The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

[Ritajanice]

The Israel of God is the body of the Lord Jesus Christ. His body consists of all the elect who have died, from the beginning, and all the elect who are alive now and all the elect who have not been born yet.

The Born Again have been grafted into Israel, they are the Born Again.

The elect are those who have been Born Of God’s seed.

We are all in His body right now, but we don't know each together because we a re separated by time and space

, but Jesus is outside of time and space so He sees the whole of human history from the beginning to the end in the present.

God sees the beginning ......from the beginning to the end,



A Born Again has been grafted into the true vine.

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15 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

 

[Ritajanice]

I'm not sure what you mean by, "I'm 100% born of Gods seed" I didn't know that it was possible to be 70% born of Gods seed

I know 100% in my spirit, that I am Born Again, as the Holy Spirit resides there, witnessing that truth to my heart/spirit all day.

That’s why our spirit must be birthed into the Spirit of God, His Spirit witnesses Gods truth ..he testifies Of God’s truth to our spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:3​

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3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost

. I always understood being born again as being quickened to life from a state of being born dead in sin. I never saw it as a process where one is partially born and then fully born on the completion of the process.

The way I understand it, you are either dead or alive.

You understand being Born Again very differently to my understanding of it.

No problem...we are all growing and maturing at different rates.

 

[Ritajanice]

The power of sin, is death and death has no power over me because I have eternal life right now. This doesn't mean that I don't sin, it just means that I'm no longer a slave to sin and Satan.

Sorry disagree, already posted scripture ,that a Born Again doesn’t sin, apparently according to you, it’s unrelated scripture, lol....if you want to thrash it out feel free.

Good day, Sir...I 100% stand by all of my posts..as truth...unless the Holy Spirit shows me otherwise...if I need correcting, only he can correct this child of God...in Jesus Name,Amen!

 

[Ritajanice]

These are all good and encouraging to consider, but lets not pretend that we can keep the law as the Pharisees did and Jesus exposed them as being the children of the Devil.

We should strive against the temptation to sin, but we should also realize that we won't win every battle against temptation and we will continue to be overcome regularly for the rest of our lives.

The Apostle Paul makes it crystal clear, that the "old man", "old sin nature" still have a stronghold on us after we are born again. Paul admits to being the Chief of sinners, and speaks about two natures in him.

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14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

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6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[Ritajanice]

The way I understand it, you are either dead or alive.

Only Gods witness, His Living Holy Spirit, can testify to our spirit, whether we are regenerated/ Born Again/brought from death to life in our spirit.

He does the birthing, the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children ...

Romans 8

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Only Gods witness, His Living Holy Spirit, can testify to our spirit, whether we are regenerated/ Born Again/brought from death to life in our spirit.

So you think a person that has been born again.... has no way of knowing whether they are really born again or not eh?

 

[Ritajanice]

1 Corinthians 12:3New King James Version (NKJV) Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Christian Soldier]

A Born Again does not sin, .just as Gods word says..you have not produced any scripture, that says a “ Born Again sins, plus God says, you must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God..

Spirit gives birth to spirit..I have posted scripture confirming that a Born Again does not sin, which you seem to be getting very upset over.

Sorry , Gods truth was posted.

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Children of God 1Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him. 2Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears,a we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is. 3And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure.b 4Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness.c 5But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him. 7Little children,d let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous.e 8The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil. 9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

The truth is the new man, not the old man ,he is dead and buried in Christ.

A Born Again does not sin, unrelated scriptures?

Scripture that I post is related to the Born Again, unfortunately ,your scripture is not.you misunderstand John imo.



Awful truth?

I was set free 33yrs ago from sin, that’s the good news, Jesus came and took all of my sin 2;000 yrs ago.my Spirit was Born Of God, then I was set free from sin..as I was chosen / predestined before the foundation of the world,..for all of this to take place when it did, ( my supernatural rebirth).

You are misunderstanding John, we live in our old body of sin, so yes, if we don’t understand this, of course we deceive ourselves, ..we’re in the new man, Born Of God’s seed.

If you keep confessing your sin over and over, then it sounds like you are working for your salvation, ..

I know 100% that my sins are no more, the old has gone, the New is here.

Makes no sense, we are already clothed in the righteousness of Christ, we don’t confess any sins, as all have been forgiven.

Isaiah 61:10I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decked himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

,I was a sinner, I was set free from sin 33yrs ago, when my spirit became Born Again, Spirit gives birth to spirit.

We live in our old body of sin, we have been forgiven of our sin, by God,

Also you don’t seem to understand that, the Holy Spirit cannot indwell/ take up residence , in the heart/ spirit of a Born Again, just as His word says.

Our spirit must be birthed into Christ..,
A Born Again cannot sin, because they have been Born Of God...you can’t seem to relate to that scripture, imo.with respect.
Plus you have produced no scripture that a “ Born Again” sins, only your opinion of what John means.

2 Corinthians 5:17ESV “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. . ”

We are in Christ a new creation, he’s at work in our heart/spirit, the moment we become his children.

