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Now the question is-can a believer be "unsealed" later in life? I don't think so-but I don't want to derail this conversation brother.
Stay strong in Christ Jesus.
Later.
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To me this is a big part, in that, if I believe I can be unsealed from the Holy Spirit, then my faith will have to be at least partly in myself to make sure I don't. If I cannot be unsealed, my faith is wholely in Christ. We've been sealed unto the say of redemption, so therefore God has put His seal of ownership on us as His security that when He comes to collect what He's already paid for, it will be there for Him. It's not got anything to do with us.

Once God has sealed us, it's all about what He is doing, and that's what He is doing. "Sealed unto the day of redemption", that's His purpose, not mine, His.

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Something to ponder about, to reflect upon.
One more . . .

1 Corinthians 1:28-31 KJV
28) And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29) That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30) But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31) That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

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To me this is a big part, in that, if I believe I can be unsealed from the Holy Spirit, then my faith will have to be at least partly in myself to make sure I don't. If I cannot be unsealed, my faith is wholely in Christ. We've been sealed unto the say of redemption, so therefore God has put His seal of ownership on us as His security that when He comes to collect what He's already paid for, it will be there for Him. It's not got anything to do with us.

Once God has sealed us, it's all about what He is doing, and that's what He is doing. "Sealed unto the day of redemption", that's His purpose, not mine, His.
Correct-and to elaborate a bit.

Ephesians 1:13-14 says, "In Him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in Him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of His glory." This passage makes it clear that the moment we believe in Christ, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit. This seal is described as a "guarantee" or "down payment" of our inheritance. It's like God putting His stamp of ownership on us, ensuring that we belong to Him and that He will complete the work He started in us.

Ephesians 4:30 further emphasizes this by saying, "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." Here, the sealing of the Holy Spirit is directly connected to the "day of redemption," meaning that God has secured us until the day when He fully redeems us—when Christ returns, and we are glorified. The idea is that once God has sealed us, it’s a done deal. The seal is not temporary or conditional; it’s in place until God’s purpose is fulfilled.

The beauty of this is that it takes the focus off our ability to maintain our salvation and places it squarely on God's faithfulness. Philippians 1:6 tells us, "And I am sure of this, that He who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ." This verse assures us that the same God who started the work of salvation in us will be the one to complete it. It's His work from start to finish.

When you say that believing you can be "unsealed" would place part of your faith in yourself to maintain that seal, you're absolutely right. But the Bible consistently teaches that our salvation is not dependent on our efforts but on God's grace. John 10:28-29 reinforces this when Jesus says, "I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand." Here, Jesus makes it clear that our security is in His hands and the Father's hands, and nothing can break that hold.

So, when we talk about being sealed by the Holy Spirit, we're talking about a divine guarantee that our salvation is secure. It's not about our ability to keep it but about God's promise to fulfill what He started. This is why our faith can be wholly in Christ—because He is the one who ensures that we are kept safe until the day of redemption. It’s all about what He has done and continues to do in our lives, not about our own efforts to maintain our salvation.

Guess I'm just "fleshing out" what you already said brother.
The more I post scriptures the more I wrestle and have to be careful not to overstep the boundaries of what stands written.
But I do wrestle with some doctrines for some years now and at the moment feel like everything is "out of control"- battling financially.

As always, we are to walk our talk and not talk our walk.
Shalom brother.
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I have read they travel.
That's good, because I need all I can get!

I routinely experience "energy drains" I call them, when I can go in a minute's time from feeling OK to leaden, stiff, sore, unable to focus my mind, or initiate thought (like there is a brick in my head), and I just have to wait it out, typically for the rest of the day, although sometimes I can get some relief. It's like "major depression light", all the same symptoms, only, not lasting so long. Sometimes debilitating, when it's not so "light".

I've collected lots of foods that help, blueberries, figs, stay away from white sugar and white flour, like that.

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That's good, because I need all I can get!

