Trump vying for Greenland and Canada

[Wrangler]

The delusion is strong with you.

Yes, you are right about that one.
Shows you how the Christian world is being fooled.
In scripture It is predicted this would happen.

Always, God's anointed are abused by the religious establishment. The most Pro-Life President in American history is not acting contrary to God's will, Thou Shall NOT murder!

 

[Lizbeth]

Trump is the greatest POTUS since the Founding Fathers. I was his top 1% of donors and told him many times that I am with him to the end, no matter what end.

He is anointed by God and proof is the miracles. First, defeating the witch in 2016 who had 8x the money and 8x the staff.

2nd miracle, in front of the whole world that Providence prevented the forces of darkness from taking his life. His reaction was epic and showed the awe inspiring greatness of the man. The picture of him with fist in the air, yelling ‘fight! fight! fight’ is already mythological, at the level of raising the flag over Iwo Jima. Trump is my President and I love him and will die for him.

oh dear, it sounds like you are making him out to be a god. That's concerning.......guard your heart there brother, reign in your emotions. Our hearts are always being tested in this life. Remember it is the Lord who chooses and "anoints" all kings of the earth for His sovereign purposes, whether they are good, bad or a mixture of both, etc. He is the King of all kings. Shouldn't HE get the glory, at all times?

 

[Lizbeth]

Always, God's anointed are abused by the religious establishment. The most Pro-Life President in American history is not acting contrary to God's will, Thou Shall NOT murder!

Nobody is abusing anyone here, just pointing out the obvious. It says something that the church takes such a self-righteous stance against abortion while tolerating and covering up the sin that leads to it, namely fornication.

 

[MA2444]

Because people have physical needs that need to be met. Shaming that nature as fleshy or what does not reflect Christ who constantly tended to people’s needs; healed the sick, made the lame walk, gave sight to the blind, cured diseases.

I don't think you are making sense. It sounds like you are saying that we should worry about our material needs. What we will eat, what we will wear...

Then you start saying Christ constantly tends to people's needs. So which is it?

Matthew 6:
25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof..../KJV

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So if Christ tends to all our needs then we only need to (spiritualize) and look to Jesus first. Is this not right?

Would you like to hear my personal testimony about how I had needs but no means and I thought about praying for help, but before I did I remembered this scripture so I thought oh, so I don't even have to pray about this need, so I didn't pray for it!
And you know what happened? The Lord answered the prayer (that I did not pray!) within 30 minutes!
Because I stood on His word in faith rather than pray...

It's a great testimony! Want to hear it?!

 

[MA2444]

oh dear, it sounds like you are making him out to be a god. That's concerning.......guard your heart there brother, reign in your emotions. Our hearts are always being tested in this life. Remember it is the Lord who chooses and "anoints" all kings of the earth for His sovereign purposes, whether they are good, bad or a mixture of both, etc. He is the King of all kings. Shouldn't HE get the glory, at all times?

Lizbeth gets it!

Is Wrangler over-spiritualizing Trump and under-spiritualizing the Lord our God?

Careful Brother!

 

[Wrangler]

Nobody is abusing anyone here, just pointing out the obvious.

"Here" meaning the online forum? Christians who avoid political responsibility are abusing those led by Christian principles. Neglect may be more precise but it is just a form of abuse.

While Trump got a higher % of the evangelical vote than any candidate in history, there are some Leftist clergy that abuse him, starting with slander.

It says something that the church takes such a self-righteous stance against abortion while tolerating and covering up the sin that leads to it, namely fornication.

Fornication is not in the 10 Commandments.

 

[Wrangler]

I don't think you are making sense. It sounds like you are saying that we should worry about our material needs.

You keep twisting what I'm saying. I don't recall Jesus ever saying to people who came to him to be physically and materially healed, "don't wory about your material needs."

I provided the Scripture. If James 2:14-17 does not speak to you, so be it.

 

[MA2444]

Fornication is not in the 10 Commandments.

But it's in the law of the Lord that is written on my heart. So do I go get laid or not? I'm saying no! Whether it's in the 10 commandments or not!

 

[Lizbeth]

"Here" meaning the online forum? Christians who avoid political responsibility are abusing those led by Christian principles. Neglect may be more precise but it is just a form of abuse.

While Trump got a higher % of the evangelical vote than any candidate in history, there are some Leftist clergy that abuse him, starting with slander.


Fornication is not in the 10 Commandments.

Oh-oh, here come the false accusations and justification for sin. I'm sad for you Wrangler.

 

[MA2444]

You keep twisting what I'm saying. I don't recall Jesus ever saying to people who came to him to be physically and materially healed, "don't wory about your material needs."

I provided the Scripture. If James 2:14-17 does not speak to you, so be it.

Oh come on Brother. Talk to me about this. You know a lot about women, but we're talking about the Lord now, and you said it is an ugly thing to over-spiritualize the Lord.

I asked you to explain that, and you wont. Why not?

 

[MA2444]

"Here" meaning the online forum? Christians who avoid political responsibility are abusing those led by Christian principles. Neglect may be more precise but it is just a form of abuse.

While Trump got a higher % of the evangelical vote than any candidate in history, there are some Leftist clergy that abuse him, starting with slander.

You seem to be dodging the subject or at the least the convo!

