Trumps Executive Order On Illegal Immigrants Having Children In The US In Removing (Birthright Citizenship) Will It Stand?

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Will the children of illegal immigrants born in the USA have their citizenship removed?

14th Amendment Citizenship Clause:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
 

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Well he's extremely angry at the pastor who asked him to show mercy - he is demanding a apology for her sermon.His narcissism just could not accept it and he has taken it as a insult.

Blessed are the merciful they will be shown mercy.
 
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Well he's extremely angry at the pastor who asked him to show mercy - he is demanding a apology for her sermon.His narcissism just could not accept it and he has taken it as a insult.

Blessed are the merciful they will be shown mercy.
I don't believe President Trump can remove birth right citizenship, it's solidly engraved in 14th amendment of the US constitution

P.S. God doesn't have female pastors in his church, bishops/pastors are to be married men

In my opinion the female speaking was no more than a liberal activist wearing a costume

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Well he's extremely angry at the pastor who asked him to show mercy - he is demanding a apology for her sermon.His narcissism just could not accept it and he has taken it as a insult.

Blessed are the merciful they will be shown mercy.
Thank you for your opinion.

Since when is appropriate for a pastor to criticize the politics of a leader, who is sitting in the congregation? To Pray for all leaders, sure. She, however, was channeling her political anger, not a good look for someone in her position. Is church attendance declining? She is reason number 42.

Aliens are taking inappropriate advantage of civil-war era Amendments concerning the citizenship of newly freed slaves. Our President is right to call the legality of “anchor babies” into question.

Mercy? The threat will be deportation for illegal aliens (and their offspring) who break our laws. (There is a legal process for them to love/work in the U.S.) They will not be denied life or liberty without due process, which the previous administration carried out against citizens, with blessings from said pastor.

President Trump is not a Pharisee threatening woke pastors; he will defend her right to preach wokeness, but he needn’t put up with it in a church service.

Blessings.
 

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She must be confident that they will not find themselves subject to an FBI investigation for terrorism under this new administration, like has happened for a pro life Catholic church in Richmond. Under Obama speaking against the government might have cost them their 501c tax exempt status.
 

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Aliens are taking inappropriate advantage of civil-war era Amendments concerning the citizenship of newly freed slaves. Our President is right to call the legality of “anchor babies” into question.
You know Bob I really am thinking over the issue and the original time it was written, the founding fathers didn't have foresight of the airplane and modern travel

To think of the many foreigners that have flown into the United States on vacations or visits with the intent to have a child, with many times this being on the taxpayer, with the main goal for their child to have birth right citizenship in the US?

I was in a restaurant and overheard a Chinese man telling a story on how 36 family members entered the US from China, on one family college student who had a visa who became a US citizen under Obama's chain migration scheme, "36 associated family members" on one family member?

Is the US system under abuse, how can it be denied?
 

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Will the children of illegal immigrants born in the USA have their citizenship removed?

14th Amendment Citizenship Clause:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
I would hope it stands. I wouldn't think illegals,those who are criminals breaking the law through illegal entry into the U.S are then able to benefit from the law so to erase their former crime by giving birth in this country they are not legally entitled to be in


It is a privilege to enter a country. Not a right.
When you violate the privilege you should not have the right to benefit from that crime.
 
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I would hope it stands. I wouldn't think illegals,those who are criminals breaking the law through illegal entry into the U.S are then able to benefit from the law so to erase their former crime by giving birth in this country they are not legally entitled to be in


It is a privilege to enter a country. Not a right.
When you violate the privilege you should not have the right to benefit from that crime.
Yes such people play the Games, for that very reason, such as they should be easy revoked ! especially if such entry etc regardless is of a criminal intent.
 
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Will the children of illegal immigrants born in the USA have their citizenship removed?

14th Amendment Citizenship Clause:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
I read this great article about this from zerohedge. The 14A always included 2 requirements.
  1. Born or naturalized.
  2. Subject to the Jurisdiction of the US.
It was only in the last couple of decades that the Left has disregarded the 2nd requirement, which specifically excludes illegal aliens because they are not, being born or naturalized from another country.
 
