Yes I think it has a lot to do with it and my upbringing was in a rather godless place amongst heavy industry workers from Ireland where being religious was a bad thing. Only the middle class went to church.
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When Paul wrote, it is no more I, but sin that lives in me, what did he mean, "no longer I"?
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Romans 7:14-22 KJV
14) For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15) For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16) If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19) For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21) I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22) For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Two times Paul wrote, "it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me".
"no more" or "no longer", this wording shows the end of a series of things. "Now if I do what I would not, it's not me any longer, it was me, but it's not now, instead, now, it's sin that lives in me."
What is he saying here? How is it that Paul used to be the one doing evil, but now he's not, instead, its the sin that live in him? Can you explain that to me?
Much love!
Romans 7:14-22 KJV
14) For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15) For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16) If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19) For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21) I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22) For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Two times Paul wrote, "it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me".
"no more" or "no longer", this wording shows the end of a series of things. "Now if I do what I would not, it's not me any longer, it was me, but it's not now, instead, now, it's sin that lives in me."
What is he saying here? How is it that Paul used to be the one doing evil, but now he's not, instead, its the sin that live in him? Can you explain that to me?
Much love!
It is when he tried to obey that he found something in him that did not want to obey. I think it was when he was under the conviction of the Holy Spirit.
But what changed? "It is no more I . . ."
It was, and now it's not.
There is a very particular reason I'm asking this particular question. I've of the opinion that you will not be able to answer this question according to your understanding of what rebirth is, while I have no difficulty with it.
Paul was born again, and being born again, he was recreated a new person. Sin remains in the flesh, while Paul has come alive in the Spirit.
Romans 7:25 KJV
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
The new creation spirit serves the law of God, but the flesh is not changed. Like the new driver of a wrecked car.
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That's not a change.
Romans 7:16-17 KJV
16) If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
It's no more I that do it - if I do what I would not do - it's not me any longer, it was me, and now it's not, that changed, from being me, to not being me.
The change is that Paul was reborn. Before, Paul was the sinner. Now, it's no more Paul, no more me, but sin that lives in me.
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I think that what changed was the conviction of the Holy spirit whereas before this, he considered it normal as it were, for him to slip up and sin, but now, under conviction, he could no longer tolerate sinning.
That's not what he wrote though.
He said, when he does what he wouldn't do, now it's no longer him that does it. Instead of being him, it's the sin that lives in him.
Before it was Paul that did evil, now when he does evil, it's not him, its the sin that lives in him. This is the saying of this passage.
Something changed to make Paul "no longer" the one who does what he "would not do". Something happened so that it wasn't him any longer, instead it's the sin that lives in him.
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No I do not think Paul was 'born again' at the point you said. In Romans 6 he is talking about what one should be, that sin should be dead but in Romans 7 he finds that he can no longer continue unless his walk matches his talk and he is entirely sanctified then, well when he praises God..
That he was born again, this is how I answer my question.
I'm not sure you are understanding my question.
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