I routinely experience "energy drains" I call them, when I can go in a minute's time from feeling OK to leaden, stiff, sore, unable to focus my mind, or initiate thought (like there is a brick in my head), and I just have to wait it out, typically for the rest of the day, although sometimes I can get some relief. It's like "major depression light", all the same symptoms, only, not lasting so long. Sometimes debilitating, when it's not so "light".

I've collected lots of foods that help, blueberries, figs, stay away from white sugar and white flour, like that.

Much love!
Yes l eat a wh ole food organic diet and avoid inflammatory foods. Some of your symptoms sound like unbalanced copper . A hair tissue mineral analysis can show this. I have had to study a lot to biohack my health as medications don't work for me. Will get back to your other post.
 
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Ephesians 1:13-14 says, "In Him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in Him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of His glory." This passage makes it clear that the moment we believe in Christ, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit. This seal is described as a "guarantee" or "down payment" of our inheritance. It's like God putting His stamp of ownership on us, ensuring that we belong to Him and that He will complete the work He started in us.
I was forgetting about this one, it's the inverse from the other. We are sealed by God unto the day of redemption, to make sure He gets what He paid for. And we are sealed with the Spirit as the guarantee that we will receive what we've been promised.

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I have been reading the following book this morning because it helped me a great deal when I was seeking the return of the blessing of entire sanctification, and it was through the advice that, 'you received your sanctification by faith alone, to be restored, just have that faith again'. The book is worth a read, bearing in mind the inconsistency of the western theology he espoused that says it is not sinless perfection. If it is not sinless then it is not entire. The mistakes Wesley spoke about are not sins.

Christ died 2,000 years ago, and for all time, it is done once and for all. All we need it to believe this and reject the lies of Satan that it is a gradual thing. If we believe that lie we will never get there (ref my comment about the elderly believers and their terrible diets).

The Lord has graciously granted you a taste of it.

Do not go back: But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Gal. 4:9.

"The fact is, that neither the Bible nor experience proves that a man gets a clean heart when he is converted, but just the contrary. He does have his sins forgiven ; he does receive the witness of adoption into God's own family ; he does have his affections changed. But before he has gone very far he will find his patience mixed up with some degree of impatience, his kindness mixed with wrath, his meekness mixed with anger (which is of the heart, and may not be seen of the world, but of which he is painfully conscious), his humility mixed with pride, his loyalty to Jesus mixed with a shame of the Cross, and, in fact, the fruit of the Spirit and the works of the flesh, in greater or less degree, are all mixed up together.

But this will be done away with when he gets a clean heart, and it will take a second work of grace, preceded by a whole-hearted consecration, and as definite an act of faith as that which preceded his conversion, to get it. After conversion, he finds his old sinful nature much like a tree which has been cut down, but the stump still left. The tree causes no more bother, but the stump will still bring forth little shoots, if it is not watched. The quickest and most effective way is to put some dynamite under the stump, and blow it up.

Just so, God wants to put the dynamite of the Holy Ghost (the word " dynamite" comes from the Greek word " power," in Acts i. 8) into every converted soul, and for ever do away with that old troublesome, sinful nature, so that he can truly say, " Old things have passed away, and, behold, all things have become new." This is just what God did with the Apostles on the Day of Pentecost.

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No more than other times, and perhaps less.

In 2017, God started working hard in my life. He opened my eyes to the fleshiness of my mind, my way of choosing in my life, everything. I had an infection which cost me 25 lbs in 2 weeks that I couldn't afford to lose. I lost a goodly amount of muscle mass, among other things. My health was heavily impacted, and I've not been the same since. And with medical bills He was crushing my finances. I was so weakened in my body, desolate in my mind, but I was refocusing on the spiritual matters.

Yes indeed, He uses strict measures, to get our attention. Praise Him for that, though I commiserate with the suffering you went through. Goodness, 25 lbs in two weeks. But wonderful to see Him working in our lives, and this testimony of being ground down is the usual story of those who have known the blessing of ES.