What about the Christians who are avoiding their spiritual responsibilities by focusing on the world and it's people who neglect all aspects of the spiritual world and our Lord, calling it, over-spiritualization! Did the Lord not say to seek the Kingdom of God first? To seek Him, the Lord, first in all things?

How is that ugly over-spiritualization?

 

[MA2444]

Fornication is not in the 10 Commandments.

Excuse me Brother, but there are a heck of a lot more than 10 commandments in the Bible!

All you have to do is pick it up and read it! It's full of Commandments !! Would you like some examples?

 

[Lizbeth]

You keep twisting what I'm saying. I don't recall Jesus ever saying to people who came to him to be physically and materially healed, "don't wory about your material needs."

I provided the Scripture. If James 2:14-17 does not speak to you, so be it.

He being God was meeting those needs, while demonstrating Who He was/is. We need ears to hear for all these things. We're told to seek those things which are ABOVE. Most of us are more double-minded than we realize and have been trying to serve both God and mammon at the same time, me included. This is an UP-ward call and we need to come up higher.

This world runs on greed and self-interest, that's its gas, and its source is the god of this world. The powers that be are Godless, deceived, self-serving, and have no scruples. They just are always working to get away with whatever they can get away with. See why we are to be in the world but NOT OF it?

 

[Wrangler]

you said it is an ugly thing to over-spiritualize the Lord.

I asked you to explain that, and you wont. Why not?

I don’t know how you inserted ‘the Lord’ into this. My statement is many Christians are over-spiritualized, ignoring the soulful needs of the body.

You bear false witness in claiming I did not explain it to you for I quoted James 2: 14-17 for the 3rd time now. I guess these verses have no practical application in your mind. So be it.

here come the false accusations and justification for sin. I'm sad for you Wrangler.

Huh?

 

[Wrangler]

Did the Lord not say to seek the Kingdom of God first?

I’m not going to do laps with you on ground already covered.

Just because I have material needs does not mean I don't put God first. Jesus put God first but also focused on people's material needs.

 

[Wrangler]

He being God was meeting those needs

As if that what James 2:14-17 says; do nothing to meet the soulful, physical, material needs of others, wait on God.

Honestly, this exchange disgusts me! Scripture tells us to seek, knock and ask - not be over spiritualized, passively do nothing while people’s needs go ignored.

 

[MA2444]

He being God was meeting those needs, while demonstrating Who He was/is. We need ears to hear for all these things. We're told to seek those things which are ABOVE. Most of us are more double-minded than we realize and have been trying to serve both God and mammon at the same time, me included. This is an UP-ward call and we need to come up higher.

This world runs on greed and self-interest, that's its gas, and its source is the god of this world. The powers that be are Godless, deceived, self-serving, and have no scruples. They just are always working to get away with whatever they can get away with. See why we are to be in the world but NOT OF it?

Me too. it takes some reorganizing in my mind to look to the spiritual all the day long. I started inviting the Lord with me everywhere, even to the Supermarket! If I remember right, every time I asked him should I buy this? That? He has always said no. Then I put it together and just ask Him to protect my eyes while I am in the grocery story from what I should not see. And stuff like that. You know what I found out? It is not hard to look to the spiritual while in the world.

So it's not a over-spiritualization that is happening to Christianity, it is an under-spiritualization. The time is here to worship in spirit and in truth.

 

[MA2444]

I’m not going to do laps with you on ground already covered.

You havent done any laps yet. Only thing you did was to put up a banner! And it is slightly skewed whether you want to admit it or not.

So no one can ask questions of you Brother? That's odd.I asked you to expound on what you meant in my first post to you this morning. You dodged it! You wouldn't expound in the least.

 

[MA2444]

What? How can that be? Ugly? Over-spiritualization of Christianity abandons the soulful needs of people? How can that statement possibly be true. Oh, please expound on that one brother!

Because I see the truth as..."Only in spiritualization of Christianity showing itself, would it address the soulful needs of people..."

With the spiritualization of Christianity being only fancy talk for "Relationship with Jesus"

Right?

Here again the ugly over-spiritualization of Christianity shows itself, abandoning the soulful needs of people.

The purpose of business is to make money, profit. On this, we are all of the same religion. The purpose of government is security. Thus, business economics and government are bedfellows.

Of course we as a free nation should be proud of success! Success comes AFTER thinking through the elements to achieve success. Enter Greenland.

There is no Christian virtue that opposes any of this for Christ said to give into Caesar what is Caesar’s.

Ok so it was yesterday I first asked. But I responded to your first paragraph of this post with (the post above it, I got em mixed up quoting them in order lol).

Will you please explain what you meant? (Because you have not yet!)

 

[Lizbeth]

As if that what James 2:14-17 says; do nothing to meet the soulful, physical, material needs of others, wait on God.

Honestly, this exchange disgusts me! Scripture tells us to seek, knock and ask - not be over spiritualized, passively do nothing while people’s needs go ignored.

That's not what we are saying here. God's wisdom is that we "may use the things of this world" as long as we don't set our hearts on them...not be putting our trust in things of this world, idolizing or coveting. Use them for our needs or to meet needs of others. If you happen to live in a democratic country and in all good conscience you believe one political candidate will do good for the country I believe you may advocate and vote for them, that is just a practical thing of hiring someone to administrate. But that is not where our trust and reliance is to be, is it? It's not what we are to set our hearts on.