There is no such thing as “Judeo-Christian”

[Deus vult]

Really folks. The phrase Judeo-Christian values or tradition is easily found on the internet. Here is an example:

“Judeo-Christian” is an oxymoron. Jews reject Jesus as the son of God, Christians do not.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

He was a Jew, but he wasn’t Jewish. His glory eclipses him being a Jew, in fact. Or I’ll put it this way: it’s not exactly in the Jew’s best interest to reject Jesus.

In reality Jesus was the real Jewish ! the rest were not worthy of being Jewish apart from the Gods Prophets and the Jews who were worthy of Holy Moses who when Jesus went to Heaven that they became Born again and the first Christians !

Any Jew who rejected Jesus as the Christ is not worthy of being a worthy Jew in regards God in fact ! They were vomited out of the Land in fact ! for they rejected God in fact ! for they were lead astray by the Anti-Christ !

Even Christians who are not truly born againe, Saved ! are Anti-Christ in fact for they are Lost !
Just look at the history of all of the Christian Priest who are not worthy of Christ Jesus at all ! It was the same same deal with the Jews befor Christ Jesus, not all were worthy of the OT ! just as it is nowadays clearly most christian Priest are not worthy of the NT in fact at all ! for they have another Jesus ! just as it was with the leadership of the Jews in the OT.
That's why Jesus says, that he never knew you ? for such people are only Religious period ! for they are not Saved ! Only Christ Jesus Saves ones Soul ! one is transformed that their is a great gulf between what one once was in fact, to now of the truly Born again !
For one was of this world that is full of deceptions and delusions ! and to one who is of the Kingdom of God in fact ! Such is as one in Christ Jesus and he in you ! so he knows you !

True worthy Christians are not looking for your Race to Save you ! ones Race never Saved anyone period ! that's a fact ! even the Jews could not Save themselves ! People who think that the Jews are to be idolised are kidding themselves ! try reading the OT and one will find out that such just does not cut it in fact ! it never did in fact ! for if that Saved one then you would not need a Saviour and everyone does need a Saviour who is Lord Jesus period ! or one is nothing ? not worthy of the Kingdom of God in fact ! it's a simple as that !

Why would the Saved look to one who is Lost ! For they are of this world ! that is full of deceptions and delusions.

 

[Wrangler]

Except he didn’t actually believe in the monotheist God of Abraham

There is no exception and there is no evidence of what you claim. Jesus was a Jew, who is the Jewish Messiah and there is no evidence he ever stopped being Jewish. Hence, Judeo-Christianity.

You seem to be arguing in denial of the evidence. The NT references the OT many times. You cannot delve into Judaism without touching on the Messiah and you cannot delve into Christianity without delving into Judaism. Hence, Judeo-Christianity has been around for millennia.

 

[Taken]

There is no such thing as “Judeo-Christian”

How could there be? The Jews reject Jesus …

Judeo-Christian is ABOUT two “races”…
Jew / Gentile (in agreement of Accepting the SAME ONE Heavenly Creator God OF the Jews)

Glory to God,
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to the same extent that Muslims do, so much so that there’s plenty of footage of Jews spitting on Christians in Israel. Jesus is either the savior or he’s not, there’s no in-between. The same goes for Messianic Jews (also known as Christians.) If there can be Messianic Jews, then there can be Messianic Buddhists and Messianic Hindus, and Messianic Muslims. Of course, none of those make any sense…so why should Messianic Jews be different from being Christian?
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[Pearl]

So can there be messianic Buddhists and messianic Muslims as well? Followers of Christ who still hold onto Islamic and Buddhist traditions. Believing in Christ as the messiah makes all the difference in the world, it eclipses any prior traditions of that person. Isn’t it so?

Buddhists and Muslims were not promised the Messiah, so no. But they can become Christians. The traditions of Buddhists and Muslims wasn't ordained by God so hopefully would be abandoned by converts from those faiths.

I have a book by a Jewish woman who became a follower of jesus and married a Church of England vicar. She still embraced her Jewishness whilst also allowing the Holy Spirit to guide her.

