evidences of the physical nature of stars, I've always assumed that they were representative of the spiritual host of heaven, and that the Angel's had some other unseen abode not of the physical universe. However, given the preponderance of evidence of extraterrestrial visitations with real psychic phenomena associated with them, I can't rule out the possibility of the physical heavens being the abode of physical angels that don't have earthly limitations. This isn't my idea, but was proposed by Eric Von Daniken in his book "Chariot of the Gods."
The bible isn't a text book on physical science, but the testimony of God regarding His Son, our Lord and Savior, Jesus the Christ. Consequently it does not reveal all the secrets of the universe and even addresses that point.
“The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law. Deuteronomy 29:29
There is no doubt in my mind that UFO phenomena have a spiritual element. The studies done by the USAF and scientists commissioned by them, when seen without the intentional disinformation and their declassified content, tell us that the "experts" recognized a psychic component to real UFO phenomena. Science uses the word psychic to imply a power of the mind, while faith understands that all power and authority comes from God.
If I were to tell you that I fully understood the bible's description of heaven, or its described divisions I'd be lying. However, my lucid dream of flying to the city of light, at the prompting of a still and quiet voice, was a direct flight from the atmosphere out into space. That could've been no more than the invention of my subconscious mind, but I can accept that a physical/spiritual city will descend from the "heavens" and come to rest on a mount to the North of Jerusalem, the same that Lucifer determines to ascend.
 
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