There Ain’t No Way This Guy Is Saved......Right?

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What is the objective goal of faith?

To love God and to love others by and through the spirit of Adoption / Spirit of Christ in placed in our heart from God; that is received by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ in which a person calls out to Abba, Father!

This was my thought but could be wrong, I don’t know.
 
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cos you can’t


I ain’t falling for your bait...

I’ve done it so many times over the years I’m simply bored with it and I know it’s a waste of time....if you think that is some kind of excuse .......words can’t express how little I care.....

You’ve bought the Romanist Pablum hook, line and sinker.....A Lucky few Brain - washed Romanists get Saved “Despite” their False Religion.....Christianity is the Opposite of Religion........If God opens your eyes to that fact, there may be hope for you.....
 

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"Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me. I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation." (Psalms 119:98-99)



I’m pretty sure David wrote that ......News Flash ! ......you ain’t David .
 
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"Practice these things, immerse yourself in them, so that all may see your progress. Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers." (1 Timothy 4:15-16)




THAT’S OUT OF CONTEXT! Lol....
 

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Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works



All of these things ( great in their proper place) are the elements of a False and Perverted “Gospel”..... Believe these false additions to the True Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing and you are “ Fallen From Grace”...... Teach them and you are ACCURSED......Read Galatians 1: 8 and Galatians 5..... come back and show the world that I am wrong.....good luck
 

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HAHA@ Bol's disclaimer.... Exposing anti-Catholic lies online for 18 years... WOW... What a credential!!!

I am perhaps the most avid anti-Roman Catholic person in these forums... but rather than have my CAT FIGHT in
public... I am petitioning FATHER to EXPOSE and bring to LIGHT....every single lie and perversion that is hidden within the Roman Catholic
Church.

I believe the world is in for a very RUDE awakening to what this institution actually IS and REPRESENTS.

Heavenly Father... Thank you for your TRUTH... Thank you for your RIGHTEOUSNESS... and Thank you for your WISDOM.
I pray that all the darkness within the Roman Catholic church be fully EXPOSED for all the world to see... I pray that all perversion from within
this institution be discovered and DECLARED. I pray for TRUTH to RISE and REIGN... I pray this in JESUS MOST HOLY NAME.
 
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PLEASE.....PLEASE .....PLEASE......

My Main Reason for starting this thread was to come up with ANYTHING that was NOT OSAS vs NOSAS!

Take that debate someplace else....I’m Sick Of it for now....Surely , I am not alone .....

I am asking if this man has shown enough evidence ( scant though it is ) to prove that he is Saved.....PLEASE limit these discussions to that subject.....thanking you all in advance.....BB...
I'll be honest. I don't think anyone but God can truly know a person's heart. So, is he saved or not? I don't know, I'm just a man, struggling with my own sins at times, but believing in the promise that salvation is based on belief, not perfection. I do think faith will always result in works of some sort at some point.
 

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GOOD MORNING ALL... What a beautiful day.... My beach day is sadly cancelled due to RAIN coming in... However... it's all good.

Anyways.... This is a service announcement... our friend BB is on a diet.... and well... you will have to perhaps be a bit more patient than usual with him because he's kind of... well.... grumpy... SO... as they tell you at the zoo.... Please DO NOT FEED the animals... or in this case... just one animal.
The forum fridge is filled to the top with VEGGIES.... every kind of veggie under the sun... and I put in extra brussels sprouts because those are his favorite.

@Michiah-Imla ... I would appreciate if you do NOT mention our wee pizza party this morning... as that won't go over well... and you guys will be stuck with a SUPER STUMPY BB.

Have a lovely day everyone.
 
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"Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me. I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation." (Psalms 119:98-99)



It sure does! I am so good at destroying your man made teaching with the word of God that it reduces you to crying “THAT’S OUT OF CONTEXT!”

Get into the scriptures and allow them to reform you from error sir!

"Practice these things, immerse yourself in them, so that all may see your progress. Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers." (1 Timothy 4:15-16)

only the apostles have authority from Christ to teach Matt 28.19
 

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I ain’t falling for your bait...

I’ve done it so many times over the years I’m simply bored with it and I know it’s a waste of time....if you think that is some kind of excuse .......words can’t express how little I care.....

