THE TRANSGENDERISM OF CHRISTIANITY

[Stewardofthemystery]

why does God Impute his righteousness? Because we are unrighteous,

If God truly imputed Christs righteous in a person then they will also DO righteousness.

That is where the false doctrines get exposed that say despite being made righteous by Christs imputed righteousness they still walk in unrighteousness.

Here is the proof a true conversion…

1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

So you will know a tree by his fruit.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

The flesh is just a term one uses for the desire or the need to take care of ones own needs. it is self serving.

Sin IS self serving the desires of the flesh. The flesh speaks of the sin nature that is in our first man (Adam) that needs to be put to death.

The deeds of the flesh are sin.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

It was in the word. But no one could be charged with the sin..

Not true, because the proof is in that all men died because of sin even before the law of Moses.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

In john 3. Jesus was speaking of the flesh, the body..

Note the definition of the word “flesh”G4561

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Peter was actually following the letter of the law, but not the Spirit of the law.

No he was not following the letter. In fact he failed to live his neighbor

Why would you excuse Peter”s sin?

Paul also said concerning the law he was blameless. Paul said he was chief of sinners because he persecuted the Church in ignorance. The sin of ignorance can be forgiven per the law.

lol. Yes it could be forgiven by a sin offering an animal had to die.

Do you think saul loved the lord when he killed Christian? Is that not murder?

james Said if you stumble your guilty

I never said that Christians can’t sin. Those who return to a life of willful sin have fallen away from the faith.

James said if you stumble. You do not stumble willfully.

So do you think those believers lost salvation?

Clearly You assume a lot of things.

Well set the record straight. Have you? One would easily come to the conclusion you have not by what you say. Tell us

Just like the Hyper grace crowd to make personal attacks and false accusations. They were good at that.

Well you have not shown me to be in error. All you have done is make accusations and failed to counter us

Typical of a legalism.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If God truly imputed Christs righteous in a person then they will also DO righteousness.

Amen

It does not
Mean they will be perfect

That is where the false doctrines get exposed that say despite being made righteous by Christs imputed righteousness they still walk in unrighteousness.

I am not saying this you are. I do not believe a child if god can walk in sin.

But I do not believe they are sinless either I am not decieved

Here is the proof a true conversion…

1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

So you will know a tree by his fruit.

Yep

But non of this says they are sinless

Again your the one claiming your sinless and your the one claiming I think we can be saved and live in sin

I have never claimed anything like it

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sin IS self serving the desires of the flesh. The flesh speaks of the sin nature that is in our first man (Adam) that needs to be put to death.

Yes

But as Paul said the flesh still lusts against the spirit

Remember before we can to Go and were saved there was no spirit it was dead the flesh did as it pleased

The deeds of the flesh are sin.

I never said otherwise

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

This same author said there is no more condemnation to those in christ

Your god sure does contradict himself

Or we can interpret it Correctly and the life spoken of here is temporal life here on earth. Blessings fromgod

Not a life of death as an unbeliever lives

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not true, because the proof is in that all men died because of sin even before the law of Moses.

They died because they were in Adam they were born dead

Paul said sin could not be charged if there was no law. So I will trust Paul ok?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Note the definition of the word “flesh”G4561

I know the defenition of the word flesh

In John 3 Jesus spoke of physical birth

That which is born of flesh is flesh

Ye must be born again in spirit.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

No he was not following the letter.

The letter of the law was for the circumcised not to eat with the uncircumcised, that is what Peter was doing. But this was for shadowing the Spirit of the law shown here…

1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

Why would you excuse Peter”s sin?

Why are you trying to condemn Peter for following the letter of the law?

Do you think saul loved the lord when he killed Christian? Is that not murder?

Who did Paul kill? Paul persecuted Christians, and that was before Paul’s conversion. Why are you trying condemn Paul for something he did in ignorance?

1 Timothy 1:13
Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

Typical of a legalism.

That is another hyper grace strawman term for those who walk in righteousness.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

But as Paul said the flesh still lusts against the spirit

That is why you need to put to death the deeds of the flesh = putting to death sin in your life.

This same author said there is no more condemnation to those in christ

Who walk not after the flesh= not walking in a life of sin

Your god sure does contradict himself

You just don’t understand the words of God.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

They died because they were in Adam they were born dead

Romans 5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Paul said sin could not be charged if there was no law. So I will trust Paul ok?

Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

 

[ScottA]

Notice…

Jhn 3:6 - That which is born of the flesh G4561 is flesh; G4561 and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Note the definition of the word “flesh”G4561


the sensuous nature of man, "the animal nature"

1. without any suggestion of depravity
2. the animal nature with cravings which incite to sin
3. the physical nature of man as subject to suffering
4. a living creature (because possessed of a body of flesh) whether man or beast
5. the flesh, denotes mere human nature, the earthly nature of man apart from divine influence, and therefore prone to sin and opposed to God.”….. This “animal like” sinnature in both the first man and beast (serpent) is a clue to understanding the markof the man/beast

Paul is not talking about the body/skin below when he refers to the flesh….

Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Semantic again. The greater biblical theme shows the flesh being against the spirit. It would seem that you are denying this. Why are you defending the "flesh" which is born of this world and condemned?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Semantic again. The greater biblical theme shows the flesh being against the spirit. It would seem that you are denying this. Why are you defending the "flesh" which is born of this world and condemned?

Who is defending sin? Like I said the word flesh also denotes the sin nature working in mankind that opposes the Spirit of God.

This sin nature is the spirit of the Devil that is in the world and is also working in the children of disobedience.

Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Galatians 5:17
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

James 4:5
Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?

 

[Taken]

There have been and are billions of people…

They BELIEVE, WHAT as they learn and choose.

They BELIEVE, mindfully (carnally) AND heartfully (natural spirit), AND heartfully (born again spirit).

They DECLARE, their BelIefs.

Some CHANGE, their Beliefs.

Some REMAIN, steadfast in their Beliefs.

They ACCUSE, others FOR the others Beliefs.

They ACCUSE, declaring an others Beliefs FOR THEM, which is FALSE. (Gaslighters)

Some WERE, under the Law, others WERE NOT.

Some REMAIN, under the Law, others DO NOT.

Some CLAIM “membership” of a particular Denomination…

Some CLAIM “interest, learning, following along” of a particular Denomination…(without “membership”)…BUT ARE ACCUSED by others…to BE “members”….(gaslighters…as how dare they participate in learning ABOUT a denomination different than the one ACCUSING).

FACT IS…every Individual human being IS AN INDIVIDUAL human being of WHAT and WHEN THEY BELIEVE….
And….according to WHAT;
Their Carnal MIND
Or
Their natural spirit in their Heart
Or
Their born again spirit in their Heart.
And….
Their BELIEF…DECLARED OR NOT…
TO: other people irrelevant
Or
TO: the Lord God paramount

POINT BEING…
Human beings ARE Human beings…ALL were naturally born IN SIN…ALL Have Committed SIN, None are SIN-LESS…
and the Graceful, Merciful, Just, All Knowing Lord God Almighty…SHALL Execute Righteous Justice and Sentencing For EACH Individual human being. ( without a consultation or input of what any other human being thinks or believes )

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[amigo de christo]

If God truly imputed Christs righteous in a person then they will also DO righteousness.

That is where the false doctrines get exposed that say despite being made righteous by Christs imputed righteousness they still walk in unrighteousness.

Here is the proof a true conversion…

1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

So you will know a tree by his fruit.

and what IS the fruit of the SPIRIT .
And what is the fruit of the wicked .
For indeed ye shall know them by their fruits .
The Fruit of the SPIRIT is in all goodness , righteousness and Truth , proving what is acceptable TO GOD .
the fruit of the wicked is to SIN .
Ye shall know them by their fruits indeed . Many whose fruits are of the wicked one
will recreate another image of GOD and OF HIS SON . that image proves what is acceptable IN THEIR OWN EYES
and not TO GOD . And thus their version of the fruits of the spirit , their love , their etc
Will contain and adhere too whatever sin they desired .
Example . Their version of freedom , IS BONDAGE . but they see it as freedom . Freedom to sin and yet SIN IS BONDAGE
and whom we serve is WHOSE we are . they , however feel FREE to SIN , free in SIN
and while they might expose some sins , you can bet their own sins they justify , hold too and do not call sin .

