This is why most believe that Jesus is a Man/Son and not God.

[face2face]

Dug a little deeper?:

Isa 42:13 "The LORD Shall Go Forth As A Mighty Man,
He shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: He shall cry,
yea, roar; He shall Prevail against His enemies.​

Lets assume Grace underlined "A mighty man" to think this verse is saying God will reveal Himself as a Mighty Man literally which of course reveals the same trap @Taken fell into. Grace also try's to link this verse to Isaiah 9 which we will leave for now.

This is a good teaching moment and reveals why it's important to read Scripture in context.

What we have in Isaiah 42:13-14 is one magnificent simile where God is both mighty warrior and a woman in the throes of labor.

Now I know Grace, Taken or Johann are not for a moment going to suggest God here is a literal Man or a Woman in child birth, but lets assume "anything is possible", with those who try to force trinitarian dogma on the record and as tiresome as this is getting, we will restore the integrity of this text also.

For God to relate to His people, it was common for Him to be described in human terms, yes, in both male and female genders i.e The Lord will march out like a mighty man, like a warrior he will stir up his zeal; with a shout he will raise the battle cry and will triumph over his enemies. “For a long time I have kept silent, I have been quiet and held myself back. But now, like a woman in childbirth, I will cry out, I gasp and pant.”

You see Grace failed to read the Scripture in context and @Johann you are equally as guilty by approving whatever you thought Grace was trying to prove from Isaiah 42:13.

Can you all please take more care with the Word of God and not force man-made notions on it.

Please.

 

[Taken]

@face2face your badgering to answer your questions are noted AFTER you avoided a response to questions.

Tsk tsk.

 

[face2face]

@face2face your badgering to answer your questions are noted AFTER you avoided a response to questions.

Tsk tsk.

Good you are still here Taken.

 

[Taken]

Lets assume Grace underlined "A mighty man" to think this verse is saying God will reveal Himself as a Mighty Man literally which of course reveals the same trap @Taken fell into. Grace also try's to link this verse to Isaiah 9 which we will leave for now.

This is a good teaching moment and reveals why it's important to read Scripture in context.

What we have in Isaiah 42:13 is one magnificent simile where God is both mighty warrior and a woman in the throes of labor.

Now I know Grace, Taken or Johann are not for a moment going to suggest God here is a literal Man or a Woman in child birth, but lets assume "anything is possible", with those who try to force trinitarian dogma on the record and as tiresome as this is getting, we will restore the integrity of this text also.

For God to relate to His people, it was common for Him to be described in human terms, yes, in both male and female genders i.e The Lord will march out like a mighty man, like a warrior he will stir up his zeal; with a shout he will raise the battle cry and will triumph over his enemies. “For a long time I have kept silent, I have been quiet and held myself back. But now, like a woman in childbirth, I will cry out, I gasp and pant.”

You see Grace failed to read the Scripture in context and @Johann you are equally as guilty by approving whatever you thought Grace was trying to prove from Isaiah 42:13.

Can you all please take more care with the Word of God and not force man-made notions on it.

Please.

You attempting to prove your understanding by making accusations against others is a well know juvenile tactic. Laughable as is the ignorant behavior of juveniles.

Isaiah IS filled with True Facts and Prophecy.
A great deal of Prophecy Foretold IN Isaiah has come to Pass.
The True Facts have not changed.
If you missed the Prophecy having been Fulfilled, that is your problem, not mine.
If you did not grasp the True Facts, again that is your problem, not mine.

 

[face2face]

You attempting to prove your understanding by making accusations against others is a well know juvenile tactic. Laughable as is the ignorant behavior of juveniles.

Isaiah IS filled with True Facts and Prophecy.
A great deal of Prophecy Foretold IN Isaiah has come to Pass.
The True Facts have not changed.
If you missed the Prophecy having been Fulfilled, that is your problem, not mine.
If you did not grasp the True Facts, again that is your problem, not mine.

Lets allow the evidence of truth to stand against your gross misuse of Scripture. One of two things will happen, you will either post less because you are spending the time to read carefully what you think the text is saying, or you will keep making the same error over and over. Time will tell.

 

[MatthewG]

But for us, There is one God, the Father, by whom all things were created, and for whom we live. And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created, and through whom we live.
1 Corinthians 8:6

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[Johann]

You see Grace failed to read the Scripture in context and @Johann you are equally as guilty by approving whatever you thought Grace was trying to prove from Isaiah 42:13.

Can you all please take more care with the Word of God and not force man-made notions on it.

Please.

You are the one reducing the high and lofty Christ Jesus to a mere creature on this platform, you and those that hold the same doctrines.
You need to wake up, sense your need of a Savior, the great God and Savior Jesus Christ and be sealed with the Holy Spirit.
What are you dancing around in Isaiah for, you don't understand what you read since you read with the wrong lenses, in the desperate attempt stick to Unitarian or Arian viewpoint.
J.