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It's not that simple. Your question posses multiple dilema's. First of all, did our founding Fathers consider an invasion from a multitude of nations and Criminals and the Insane considered "grave" enemies of the United States, worthy of remaining in our country, and given; almost free housing, jobs, transportation, hospitalization, protection against deportation and if captured to be immediately released? Is that what you believe our founding Fathers and founding Documents truly state? No! and again I say NO!

Back in the day, on Ellis Island, if you even had a slight problem like glaoucoma, all persons in that family would be immediately deported, and if the rest of the family didn't like it, they could volunteer to return with those memebers effected. Children infected or not, would be made to return with their parents. NO IF'S AND'S OR BUT'S. GAME OVER. Unless someone can show exceptions, that is the LAW OF THE LAND. COME ON I.C.E.!
 
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It's not that simple. Your question posses multiple dilema's. First of all, did our founding Fathers consider an invasion from a multitude of nations and Criminals and the Insane considered "grave" enemies of the United States, worthy of remaining in our country, and given; almost free housing, jobs, transportation, hospitalization, protection against deportation and if captured to be immediately released? Is that what you believe our founding Fathers and founding Documents truly state? No! and again I say NO!

Back in the day, on Ellis Island, if you even had a slight problem like glaoucoma, all persons in that family would be immediately deported, and if the rest of the family didn't like it, they could volunteer to return with those memebers effected. Children infected or not, would be made to return with their parents. NO IF'S AND'S OR BUT'S. GAME OVER. Unless someone can show exceptions, that is the LAW OF THE LAND. COME ON I.C.E.!
I can't disagree, Im studying the issue and im now neutral on it possibly leaning towards President Trumps possible intent, the case law visited by SCOTUS in 1898 had four exclusions and being born to foreign enemies was one that the Trump Admin might use in a hostile occupation?

Perhaps Trump needs to prosecute Biden and his admin for assisting and abetting the enemy in allowing the hostile occupation? big smiles!

The "Only Argument" I can see regarding the 1898 ruling below would be a Trump Admin claiming "Enemy Forces Engaged In Hostile Occupation Of The United States Territory" will they pursue this possibly?

Exclusion: born to enemy forces engaged in hostile occupation of the country's territory.

Wikipedia: United States v. Wong Kim Ark

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), was a landmark decision[4] of the U.S. Supreme Court which held that "a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China",[5] automatically became a U.S. citizen at birth.[6] This decision established an important precedent in its interpretation of the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution.[4]

In a 6–2 decision[120][121] issued on March 28, 1898,[122] the Supreme Court held that Wong Kim Ark had acquired U.S. citizenship at birth and that "the American citizenship which Wong Kim Ark acquired by birth within the United States has not been lost or taken away by anything happening since his birth."[123] The opinion of the Court was written by Associate Justice Horace Gray and was joined by Associate Justices David J. Brewer, Henry B. Brown, George Shiras Jr., Edward Douglass White, and Rufus W. Peckham.[124]

Upholding the concept of jus soli (citizenship based on place of birth),[125] the Court held that the Citizenship Clause needed to be interpreted in light of English common law,[1] which had included as subjects virtually all native-born children, excluding only those who were born to foreign rulers or diplomats, born on foreign public ships, or born to enemy forces engaged in hostile occupation of the country's territory.[3][126][127] The court's majority held that the subject to the jurisdiction phrase in the Citizenship Clause excluded from U.S. citizenship only those persons covered by one of these three exceptions (plus a fourth "single additional exception"—namely, that Indian tribes "not taxed" were not considered subject to U.S. jurisdiction).
 
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I can't disagree, Im studying the issue and im now neutral on it the case law visited by SCOTUS in 1898 had four exclusions and being born to foreign enemies was one that the Trump Admin might use in a hostile occupation?

Perhaps Trump needs to prosecute Biden and his admin for assisting and abetting the enemy in allowing the hostile occupation, smiles?