You really need to be fully connected to Him for His guidance over restoring your health as it is a minefield out there, with as many charlatans in the alternative health community.
Meanwhile, disgregulation, mind race, and the acting out of my repetion compulsions make my life a rollercoaster, to say the very very least! There were many wee hours of the morning alone in my room in dejection and despair. I would then just sit before God, wanting a word from Him, and would just open my Bible and read what I say.

He has often come to my aid in the darkest hours when I have cried out to Him.
It was in these times that I learned about God's love for me, particularly in the many readings I landed on in Isaiah.

Indeed, this was the main thing I received from Him during that three days when I was lifted from the physical realm, as He poured out His love for me which nearly caused my heart to give way, and I had to ask Him to stop! He opened the scriptures up and I saw the truth of what I was experiencing right through the Bible from start to finish and imprinted it on my brain.
Perhaps the most memorable of these was reading Isaiah 44 . . . I opened, looked at the page, began to read:

Isaiah 44:9 KJV
They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.

Yes, I know, this is idolatry! I just felt worse and worse as I continued to read about how I make for myself idols. When I came to,

Isaiah 44:20 KJV
He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?

I was in tears, this was exactly how I felt. Feeding on ashes, a deceived heart has turned me aside, and there, nothing I seem to be able to do about it, it's like I can't even come to the most basic truth that what I'm doing is just a lie!

Amen! For me, it was the sensation of being face down in the dirt as I realized my absolute inability to please Him in my walk as it had been, trusting in my own understanding. This part has been a blessing to me! 'Is there not a lie in my right hand?'
I was undone . . . this was the last verse on the page . . . I was afraid to turn the page, I didn't know how much more truth I could take!

Isaiah 44:21-23 KJV
21) Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.
22) I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.
23) Sing, O ye heavens; for the LORD hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel.

And then I really started crying!

Oh what a great and immeasurable love!!

Some time later . . . same situation . . . desolate after a bad day . . . many bad days . . . seeking a word from God, I opened and began to read where my eyes landed.

Psalms 129:1-4 KJV
1) A Song of degrees. Many a time have they afflicted me from my youth, may Israel now say:
2) Many a time have they afflicted me from my youth: yet they have not prevailed against me.

He had my attention!

3) The plowers plowed upon my back: they made long their furrows.

What an analogy! Right on target!

4) The LORD is righteous: he hath cut asunder the cords of the wicked.

When I read the word "cut" I felt something cut away inside, and it fell away from me into the shadows. What just happened???

Oh wow - that was it! Wonderful.
I felt it, I felt different, I was afraid to think that the evil in me had been cut away like that, I was afraid it wasn't really true, so I didn't think about it, I assured myself that if this is what happened, if this was real, I'll know soon enough, and went to sleep.

By the third day I was convinced, amazed, and for the next 5 weeks or so, those cords were cut. Until in a particular moment, I heard my flesh calling out again, and I could tell, it was gone.

Indeed brother. Pray for me too that restoration will come. I cannot continue without it as my life will be useless.
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Yes l eat a wh ole food organic diet and avoid inflammatory foods. Some of your symptoms sound like unbalanced copper . A hair tissue mineral analysis can show this. I have had to study a lot to biohack my health as medications don't work for me. Will get back to your other post.
It's a possibility. My wife has low copper issues sometimes. I've just been looking over copper containing foods. If I eat an avocado a day, and some dark chocolate, both of which are a couple of my very favorite foods, that would supply what "they" say I need.

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I have been reading the following book this morning because it helped me a great deal when I was seeking the return of the blessing of entire sanctification, and it was through the advice that, 'you received your sanctification by faith alone, to be restored, just have that faith again'. The book is worth a read, bearing in mind the inconsistency of the western theology he espoused that says it is not sinless perfection. If it is not sinless then it is not entire. The mistakes Wesley spoke about are not sins.
For me the whole "sinless perfection or not" dispute is meaningless, I don't need to be concerned over that. Whether I am living in sinlessness or apparent sinlessness is literally the same to me, in my life experience.

'you received your sanctification by faith alone, to be restored, just have that faith again'.

This is what I believe. Though no faith was required for that cutting away. God just did it.

