The world has been “made right” in front of God.
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After all things have been made new, humans will exist, but there will be no more curse of death. As long as we live in a world where sin, and death through sin still exists, the world is not right with God. And shall never be until the Kingdom of God is complete, and Christ comes again.
The tree of life is partaken of by whosoever believes in Christ and no others. Man must hear of the Spirit of Christ to overcome death and have part of the tree of life. The tree of life is not for those who have NOT the Spirit of Christ, because without the Spirit man cannot hear what the Spirit says. Because the way to the tree of life is blocked from all who remain in unbelief.
Revelation 2:7 (KJV) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Genesis 3:22-24 (KJV) And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
John 3:5-7 (KJV) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Spiritually, there is no more sorrow, no more grief or pain. I simply do believe today we live under a new administration compared to what the people of that day did live under, which was what Jesus was born under, the law, which the people of Israel had to repent of breaking, not only this but the killing of the Son of God.
It's up to you what you have believed all your life, I agree with people being born again. It happens every day when someone chooses faith, and to look towards God, and in turn the holy spirit he gives them, helps them love God and love others. I do not accept Jesus Christ has coming back soon today, as the Revelation admittedly states "these things must soon take place."
Therefore I do see Jesus having paid for the sins for all the world, and saving the world, and allowing God in Christ to reconcile the world back unto himself, and all enemies have been placed beneath the feet of Jesus, and Jesus has handed all things back to the Father and is no longer sitting at the right hand.
Jesus retrospectively comes quickly still today, in the hearts and minds of believers, who accept his death, burial, and resurrection, and if the spirit of Christ is within them, so be it.
People call me a person who preaches a false gospel of satan and everything else. That is their choice. In the end what matters is faith, and love, and I believe there continues to be only way to the Father, which is by and through the Lord Yeshua. His death, burial, and resurrection. Some people don't even know Jesus but they have faith in God, and that is something to behold as well. No one can stop God from giving his spirit otherwise they limit God, and are on behalf speaking for him which to me is a sin/idolatry. Where they are the mouth speaker for God and control what he can and can not do.
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While I do believe people who may not know everything about Jesus and they look to God in faith, he by his choice will give them the Holy Spirit, and in the end of life come to know the one whom had gave them new life. Many people out there believe this an unbiblical concept, however God is not...
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The verse is not referring to Christ' second coming. John tells us that which must shortly come to pass is the revelation of Jesus Christ, through the message preached of the testimony of Jesus Christ. The revealing of Jesus Christ unto whosoever has ears to hear the Spirit of Christ began to come to pass from the time Christ walked the earth a man (soon/shortly), just as John has written. It is through the revealing of Jesus Christ through the power of the Word (gospel preached) and Spirit that the spiritual Kingdom of God has been built and is being built.
Revelation 1:1 (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Revelation 1:2 (KJV) Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Even we who have Christ's Spirit, having been born again still experience sorrow, grief and pain. This comes through our flesh, and is the reason that every living, breathing creature is destined to physical death. As long as we are clothed in these bodies of flesh and bone, we shall all suffer in this life. This shall continue to be the lot in life for mankind until the spiritual Kingdom of God is complete and Christ returns the second time to make all things new again.
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I believe it does, I believe it relates to Jesus Christ and his coming. I believe the Revelation is something which has to be taken as a whole and not ripped into pieces or shreds.
Revelaton 3:11 I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take away your crown.
If he didn't come, we might as well just throw the revelation away, in my best estimation but that book is quite fascinating and a great book to restore our hope in Jesus having come and made all things new today, that now everyone can get to God if they so choose, and that hell is done and over, Satan is done away with, and with all this God has set up a place for unbelievers and believers in the Heavenly Realm, one on the outside and those coming into the city.
I believe it does, I believe it relates to Jesus Christ and his coming. I believe the Revelation is something which has to be taken as a whole and not ripped into pieces or shreds.
Revelaton 3:11 I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take away your crown.
If he didn't come, we might as well just throw the revelation away, in my best estimation but that book is quite fascinating and a great book to restore our hope in Jesus having come and made all things new today, that now everyone can get to God if they so choose, and that hell is done and over, Satan is done away with, and with all this God has set up a place for unbelievers and believers in the Heavenly Realm, one on the outside and those coming into the city.
Not only do I know with blessed assurance that Christ has not yet come again, and is coming a second time, I anticipate that day with great joy and expectation knowing then there shall no longer be anymore sorrow or death for in that day, we have this great expectation:
Revelation 21:3-5 (KJV) And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Revelation 21:3-5 (KJV) And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
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That's fine, with me. I love you nonetheless. When I read those things I see them as having happened, and are achieved spiritually. Not materially as some people believe. That may just be the difference between me and you. I believe that God is with us today, in our hearts, by the holy spirit and it's not some material place. The reason why is because even Jesus stated "My kingdom is not of this world."
Did not Jesus Christ come quickly, or without delay/suddenly/unexpectedly the moment you believed and were born again of His Spirit! We won't need to hold fast to what we have or fear losing our crown when Christ comes the second time. When all things have become new again, we have no more doubting or fear.
Revelation 3:11 (KJV) Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
Revelation 3:11 (KJV) Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
Jesus has come and is coming for ALL who believe! It is according to grace through faith that one comes to Christ for everlasting life, and He shall lose none of those ordained to eternal life! And none who in this life remain in unbelief shall be saved through Him!
I believe that good and evil people live in this world. Many people wonder if the end times are coming, and there are those who simply seek retribution. I can't help what people do. All we can do is guide them to keep faith in God and look towards him. People who want to understand eschatology, will seek to do so. I am not even very good at it, but I am not just gonna give in and state, "Jesus is coming back" today, because it would be untrue. Though today, he does (spiritually) come to those whom look towards his Father, and to him. That is something I can't deny, but in that day in age when Jesus was going around, he proclaimed that an end would come, and some would see him coming through the clouds in that day in age when the material Jerusalem would be destroyed and that "world" which they lived in did finally come to a desolation with the Wrath of God being poured out among them, along with Satan being done away with, and even the White Throne judgement having happened, wrapping up the new heavens and new earth for all people to live on today.
Dan Clarkston
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Don't forget that God's Word is Truth...
That's false doctrine... unbelievers will be suffering in the eternal fires of hell right along with their father the devil.
Jesus says those that go to hell will burn in fire that shall NOT be quenched into everlasting punishment
Mark 9:43-44 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
2 Thessalonians 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Texts like Jude 6, Matthew 8:12, Matthew 22:13, and Matthew 25:30, and 2 Thessalonians 1:9 show that darkness signifies a state of deprivation and distress, not of destruction in the sense of ceasing to exist. Only those who exist can weep and gnash their teeth, as those banished into the darkness are said to do. Luke 16:22–24 shows that fire signifies continued existence in pain as Revelation 14:10 with 19:20 and 20:10, and Matthew 13:42, 50, confirm this.
Another good case against annihilationism is ”And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever” in Rev. 14:11.
Who would dare to claim Jesus Christ lied to us about hell???
Dan Clarkston
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Limited atonement is false doctrine taught by the unrepentant murder John Calvin
Romans 8:29,30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children
Romans 1:19-21
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)
God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)
God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)
Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)
In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.
Ive heard the teachings of John Calvin. I don't believe that his teachings are true, but if people believe in the tulip, so be it. This is why I created this thread here. Doctrine doesn’t matter as much as love
I get it-we must "love all, offend none" and compromise on the Scripture and Messiah's Imperatives.
J.
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