The "Only Argument" I can see regarding the 1898 ruling below would be a Trump Admin claiming "Enemy Forces Engaged In Hostile Occupation Of The United States Territory" will they pursue this possibly?

Exclusion: born to enemy forces engaged in hostile occupation of the country's territory.

Wikipedia: United States v. Wong Kim Ark

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), was a landmark decision[4] of the U.S. Supreme Court which held that "a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China",[5] automatically became a U.S. citizen at birth.[6] This decision established an important precedent in its interpretation of the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution.[4]

In a 6–2 decision[120][121] issued on March 28, 1898,[122] the Supreme Court held that Wong Kim Ark had acquired U.S. citizenship at birth and that "the American citizenship which Wong Kim Ark acquired by birth within the United States has not been lost or taken away by anything happening since his birth."[123] The opinion of the Court was written by Associate Justice Horace Gray and was joined by Associate Justices David J. Brewer, Henry B. Brown, George Shiras Jr., Edward Douglass White, and Rufus W. Peckham.[124]

Upholding the concept of jus soli (citizenship based on place of birth),[125] the Court held that the Citizenship Clause needed to be interpreted in light of English common law,[1] which had included as subjects virtually all native-born children, excluding only those who were born to foreign rulers or diplomats, born on foreign public ships, or born to enemy forces engaged in hostile occupation of the country's territory.[3][126][127] The court's majority held that the subject to the jurisdiction phrase in the Citizenship Clause excluded from U.S. citizenship only those persons covered by one of these three exceptions (plus a fourth "single additional exception"—namely, that Indian tribes "not taxed" were not considered subject to U.S. jurisdiction).
Could Biden and company be prosecuted as you suggest? Wouldn't the SCOTUS decision prevent the president's prosecution for acts he committed while in office? Even those?
I wonder if Treason is covered by that ruling?
 

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Could Biden and company be prosecuted as you suggest? Wouldn't the SCOTUS decision prevent the president's prosecution for acts he committed while in office? Even those?
I wonder if Treason is covered by that ruling?
I don't know but it sounds deserving of Biden and his admin allowing the take over of America by foreign illegals many who are now declared terrorist enemies intentionally

Would the constitution's definition of "Treason" outweigh presidential immunity?

Did President Trump and his team initiate in his EO "Foreign Terroist" laying the groundwork for a case in the courts regarding birth right citizenship, possibly?

I'm looking at this in a new light now?
 

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I'm well aware of Biden's corruption, but Trumps Admin needs to establish that the illegal immigration is related to "Foreign Enemies"

Example: Maduro, George Soro's, Guatemala's President helped pay for busses, shelter, and food, emptied jails, mental institutions, assisted drug cartels, etc for the mass illegal immigration?

It's my position now that this will be president Trumps claims in the soon coming court battles
 

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FACT SHEET: President Donald J. White House

Trump Protects the States and the American People by Closing the Border to Illegals via Proclamation

January 22, 2025



I'm well aware of Biden's corruption, but Trumps Admin needs to establish that the illegal immigration is related to "Foreign Enemies"

Example: Maduro, George Soro's, Guatemala's President helped pay for busses, shelter, and food, emptied jails, mental institutions, assisted drug cartels, etc for the mass illegal immigration?

It's my position now that this will be president Trumps claims in the soon coming court battles
I'm sure President Trump will find a way ferret out the facts and bring justice to all involved.
 

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I'm well aware of Biden's corruption, but Trumps Admin needs to establish that the illegal immigration is related to "Foreign Enemies"

Example: Maduro, George Soro's, Guatemala's President helped pay for busses, shelter, and food, emptied jails, mental institutions, assisted drug cartels, etc for the mass illegal immigration?