 

[Ritajanice]

Jews don’t recognize Jesus as the son of God though. It’s one or the other, just like one cannot be both a Buddhist and a nudist.

That’s interesting, I never knew that, where did you get your source of information from?

 

[Deus vult]

That’s interesting, I never knew that, where did you get your source of information from?

The Jewish religion of Judaism is just the Old Testament or Torah. Like the Muslims, they don’t acknowledge Jesus to be the son of God. Any source comparing Judaism and Christianity will tell you that. It’s self evident, it would be like asking, “What’s your source that the New Testament is about Jesus?”

 

[Deus vult]

There is no exception and there is no evidence of what you claim. Jesus was a Jew, who is the Jewish Messiah and there is no evidence he ever stopped being Jewish. Hence, Judeo-Christianity.

You seem to be arguing in denial of the evidence. The NT references the OT many times. You cannot delve into Judaism without touching on the Messiah and you cannot delve into Christianity without delving into Judaism. Hence, Judeo-Christianity has been around for millennia.

It’s logic. Jesus is already God incarnate, he doesn’t need to believe in God. Being Jewish is more than just biological, it’s also believing in the oneness of God like the Muslims do. You said “Jesus was required to believe in the God of Abraham” but that’s irrelevant because Jesus knew he was God, did he not? Judeo-Christianity is a myth. This is straight from the Jerusalem Post:

There is no ‘Judeo-Christian’ tradition

Judaism and Christianity both claim to be true, but they have rival versions of the truth.

www.jpost.com

Yes the NT refers to the OT, but just because it does, it does not make them the same. The OT by itself is the Torah (the Pentateuch) which is central to Judaism. Apples and oranges.

 

[Wrangler]

It’s logic.

Then you invoke an illogical argument of Circular Reasoning.

 

[Deus vult]

Buddhists and Muslims were not promised the Messiah, so no. But they can become Christians. The traditions of Buddhists and Muslims wasn't ordained by God so hopefully would be abandoned by converts from those faiths.

I have a book by a Jewish woman who became a follower of jesus and married a Church of England vicar. She still embraced her Jewishness whilst also allowing the Holy Spirit to guide her.

 

[Cyd]

To me Christ gave instruction that was not followed by people. If it was followed we would have synagogues full or mixed with believers in the Messiah. Doesn't Matthew 23 tell them where and what church to follow, even also being believers?

Matthew 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

It goes on with more instruction.. not to call them Rabbi etc.. so this was given to the multitude following him. They did not do what Messiah instructed them to do. Why?

The traditions plus the reading of scriptures must have been important to Messiah with all this instruction to stay... but be believers. If this would have been followed we would have a totally different religious system I think.

 

[Pearl]

I don't watch videos.

 

[Deus vult]

Then you invoke an illogical argument of Circular Reasoning.

And the same can be said when we, Christians, use the Bible to validate the Bible when debating atheists. The fact of the matter is that even though the Bible uses circular reasoning (which is not a bad thing), so do you. We can agree that circular reasoning does not strengthen an argument. However, we can also agree that circular reasoning does not make a claim immediately false, either. Circular reasoning does not affect the truthfulness of a truth claim. If a claim really is true, especially if it comes from its source, wouldn’t it only be fitting, natural, and expected for the source to affirm its truthfulness about itself? It would only be strange if it did not. Isn’t it strange if your real mom didn’t affirm herself as your real mom? Wouldn’t it be strange if God didn’t affirm Himself as God? What did Jesus say that he’s so famous for? I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. How did he know? Because he is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

Another point. How do you know I invoke an “illogical argument of circular reasoning”? Isn’t it because of your logic and reason? If yes, then why do you believe your logic and reason is true? It would be because of your logic and reason. And voila, there it is: now we’re both relying on circular reasoning.

Now we are starting to come back full circle, no pun intended. At the very bottom of every worldview is the affirmation of itself. And even more so, whatever you put at the bottom of a worldview has to be taken at faith. I presume that you would proclaim that you are a follower of Jesus, correct? As a Christian, you should know that in the end you are placing your faith-not your logic, in Jesus.