Why are you still rejecting the plain and clear Word of God, which tells you in John 1:8 that you are a liar and there is no truth in you, because you refuse to admit that you're a sinner.
Let's deal with one verse at a time, before you run off with unrelated scriptures. Is Gods Word true or not, that is the question you need to answer.

 

[Ritajanice]

Why are you still rejecting the plain and clear Word of God, which tells you in John 1:8 that you are a liar and there is no truth in you, because you refuse to admit that you're a sinner.
Let's deal with one verse at a time, before you run off with unrelated scriptures. Is Gods Word true or not, that is the question you need to answer.

I don’t think you understand what it means to be Born Of God’s seed.
As you said I was Born Of Adams seed.
I was a sinner, still live in a body of sin..the old man of sin..I’m in the new man, I’m in the righteousness of Christ, clothed in his righteousness ..

My sins were removed from my spirit, the moment I was birthed in the Spirit, I sin no more, as I am Born Of God, ..you believe In a slow regeneration, I don’t, we are Born Of The Spirit in an instance.just as His word says, he doesn’t say we are slowly regenerated , those are your words.

We are birthed by the Living Spirit..therefore a Born Again cannot sin because they have been Born of God.

You misunderstand the scripture you posted about sin, I’ve just tried to explain it to you again.

You need to understand that our spirit is birthed, the Spirit can’t indwell our spirit unless it’s been forgiven of our sin by God..then he will and does indwell our spirit.

He indwells an old sinner, once he has forgiven their sins, this is an act of God..we’re in the new man...set free from sin..by Gods mercy and by his grace.

All of my sins hang on the cross with Jesus..he took all of my sin onto himself.yet you still carry yours?​

I carry no more burden of sin.​

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4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:
20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification

 

[Ritajanice]

Why are you still rejecting the plain and clear Word of God, which tells you in John 1:8 that you are a liar and there is no truth in you, because you refuse to admit that you're a sinner.

I didn’t say I wasn’t a sinner, I said my sins have been forgiven by God, The Spirit can’t birth our spirit unless our sins are forgiven ,we are brought to repentance by God, no repentance,I’m afraid no rebirth.

A Born Again doesn’t sin, because they have been Born of Gods seed..I don’t think you understand the Living seed .
As you told me on another post, that I was Born Of Adam.
Who is the Living seed, that births our spirit into his?

Is the Living seed of God, Living in your heart?

If so, who testifies of that truth?

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3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

 

[Runningman]

John 1:10 said that Jesus "made the world".

When did that happen?

It happened when God spoke the Word of Existence, and pre-incarnate Jesus is that 'Word".

Here is another act of Creation, whereby God the Father and Pre-incarnate Jesus as "the Word was God"... created Adam.


"Let US.... make man... in OUR Image.

"Us, and OUR", = 2, as ONE.

Jesus said.. "I and my Father are ONE">

Jesus said..."If you've seen ME.... You've SEEN the FATHER">.

John 1:10 does not say Jesus made the world. Read verse 9... the true Light was coming into the world in the present tense when Jesus would have been at about the age of 30. The true Light made the world.

 

[Runningman]

Much love!

The Jesus being the same "yesterday, today, and forever" doesn't speak to eternally unchanging. Jesus has changed a lot.

 

[Runningman]

No, I'm simply exposing your error. You're trying to convince me that God contradicts Himself, but I'm here to tell you that He does not. You will never convince me that God is confused and doesn't know what he's talking about, but I am convinced that you're confused because you ignored all the charges I bought against you and referred to unrelated scriptures to sidestep the issue.

You have no biblical foundation to support your idea. You never explained why I should rubbish what the Apostle Paul said and believe your opinion instead. I'm sorry to inform you that I don't rubbish Gods prophets, to embrace the private opinions of strangers.

My argument has never been nor ever will be that God is confused and contradicting himself. I believe you have wrongly come to that conclusion, like so many others have, because you will never change, as you have already confessed, therefore you can't be wrong. Essentially, you have made me a scape goat who is calling God wrong. Shameful. In any case, the Scripture is there when/if anyone feels like believing what the Bible says.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I don’t think you understand what it means to be Born Of God’s seed.
As you said I was Born Of Adams seed.
I was a sinner, still live in a body of sin..the old man of sin..I’m in the new man, I’m in the righteousness of Christ, clothed in his righteousness ..

My sins were removed from my spirit, the moment I was birthed in the Spirit, I sin no more, as I am Born Of God, ..you believe In a slow regeneration, I don’t, we are Born Of The Spirit in an instance.just as His word says, he doesn’t say we are slowly regenerated , those are your words.

We are birthed by the Living Spirit..therefore a Born Again cannot sin because they have been Born of God.

You misunderstand the scripture you posted about sin, I’ve just tried to explain it to you again.

You need to understand that our spirit is birthed, the Spirit can’t indwell our spirit unless it’s been forgiven of our sin by God..then he will and does indwell our spirit.

He indwells an old sinner, once he has forgiven their sins, this is an act of God..we’re in the new man...set free from sin..by Gods mercy and by his grace.