It's my position now that this will be president Trumps claims in the soon coming court battles
Witness are evidence. The Number of Captured illegal dangerous Criminals released into our country will provide the proper Probable Cause all by itself. The weapons they illegaly obtain to commit crimes is another "Real Evidence factoid". The underground mechanism used to easily provide these member criminals a place of operation to plan their take overs is another Factoid that proves that big, big, big money is behind this entire open border thing. Obama was behind selling guns to our enemies - the Cartels, through "Fast and Furious" operation. Now we can open an investigation to see if Biden picked up the trail during his term in office.

There is a LOT that Trump will do to determine if the DNC was a party to this as much as they were with Hillary's Steele Dossier. All Trump has to do is get a blue tick hound to follow the money. He'll find as many underground tunnels as they found in Israel.
 
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Witness are evidence. The Number of Captured illegal dangerous Criminals released into our country will provide the proper Probable Cause all by itself. The weapons they illegaly obtain to commit crimes is another "Real Evidence factoid". The underground mechanism used to easily provide these member criminals a place of operation to plan their take overs is another Factoid that proves that big, big, big money is behind this entire open border thing. Obama was behind selling guns to our enemies - the Cartels, through "Fast and Furious" operation. Now we can open an investigation to see if Biden picked up the trail during his term in office.

There is a LOT that Trump will do to determine if the DNC was a party to this as much as they were with Hillary's Steele Dossier. All Trump has to do is get a blue tick hound to follow the money. He'll find as many underground tunnels as they found in Israel.
I Can't disagree and now lean towards Trumps position after research, there were 4 exclusions in the 1898 ruling by SCOTUS and children of foreign enemies was one of them

I agree with your position that it won't be hard to build a case surround the things you mention, also other actors funding the migrants

A bonified attempt to take over American soil by releasing criminals, mental patients, on and on
 

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First of all, did our founding Fathers consider an invasion from a multitude of nations and Criminals and the Insane considered "grave" enemies of the United States, worthy of remaining in our country, and given; almost free housing, jobs, transportation, hospitalization, protection against deportation and if captured to be immediately released? Is that what you believe our founding Fathers and founding Documents truly state?
As a student of history, I must set the record straight. The Founding Father's added the religiously significant #12 Amendments to the Constitution, The famous 10 Bill of Rights and 2 others.
11th: Judicial Limits of Jurisdiction​
12th: Choosing POTUS & VP.​
After the disastrous Revolution of 1800, where Congress voted over 2 dozen times before Hamilton famously turned against his own party member, Aaron Burr, and threw support to his life long opponent, Thomas Jefferson.​

The next 3 were added 4 score and 7 years later, after the War of Northern Aggression.
13th: Ended slavery.​
14th: Equal Protection Under The Law.​
Longest Amendment and there is serious doubt it ever legitimately passed.​
15th: Gave Black men the privilege/duty/entitlement to vote (I don't say "right" because its not)​
Still restricts right to vote to the new class of citizens of the USA.​

The purpose of the "born in" and "subject to" phrase was to prevent the States from denying the freed slaves were citizens. This is very important usurpation of federal power. Until then, people were citizens of the States. This Amendment established a new class of citizen. Indeed, it established dual citizenship, hotly debated at the time: citizen of the State AND citizen of the USA.

Regarding Judicial philosophy, 2 dominant schools of thought have emerged. "Living Document," which I abhor, means the meaning is allowed to change over time, preferred by Leftists who see the Constitution as an obstacle to achieve their agenda. "Original Intent" is the Conservative philosophy. It is clear the original intent of the 14A applied to recently freed slaves NOT to illegal immigrants.

Therefore, no change to the Constitution is needed for Trump to enact his policies. The "Living Document" philosophy, dominant over the last few decades has been replaced with the Trump era appointees of "Original Intent." Of course this will be challenged in court. Everything Trump does will be resisted by the Left in every way possible.
 
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Will the children of illegal immigrants born in the USA have their citizenship removed?

14th Amendment Citizenship Clause:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
It will have to be decided by SCOTUS. the question is does this amendment apply to people who are here illegally and does that felony allow children to be citizens under teh 14th amendment.

The context of the amendment was far different than the question of illegal immigrants. But slaves forcibly brought here or legal immigrants.