Romans 5:1-5 KJV
1) Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2) By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3) And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4) And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5) And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

The same faith that justifies is the same faith that gives us access into the grace in which we stand. This is the faith in Jesus. We trust in Him, and this gives us peace with God, and lets us stand in grace, which is to me another way to say what we've been discussing.

I want to mention, you've said that you came close to discarding this doctrine, I've come close to accepting it, although I continue to think the reality is a little different. I think this just indicates that we both are giving this it's day in court, as they say.

And I'm still think that being granted ES is remedial, and that if my faith were stronger, I'd be there. It's not lost on me that my 5 weeks major depression was preceded by these 5 weeks ES. Just like about 5 weeks of consuming Ecclesiastes. All the fingerprints of God.

I think He customized each of our lives to be particular to us, for what He knows we need.

Christ died 2,000 years ago, and for all time, it is done once and for all. All we need it to believe this and reject the lies of Satan that it is a gradual thing. If we believe that lie we will never get there (ref my comment about the elderly believers and their terrible diets).
I think it's an "on/off" thing, either we are walking in the Spirit or we are not. I think of ES as consistently walking in the Spirit. I think we can walk in the Spirit for a minute, an hour, a day, a lifetime. I used to think of the fruit of the Spirit as being the gradual improvement of our character, but now I think of it as the description of the person walking in the Spirit.

Any time I'm not walking in love, I'm not walking in the Spirit.

The Lord has graciously granted you a taste of it.

Do not go back: But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Gal. 4:9.
How indeed!

The weak and beggarly elements, elements is from "stoicheia", the 'basic building blocks', that can put us into bondage. Paul's example is of observing the holy days, and shows this as a desire to be in bondage, later to be named a desire to be under Law. He goes on to talk about Hagar and Sarah, Sinai and the Heavenly Jerusalem, bondage and freedom, flesh, and promise.

We either in our flesh seek out what we can do to improve our standing with God, or we stand in His promise. Trying to improve our standing is declared bondage. We are children of the free woman, according to promise. This again speaks to me of faith, believing in His promise, His great and precious promises, by which we partake the divine nature.

"The fact is, that neither the Bible nor experience proves that a man gets a clean heart when he is converted, but just the contrary. He does have his sins forgiven ; he does receive the witness of adoption into God's own family ; he does have his affections changed. But before he has gone very far he will find his patience mixed up with some degree of impatience, his kindness mixed with wrath, his meekness mixed with anger (which is of the heart, and may not be seen of the world, but of which he is painfully conscious), his humility mixed with pride, his loyalty to Jesus mixed with a shame of the Cross, and, in fact, the fruit of the Spirit and the works of the flesh, in greater or less degree, are all mixed up together.
That does seem to be the experience, and the Bible's teaching.

I'll stop here for the moment, I want to give the rest of your post some more consideration.

Just on small thing to add . . .

(the word " dynamite" comes from the Greek word " power," in Acts i. 8)
Dunamis is often connected with the English "dynamite", although it misconstrues the Greek word to define it like "explosive power" or something like that. The Greek word means "ability". When applied to God, yes, this is mighty power. But it also includes my ability to pick up a pencil. This is one of the issues in defining Greek words by English words derived from them, they don't always carry the the same meaning.

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But this will be done away with when he gets a clean heart, and it will take a second work of grace, preceded by a whole-hearted consecration, and as definite an act of faith as that which preceded his conversion, to get it. After conversion, he finds his old sinful nature much like a tree which has been cut down, but the stump still left. The tree causes no more bother, but the stump will still bring forth little shoots, if it is not watched. The quickest and most effective way is to put some dynamite under the stump, and blow it up.
Here's another of those questions . . .

How does this statement fit with this passage:

2 Peter 1:2-4 KJV
2) Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

This seems to indicate there isn't a second work needed. Oh, how sometimes it seems so close I can touch it!

Yes, I'll be praying for you, and for me, that we can know this!

It still seems to me that we can walk in the Spirit for short periods, while what we are looking for is to walk in the Spirit at all times. Does it require something we don't now have to make it consistent? Or do we just need to keep trusting, and when we find ourselves falling out, we trust again?