You’ve bought the Romanist Pablum hook, line and sinker.....A Lucky few Brain - washed Romanists get Saved “Despite” their False Religion.....Christianity is the Opposite of Religion........If God opens your eyes to that fact, there may be hope for you.....
How do you “get saved”??? Pray tell
 

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You’ve bought the Romanist Pablum hook, line and sinker.....A Lucky few Brain - washed Romanists get Saved “Despite” their False Religion.....Christianity is the Opposite of Religion........If God opens your eyes to that fact, there may be hope for you.....
LOL @ Romanist Pablum... They substitute Jesus with the Sacraments... and even then... they don't have the guarantee that they are saved.
 

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LOL @ Romanist Pablum... They substitute Jesus with the Sacraments... and even then... they don't have the guarantee that they are saved.
Neither do you! Matt 24:13

Jesus provides the sacraments as the means of grace unto salvation

Sacraments instituted by Christ for the salvation of souls!

Not by “faith alone”
“Faith alone” not biblical
“Faith alone” never given in prophesy in the OT.
You may think “Accept Jesus Christ as you personal Lord and savior” is biblical but there is no such verse in your bible!

Faith and the sacraments in the church founded by the authority Christ on Peter and the apostles is biblical!

Faith and baptism is the biblical initiation into the new covenant and member is Christ and His holy church!
Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

You cannot enter a covenant by “faith alone” must be a ritual outward sign!
Faith and baptism! Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

Merits of christ’s passion, death, and precious blood are applied in the sacraments! Jn 1:16

Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Matt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Lk 1: 72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 1:18 & Jn 10:16 one fold

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Christ and His church are one: acts 9 why persecute me?

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


Sacraments are the fruit of the sacrifice!
The holy sacrifice of Christ, His passion, blood, and death producing unlimited fruits of divine grace, actual and sanctifying grace! Jn 1:29 Jn 1:16-17 Jn 10:10


The promise (sacred oath or sacrament) of the Father acts 2:38-39 with reference to ez 36:25-27 Also a mystery
Mk 4:11 Eph 5:32 eph 6:19 1 Tim 3:9 3:16 Col 1:27 2:2 4:3

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.

Heb 7:21 For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
(Oath = sacrament)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. Based on Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


A promise is a sacred oath or sacrament!
Baptismal regeneration is the promise of the Father for union in the new covenant!

The church and the seven sacraments are necessary for salvation

Better covenant on better promises

2 Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Life of supernatural grace merited by Christ in His passion and death!

An oath to sacramental life in the new covenant in union with the mediator and communion with God, and the saints!

Promise of the Father acts 2:23-39
Promise is an oath and an oath is a sacrament! This promise of the sacrament of baptism refers to ez. 36:25-27

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)
 

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LOL @ Romanist Pablum... They substitute Jesus with the Sacraments... and even then... they don't have the guarantee that they are saved.
The first person to espouse the idea of “once saved, always saved” was John Calvin in the mid-sixteenth century. Even Martin Luther didn’t subscribe to the theory. Prior to Calvin, the unanimous consent of the early Christians was that a person is capable of losing his salvation by committing mortal sin, as John spoke about in 1 John 5:16–17.
Sacraments don't "substitute Jesus". That notion is absurd.

There is, in the Catholic vision of reality, a profound understanding of the impenetration of matter by grace which we call the Incarnational principle. The Incarnation of God the Son as Jesus Christ is the bedrock which underlies the Christian vision of the relationship between God and man. In assuming a human nature, God demonstrates at once that creation, including human nature, is not only good but is capable of being further elevated through the impenetration of the Divine life.

This is the basis of the entire sacramental system, which uses outward (material) signs to transmit to us a share of God’s life, from the initiation of the believer’s journey in Baptism to its conclusion in Anointing of the Sick. It is the basis of the Church, a visible society which itself serves as a living connection between God and man, a sort of meta-sacrament for the transmission and embodiment of grace. It is even the basis for all of society, which begins with a proper understanding of matrimony, which St. Paul tells us is a model for the relationship of Christ and the Church. For in matrimony a man and a woman join in a profound sanctifying union of both body and spirit, a union which is both faithful and fecund, generating new life.

This understanding of the goodness of creation, of matter, of humanity and of human joys and aspirations—and the lesson that this goodness is designed to be further filled, animated and elevated by the love of God—is so central to God’s plan that Christianity begins and ends with it. It begins with God’s self-emptying of glory as He takes on human flesh and it ends in the Resurrection of the glorified Christ, who henceforth forever retains His identity as man.