All of my sins hang on the cross with Jesus..he took all of my sin onto himself.yet you still carry yours?​

I carry no more burden of sin.​

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4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:
20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification

Sorry i must have missed the part where you corrected my understanding of the verse which says "if we say we don't sin there is no truth in us". I thought that meant that we still sin and if we say we don't then we arer liars. Can you please show me how that means that Gods Word was spoken in the opposite and God really meant to say "if say say you have no sin, then the truth is in you".

I didn't think God contradicts Himself and says things that are not true, please do tell. This will be good, it will destroy my theology and I will follow you from now on.

 

[Ritajanice]

Sorry i must have missed the part where you corrected my understanding of the verse which says "if we say we don't sin there is no truth in us". I thought that meant that we still sin and if we say we don't then we arer liars. Can you please show me how that means that Gods Word was spoken in the opposite and God really meant to say "if say say you have no sin, then the truth is in you".

I didn't think God contradicts Himself and says things that are not true, please do tell. This will be good, it will destroy my theology and I will follow you from now on.

Brother, I have explained what I believe John to be saying.

I also explained about God’s seed?

There is no point discussing any further..unless of course you can explain the meaning of..Being Born Of God’s seed?

What does his seed abides in him mean? I’ve posted that part in bold and underlined it for you.

Here is said scripture.

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◄ 1 John 3 ►

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Children of God 1Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him. 2Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears,a we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is. 3And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure.b 4Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness.c 5But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him. 7Little children,d let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous.e 8The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil. 9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

 

[Behold]

John 1:10 does not say Jesus made the world.

Sure it does..

New Living Translation
He came into the very world he created, but the world didn’t recognize him.

King James Bible
He was in the world, and the world was made by him,


So, who is the "HE".. ??

This is "God was manifested in the Flesh".. virgin born into the World HE = Created.

When did JESUS create it?

Find more of the answer in .. Colossians 1:16

 

[marks]

Jesus has changed a lot.

Jesus has always been the same.

Which one is right then?

Much love!

 

[Christian Soldier]

I didn’t say I wasn’t a sinner, I said my sins have been forgiven by God, The Spirit can’t birth our spirit unless our sins are forgiven ,we are brought to repentance by God, no repentance,I’m afraid no rebirth.

A Born Again doesn’t sin, because they have been Born of Gods seed..I don’t think you understand the Living seed .
As you told me on another post, that I was Born Of Adam.
Who is the Living seed, that births our spirit into his?

Is the Living seed of God, Living in your heart?

If so, who testifies of that truth?

1 John 3​

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King James Version​

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3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

We almost agree, but you say your sins were forgiven, while I would say your sins were forgiven and are currently being forgiven and will be forgiven in the future.

You will continue to sin everyday for the rest of your life and when you die, you works will be judged by fire and everything you sowed to the flash will be burned up and you will suffer loss but you yourself will be saved and you will be refined like pure gold and only those things you sowed to the Spirit will remain.

You don't become as pure gold in this life, that happens in the life to come.

 

[Ritajanice]

We almost agree, but you say your sins were forgiven, while I would say your sins were forgiven and are currently being forgiven and will be forgiven in the future.

You will continue to sin everyday for the rest of your life and when you die, you works will be judged by fire and everything you sowed to the flash will be burned up and you will suffer loss but you yourself will be saved and you will be refined like pure gold and only those things you sowed to the Spirit will remain.

You don't become as pure gold in this life, that happens in the life to come.

Sorry, no I will not continue to sin every day.for the rest of my life.

Brother, I have explained what I believe John to be saying.

I also explained about God’s seed?

There is no point discussing any further..unless of course you can explain the meaning of..Being Born Of God’s seed?

What does his seed abides in him mean? I’ve posted that part in bold and underlined it for you.

Here is said scripture.

◄ 1 John 3 ►

Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Children of God 1Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him. 2Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears,a we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is. 3And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure.b 4Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness.c 5But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him. 7Little children,d let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous.e 8The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil. 9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

 

[Runningman]

Sure it does..

New Living Translation
He came into the very world he created, but the world didn’t recognize him.

King James Bible
He was in the world, and the world was made by him,


So, who is the "HE".. ??

This is "God was manifested in the Flesh".. virgin born into the World HE = Created.

When did JESUS create it?

Find more of the answer in .. Colossians 1:16

Well, John 1:9, though the KJV is a bit awkward with it, is actually written in the present tense. So after John the Baptist was already bearing witness of the true Light coming into the world, the true light was coming into the world. Since this is what JTB was bearing witness of, this would have made himself and Jesus about the age of 30 years old (Luke 3:23) when the true Light was coming into the world. So verse 10 refers to the true Light as the Creator. That would not be Jesus then. That's the way it reads to me.

John 1​

9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11He came unto his own, and his own received him not​

The context seems to support this too. I added verse 11 where it says his own did not receive him. Think about the Old Testament and all the times God was rejected and betrayed Him; however, Jesus was immensely popular with the people because he was feeding them, healing them, forgiving them, etc. His own absolutely received him.

Luke 6​

17And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people out of all Judaea and Jerusalem, and from the sea coast of Tyre and Sidon, which came to hear him, and to be healed of their diseases;​