I wonder that what was considered a second work was something God gave to some to give them a boost for God's own purposes, but that this isn't to be the rule for everyone.

My temporary time was years ago, didn't last, but has left it's indelible impression, and has served in guiding my growth. Do I really have to wait, and hope, that God touches me this way again? Or can I truly choose to trust God so implicitly that I'm not concerned over disqualifying myself, resting in Jesus' reconciliation?

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It's a possibility. My wife has low copper issues sometimes. I've just been looking over copper containing foods. If I eat an avocado a day, and some dark chocolate, both of which are a couple of my very favorite foods, that would supply what "they" say I need.

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Apparently, copper is severely misunderstood, where there is an imbalance due to a build up of unavailable copper. I believe I have this and get the racing mind at times. I also have a serious liking for dark chocolate! Since finding out that many brands contain high levels of lead, especially the high cocoa ones, I try to keep it low.

 
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For me the whole "sinless perfection or not" dispute is meaningless, I don't need to be concerned over that. Whether I am living in sinlessness or apparent sinlessness is literally the same to me, in my life experience.

Yes agreed, these technical details can be a distraction.
'you received your sanctification by faith alone, to be restored, just have that faith again'.

This is what I believe. Though no faith was required for that cutting away. God just did it.

Romans 5:1-5 KJV
1) Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2) By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3) And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4) And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5) And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

The same faith that justifies is the same faith that gives us access into the grace in which we stand. This is the faith in Jesus. We trust in Him, and this gives us peace with God, and lets us stand in grace, which is to me another way to say what we've been discussing.

I want to mention, you've said that you came close to discarding this doctrine,

I have not come close to discarding it. That is impossible for me as it is in my bones now. What I have had problems over is the fact that most are not ES, which equates to salvation according to my studies over the last few years. He knows best as to whether they get a chance depending on the state of their hearts.
I've come close to accepting it, although I continue to think the reality is a little different. I think this just indicates that we both are giving this it's day in court, as they say.

And I'm still think that being granted ES is remedial, and that if my faith were stronger, I'd be there. It's not lost on me that my 5 weeks major depression was preceded by these 5 weeks ES. Just like about 5 weeks of consuming Ecclesiastes. All the fingerprints of God.

I think He customized each of our lives to be particular to us, for what He knows we need.

I found the answer to many of my questions, in the early church teachings on this, and the blueprint of the journey from scripture, though not in proof texting. We are not to be obsessed by where we are on that journey, and always looking at it. It will no doubt be a problem for dispensationalists.


I think it's an "on/off" thing, either we are walking in the Spirit or we are not. I think of ES as consistently walking in the Spirit. I think we can walk in the Spirit for a minute, an hour, a day, a lifetime. I used to think of the fruit of the Spirit as being the gradual improvement of our character, but now I think of it as the description of the person walking in the Spirit.

Any time I'm not walking in love, I'm not walking in the Spirit.

I agree with this.
How indeed!

The weak and beggarly elements, elements is from "stoicheia", the 'basic building blocks', that can put us into bondage. Paul's example is of observing the holy days, and shows this as a desire to be in bondage, later to be named a desire to be under Law. He goes on to talk about Hagar and Sarah, Sinai and the Heavenly Jerusalem, bondage and freedom, flesh, and promise.

We either in our flesh seek out what we can do to improve our standing with God, or we stand in His promise. Trying to improve our standing is declared bondage. We are children of the free woman, according to promise. This again speaks to me of faith, believing in His promise, His great and precious promises, by which we partake the divine nature.

Amen!
That does seem to be the experience, and the Bible's teaching.

I'll stop here for the moment, I want to give the rest of your post some more consideration.

Just on small thing to add . . .


Dunamis is often connected with the English "dynamite", although it misconstrues the Greek word to define it like "explosive power" or something like that. The Greek word means "ability". When applied to God, yes, this is mighty power. But it also includes my ability to pick up a pencil. This is one of the issues in defining Greek words by English words derived from them, they don't always carry the the same meaning.