As you already know from recent, I was atheist for about 11 years. I’ve been in countless debates revolving around recognizing logical fallacies in arguments Christian apologists have made, rather than strictly resorting to amateur-level strawman and ad hominem argumentation like most people do. In fact, you probably had so many debates with atheists that you started looking at the logical aspect of argumentation as a way to speak their language when future debates would arise in hopes of being more persuasive than your typical Christian or theist. Don’t think that I don’t know you turned this discussion towards the logical aspect of argumentation to feel out where I stand when it comes to academic-style logic and critical thinking, which is why I fully embraced the angle you took with this post. I want to make you aware in case you didn’t know that you cannot solely rely on the “seemingly logic-based argumentation style” like many atheists would like to believe. Everyone has faith, and everyone uses circular reasoning. The difference is that atheists are simply stuck in denial of this fact and you, should not be…given that you follow Christ.

The main question, therefore, is not, “If it claims to be true, does it use circular reasoning?” The ultimate question is, “Is its own affirmation about itself legitimately founded so that it’s most reasonable to believe in and submit to?” Truth does exist. It can be discovered. It’s waiting to be. It doesn’t depend on our acknowledgment and admission. And at the end of the day, it will defend itself. St. Augustine once famously said, “The truth is like a lion. You don’t have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself.”

 

[Wrangler]

The fact of the matter is that even though the Bible uses circular reasoning (which is not a bad thing), so do you.

Assertions are not arguments.

 

[Deus vult]

Assertions are not arguments.

That’s an assertion.

 

[GracePeace]

How could there be? The Jews reject Jesus to the same extent that Muslims do, so much so that there’s plenty of footage of Jews spitting on Christians in Israel. Jesus is either the savior or he’s not, there’s no in-between. The same goes for Messianic Jews (also known as Christians.) If there can be Messianic Jews, then there can be Messianic Buddhists and Messianic Hindus, and Messianic Muslims. Of course, none of those make any sense…so why should Messianic Jews be different from being Christian?

"Judeo-Christian" seemingly refers to the shared agreement on the moral validity and authority of the Old Testament texts. In that sense, there is a "Judeo-Christian".

On the other hand, yes, there is no "Judeo-Christian", because they are "displeasing to God, and hostile to all men" (1 Th 2:15), and they seek to persecute us as Ishmael persecuted Isaac (Gal 4:21-31)--and "Judeo-Christian", in that light, is obviously a deception meant to allow them to cozy up to us long enough to gain what ever they can from us, pretending to be friendly, until they can be positioned to destroy. No different than the Muslims. They're also both antichrist.

"What friendship can light and darkness have?" They do not like us any more than they can get something out of us, and, after they're done with using us, they will immediately, without thinking twice (except maybe to rejoice), toss us aside, emptied of all our substance.

I don't think it's Christ's vision for our lives, however, to build a life revolving around this one particular reality. Life before God is so much more.

 

[GracePeace]

Wrong! He was born a Jew under that law, required to believe in the monotheist God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He is the Jewish Messiah and there is no evidence he ever stopped being Jewish.

Oops! He was crucified for humiliating the leaders of Judaism, rejecting their religion and authority (Mt 15)! They couldn't bear Him stripping them of the praise and honor. Their Judaism wasn't true to Scripture Jesus submitted to!

So, no, Jesus, though "King of the Jews", was not, in that sense, a "Jew"!

 

[GracePeace]

I don't think it's Christ's vision for our lives, however, to build a life revolving around this one particular reality. Life before God is so much more.

Paul, who knew this reality better than any of us, didn't spend his whole life harping on this one thing--AND he LONGED for the Jews' salvation.

Too many people who recognize this truth are hateful toward Jews. That is not right.

Stephen's last words were "Lord do not hold this sin against [the Jews stoning me to death]!" If we can't have that attitude--love your enemies--something is deadly wrong.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Paul, who knew this reality better than any of us, didn't spend his whole life harping on this one thing--AND he LONGED for the Jews' salvation.

Too many people who recognize this truth are hateful toward Jews. That is not right.

Stephen's last words were "Lord do not hold this sin against [the Jews stoning me to death]!" If we can't have that attitude--love your enemies--something is deadly wrong.

Yes, for they know not what they do !