 

[face2face]

You are the one reducing the high and lofty Christ Jesus to a mere creature on this platform, you and those that hold the same doctrines.
You need to wake up, sense your need of a Savior, the great God and Savior Jesus Christ and be sealed with the Holy Spirit.
What are you dancing around in Isaiah for, you don't understand what you read since you read with the wrong lenses, in the desperate attempt stick to Unitarian or Arian viewpoint.
J.

What's at stake now is your integrity Johann. Why can't you come out and say I got Isaiah 42:13 wrong also?

 

[Taken]

Lets allow the evidence of truth to stand against your gross misuse of Scripture.

Again...you making accusations against others, is JUVENILE.

Wise up.
State exactly what you Believe and desperately trying to PROVE.

State exactly what you Believe.....cuz it’s been lost among all your juvenile accusing.

 

[amigo de christo]

As you so rightly say Jesus didn't make it difficult. If one is a genuine and sincere follower of Jesus you will understand things that others do not because the Holy Spirit has revealed the truth.

 

[face2face]

Again...you making accusations against others, is JUVENILE.

Wise up.
State exactly what you Believe and desperately trying to PROVE.

State exactly what you Believe.....cuz it’s been lost among all your juvenile accusing.

We already proved your use of Isaiah 42:8 was in error; now we are showing Grace's use of Isaiah 42:13 is also in error. Here's the kicker Taken, if all three of you continually misquote Scripture, what does that say about your beliefs? What is the foundation upon which you think you know God and His Christ?

 

[Taken]

What's at stake now is your integrity Johann. Why can't you come out and say I got Isaiah 42:13 wrong also?

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong....you want to be told and hear that...?
Go seek out BOL!
LOL...that’s his MO.

 

[face2face]

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong....you want to be told and hear that...?
Go seek out BOL!
LOL...that’s his MO.

Nothing funny about misquoting Scripture Taken.

 

[Jim B]

The OP says "this is why most believe that Jesus is a "man son" and not God.

Disregarding what a "man son" is, I always wonder how anyone arrives at the conclusion about what "most" believe. I sincerely doubt that they have polled the majority of Christians! The only conclusion I can come up with is the unspoken "but I am all-knowing and am here to correct the masses' ignorance".

 

[Johann]

Now I know Grace, Taken or Johann are not for a moment going to suggest God here is a literal Man or a Woman in child birth, but lets assume "anything is possible", with those who try to force trinitarian dogma on the record and as tiresome as this is getting, we will restore the integrity of this text also.

Who is going to be our Judge?
The Father, or Christ Jesus?

In John 1:1
Who was WITH/PROS Whom?

J.

 

[face2face]

Who is going to be our Judge?
The Father, or Christ Jesus?

In John 1:1
Who was WITH/PROS Whom?

J.

What's the point is continuing the conversation when you consistently misquote Scripture and then deny you did? How many time's Johann do you think it excusable?

 

[Johann]

Lets assume Grace underlined "A mighty man" to think this verse is saying God will reveal Himself as a Mighty Man literally which of course reveals the same trap @Taken fell into. Grace also try's to link this verse to Isaiah 9 which we will leave for now.

This is a good teaching moment and reveals why it's important to read Scripture in context.

What we have in Isaiah 42:13-14 is one magnificent simile where God is both mighty warrior and a woman in the throes of labor.

Now I know Grace, Taken or Johann are not for a moment going to suggest God here is a literal Man or a Woman in child birth, but lets assume "anything is possible", with those who try to force trinitarian dogma on the record and as tiresome as this is getting, we will restore the integrity of this text also.

For God to relate to His people, it was common for Him to be described in human terms, yes, in both male and female genders i.e The Lord will march out like a mighty man, like a warrior he will stir up his zeal; with a shout he will raise the battle cry and will triumph over his enemies. “For a long time I have kept silent, I have been quiet and held myself back. But now, like a woman in childbirth, I will cry out, I gasp and pant.”

You see Grace failed to read the Scripture in context and @Johann you are equally as guilty by approving whatever you thought Grace was trying to prove from Isaiah 42:13.

Can you all please take more care with the Word of God and not force man-made notions on it.

Please.

What bible version are you reading from?

J.

 

[Johann]

What's the point is continuing the conversation when you consistently misquote Scripture and then deny you did? How many time's Johann do you think it excusable?

So you are conceding? Cannot answer two simple questions?
Shalom LaChem chesed panav Elohim
J.

 

[Johann]

What's the point is continuing the conversation when you consistently misquote Scripture and then deny you did? How many time's Johann do you think it excusable?

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Singular or plural?
J.

 

[Johann]

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Singular or plural?
J.

εσμεν
G2070
V-PXI-1P
εἰμί
we are....I and the Father...WE ARE ESMEN!
J.