Thanks for that.
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Here's another of those questions . . .

How does this statement fit with this passage:

2 Peter 1:2-4 KJV
2) Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

This seems to indicate there isn't a second work needed.

Peter is writing to to them 'that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ' verse 1. I understand him to mean those who have been Illumined (sanctified) as he presses them on to ES whereby the promises are fulfilled entirely (the divine nature obtained).

It is a never ending quest for me, to discard the two step holiness teachings of the west, which I followed for most of the time (over 30 years) to the fuller and much biblically consistent teaching on the subject found in Orthodoxy.

It is however, useful enough to use, to get people to accept the concept that a pure heart was not given (apart from the first flush where a taste of it was given) when they first came to Christ and believed in Him. The falling away from that, they are taught is normal and does not need rectified. It is a struggle for me to get the right balance and I thank you that you are helping me in this.
Oh, how sometimes it seems so close I can touch it!

Yes, I'll be praying for you, and for me, that we can know this!

I think that my lapse is due to the great healing to my brain, that is taking place at a very deep level before I can be used at the extent that God desires. It will be vital that I do not have the glitches of disregulation and dissociation when defending the faith (that was once delivered to the saints).
It still seems to me that we can walk in the Spirit for short periods, while what we are looking for is to walk in the Spirit at all times. Does it require something we don't now have to make it consistent? Or do we just need to keep trusting, and when we find ourselves falling out, we trust again?
This seems to be the way in the training, until we reach the fullness.
I wonder that what was considered a second work was something God gave to some to give them a boost for God's own purposes, but that this isn't to be the rule for everyone.

God is no respecter of persons but gives in accordance to how malleable our hearts are which we can deaden after sear our conscience if we wish.
My temporary time was years ago, didn't last, but has left it's indelible impression, and has served in guiding my growth. Do I really have to wait, and hope, that God touches me this way again? Or can I truly choose to trust God so implicitly that I'm not concerned over disqualifying myself, resting in Jesus' reconciliation?

This has been the subject of a big debate about whether we should just wait. I think that we need to learn how to obey the slightest command from our inner being - gaining more light after we obey the light we are given which will progress us forwards. We are so unaccustomed to not hearing the voice that we need to make an effort to train ourselves and OBEY! I am failing here myself, feeling to ill to stir myself. Trauma thinking coming in.
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Here's another of those questions . . .

How does this statement fit with this passage:

2 Peter 1:2-4 KJV
2) Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

This seems to indicate there isn't a second work needed. Oh, how sometimes it seems so close I can touch it!

Yes, I'll be praying for you, and for me, that we can know this!

It still seems to me that we can walk in the Spirit for short periods, while what we are looking for is to walk in the Spirit at all times. Does it require something we don't now have to make it consistent? Or do we just need to keep trusting, and when we find ourselves falling out, we trust again?

I wonder that what was considered a second work was something God gave to some to give them a boost for God's own purposes, but that this isn't to be the rule for everyone.

My temporary time was years ago, didn't last, but has left it's indelible impression, and has served in guiding my growth. Do I really have to wait, and hope, that God touches me this way again? Or can I truly choose to trust God so implicitly that I'm not concerned over disqualifying myself, resting in Jesus' reconciliation?

Much love!

Give this a listen brother-from Wise Disciple.
 
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Apparently, copper is severely misunderstood, where there is an imbalance due to a build up of unavailable copper. I believe I have this and get the racing mind at times. I also have a serious liking for dark chocolate! Since finding out that many brands contain high levels of lead, especially the high cocoa ones, I try to keep it low.

The info in that article seems quite daunting, I'll need to be praying over this!

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And this one:


I have just been thinking that those with cPTSD, and the overactive metabolism and nervous system, due to being on 'high alert' since a young age, must deplete the body of all sorts of nutrients. I wonder whether some of the symptoms are due to this?
 
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Give this a listen brother-from Wise Disciple.
This one I watched, and I thought it well worthwhile! It makes me appreciate our new church all the more as the leaders reflect the qualities he spoke of.

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