It ought to be obvious to just about everybody that no other religion incorporates this particular (and particularly profound) understanding of the relationship of nature to nature’s God. Every human philosophy inevitably makes too much of nature or too little, and sometimes both at once, as in modern secularism which sees nature as all and so ignores that to which it points. What may be surprising, however, is that even among Christians those who have doctrinally fallen away from Rome have largely lost the unique and special wholeness of this Christian vision. Thus, from its beginning, Protestantism has been preoccupied with what it regards as the depravity of human nature, its radical incapacity for goodness, its reliance on grace as on something which supplants man’s nature rather than penetrates it.

Here we find the cause of Protestantism’s inability to understand the importance of works to salvation, which led Luther to revise Scripture and declare the letter of St. James to be apocryphal. Here also we have the root of Calvin’s notion that some are predestined for heaven and others for hell by nothing but the arbitrary will of God. Nor are we surprised to find Protestant sects which have outlawed the celebration of Christmas itself, distrusting the human values and human joy which Christmas both represents and fulfills. Indeed, from the point of view of nature, Protestantism must be described as a very thin, a very incomplete religion.

By contrast, Catholicism flowers in nature, transforming and elevating not only man himself but man’s culture. The astonishing achievements of Catholic culture over two millennia—in art and literature, sculpture and architecture, education and government, work and play, fast and feast—are one and all rooted in the Incarnational principle. The sense that the human body is itself a repository of grace, a temple of the Holy Spirit, fosters a unique Catholic mode of being in which the mind and spirit are never alone, never cut off. Rather man worships God in his body, and carries all of nature beyond itself in the quest to fulfill the very end of religion, which is for all creation to give glory to God.

Not in the abstract, then, is Catholic salvation worked out, but in the concrete; not in the general, but in the particular. The Catholic vision is not one of being “attached” to Christ, but of “putting on” Christ (Gal 3:27), not one of merely receiving an external gift, but of living the Christ life deep within—so that I live, no not I, but Christ lives in me (Gal 2:20). Each virtue is cultivated, each habit transformed and elevated, each relationship purified, each work ennobled. And the power for this continuous transformation is nourished—no, actually ingested—and formed into community through the Eucharist, the Word quite literally made Flesh, the Body and Blood really and actually present, not in figure or even in grace alone, but in its very substance.

Every Catholic is called to a life-long process of incorporating (I choose the word advisedly) his whole self, body and soul, into Christ, and not only his self but his loves, his labors, his own small creations, and the entire world over which he has been given dominion. This project, in which no detail is neglected or flattened, and no element lost or discarded, is unique to Catholicism. As I have said, it is a project rooted in the Incarnational principle. But even the Incarnational principle is not so much explained as demonstrated, not so much taught as lived. It was lived first by Christ Himself, born of Mary and protected by Joseph, in Bethlehem, in a stable, in a manger—and so at length in us.
Why Be Catholic? 8: Incarnation | Catholic Culture
 

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What is the objective goal of faith?

To love God and to love others by and through the spirit of Adoption / Spirit of Christ in placed in our heart from God; that is received by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ in which a person calls out to Abba, Father!

This was my thought but could be wrong, I don’t know.
Well, yes, in a sense.

Our goal is to be with God in eternity. That is our ultimate goal. HOW we do that is by serving Him - and HOW we serve Him is by serving others (Matt.25:31:46). We cannot serve God if we abandon that responsibility because He is in every person we serve.
This is not a simple "fruit" or result of faith - but an essential element of faith.

Too many people believe in belief alone because they read verse like Rom. 10:9 and ignore the rest of Scripture which calls for faith working in love and obedience (Gal. 5:6, Matt. 7:21, Matt.25:31:46, 1 Cor. 13:1-13, James 2:24).
Belief alone is not faith (James 2:19).
Faith = Belief + Works (obedience).
 

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OH boy...Lots of action here... I just got 2 notifications... LONG posts... same quote....
I just came in to give you guys the heads up that BB is on a diet.... so sorry... like I said... I am channelling my HATRED for the CATHOLIC
church to PRAYER... It's much more pleasant that way.
 

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Saved? Explain

Jn 15:1 abide in me
Mk 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.