 

[amigo de christo]

far too many identify with and in sin . few identify with and in CHRIST .
And now a word from long long ago in a time wherein a certain apostel still walked the lands .
IF any man has NOT the SPIRIT of CHRIST then HE is NONE of HIS
and if one has the SPIRIT then the BODY is DEAD because of sin . its no longer we who live
BUT HE who liveth in us . yet far too many are living it up in sin and are not dead to sin but very much alive in sin .
WHO we obey is whose we are . TO whom we yield ourselves servants to OBEY
is whose we are . Just a friendly reminder .
If a man cometh and liveth in and justifies his sin and yet talketh all the religious talk of the day
and makes big cliam to love GOD and HIS christ , i tell us all that double minded man and his religion is VAIN .
FOR the truly born again would have the SPIRIT of GOD of CHRIST
and that SPIRIT sure dont let a man feel justifed in sin . IT CONVICTS us when even the evil flesh produces
such a lustful thought into our mind . And if one errs we do all to correct such a one . NEVER justifying their sinful action .
So why am i seeing korans and ideals about other religoins serving the same God we do in our churches .
WHY am i seeing rainbows
why am i seeing the love of money all over the place and those places call themselves christain and the leaders
just pump all sorts of sinful lies out of their lips and the people sure seem to love to have it so .
WHERE BE THE HOLY SPIRIT in all of that . ABSENT people. ITS ABSENT . not a good sign .

 

[amigo de christo]

There have been and are billions of people…

They BELIEVE, WHAT as they learn and choose.

They BELIEVE, mindfully (carnally) AND heartfully (natural spirit), AND heartfully (born again spirit).

They DECLARE, their BelIefs.

Some CHANGE, their Beliefs.

Some REMAIN, steadfast in their Beliefs.

They ACCUSE, others FOR the others Beliefs.

They ACCUSE, declaring an others Beliefs FOR THEM, which is FALSE. (Gaslighters)

Some WERE, under the Law, others WERE NOT.

Some REMAIN, under the Law, others DO NOT.

Some CLAIM “membership” of a particular Denomination…

Some CLAIM “interest, learning, following along” of a particular Denomination…(without “membership”)…BUT ARE ACCUSED by others…to BE “members”….(gaslighters…as how dare they participate in learning ABOUT a denomination different than the one ACCUSING).

FACT IS…every Individual human being IS AN INDIVIDUAL human being of WHAT and WHEN THEY BELIEVE….
And….according to WHAT;
Their Carnal MIND
Or
Their natural spirit in their Heart
Or
Their born again spirit in their Heart.
And….
Their BELIEF…DECLARED OR NOT…
TO: other people irrelevant
Or
TO: the Lord God paramount

POINT BEING…
Human beings ARE Human beings…ALL were naturally born IN SIN…ALL Have Committed SIN, None are SIN-LESS…
and the Graceful, Merciful, Just, All Knowing Lord God Almighty…SHALL Execute Righteous Justice and Sentencing For EACH Individual human being. ( without a consultation or input of what any other human being thinks or believes )

Glory to God,
Taken

huge reminder for all today .
For this reason was i born and for this cause came i into the world
to TESTIFY of the TRUTH .
No lie is of the truth .
We need a far more grave message taken . far more grave .
This people walks in sin , loves sin and everyone just keeps on talking about a mercy of GOD .
notice i said a mercy and not rather THE MERCY of GOD .
Our bumper sticker evanglism has not worked . and i knew it would not work .
We must return to the bible now . start learning it and start following that pattern for all things .

 

[Marvelloustime]

huge reminder for all today .
For this reason was i born and for this cause came i into the world
to TESTIFY of the TRUTH .
No lie is of the truth .
We need a far more grave message taken . far more grave .
This people walks in sin , loves sin and everyone just keeps on talking about a mercy of GOD .
notice i said a mercy and not rather THE MERCY of GOD .
Our bumper sticker evanglism has not worked . and i knew it would not work .
We must return to the bible now . start learning it and start following that pattern for all things .

@amigo de christo

 

[TigersPaw]

Hi there, I am curious on this discussion, what is the answer that is being sought? I noticed allot of pages about the initial thought.
I do not see the reason its debated. Can some one clarify what exactly is the discussion looking for?
As the Bible is clear on the answer.
Thanks.