The Time is Fulfilled

[CadyandZoe]

What was the prescribed method for understanding everlasting righteousness?
Couldn't be the blood of an animal sacrificed every year could it.?
Has to be the blood of the suffering servant once and for all.

Righteousness is doing the right thing or being in the right. The prophets mention that Jerusalem was a righteous city, but fell along the way. They also predict that Jerusalem will one day be a righteous city again. Check me, but I believe that time will correspond with the Second Coming of Christ.

Daniel's contemporaries probably understood this in a general way from prophets like Isaiah who spoke of this often.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Righteousness is doing the right thing or being in the right. The prophets mention that Jerusalem was a righteous city, but fell along the way. They also predict that Jerusalem will one day be a righteous city again. Check me, but I believe that time will correspond with the Second Coming of Christ.

Daniel's contemporaries probably understood this in a general way from prophets like Isaiah who spoke of this often.

Amen

Not only will the city be eternally righteous, but so will its inhabitants.

As the prophets say, they will never revisit their sins and their idolotries again.

 

[jeffweeder]

Righteousness is doing the right thing or being in the right. The prophets mention that Jerusalem was a righteous city, but fell along the way.

So it was never seen as being everlastingly righteous. Why are you guys not giving Jesus all the glory here?

They also predict that Jerusalem will one day be a righteous city again. Check me, but I believe that time will correspond with the Second Coming of Christ.

Yes. Jesus has gone to prepare a place for us that he brings with him when he comes. It clearly will not be on this old fallen earth.


21 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away (vanished), and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, arrayed like a bride adorned for her husband; 3 and then I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “See! The tabernacle of God is among men, and He will live among them, and they will be His people, and God Himself will be with them [as their God,] 4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be death; there will no longer be sorrow and anguish, or crying, or pain; for the former order of things has passed away.”

5 And He who sits on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also He said, “Write, for these words are faithful and true [they are accurate, incorruptible, and trustworthy].” 6 And He said to me, “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I will give [water] from the fountain of the water of life without cost.


12 “Behold, I (Jesus) am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to the merit of his deeds (earthly works, faithfulness). 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End [the Eternal One].”

14 Blessed (happy, prosperous, to be admired) are those who wash their robes [in the blood of Christ by believing and trusting in Him—the righteous who do His commandments], so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs [the godless, the impure, those of low moral character] and the sorcerers [with their intoxicating drugs, and magic arts], and the immoral persons [the perverted, the molesters, and the adulterers], and the murderers, and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying (deception, cheating).

The Final Invitation​

16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you and to give you assurance of these things for the churches. I am the Root (the Source, the Life) and the Offspring of David, the radiant and bright Morning Star.”

17 The [Holy] Spirit and the bride (the church, believers) say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take and drink the water of life without cost.


Heb 12
18 For you have not come [as did the Israelites in the wilderness] to a mountain that can be touched and to a blazing fire, and to gloom and darkness and a raging windstorm, 19 and to the blast of a trumpet and a sound of words [such that] those who heard it begged that nothing more be said to them. 20 For they could not bear the command, “If even a wild animal touches the mountain, it will be stoned [to death].” 21 In fact, so terrifying was the sight, that Moses said, “I am filled with fear and trembling.”

22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels [in festive gathering], 23 and to the general assembly and assembly of the firstborn who are registered [as citizens] in heaven, and to God, who is Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous (the redeemed in heaven) who have been made perfect [bringing them to their final glory], 24 and to Jesus, the Mediator of a new covenant [uniting God and man], and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks [of mercy], a better and nobler and more gracious message than the blood of Abel [which cried out for vengeance].

The Unshaken Kingdom​

25 See to it that you do not refuse [to listen to] Him who is speaking [to you now]. For if those [sons of Israel] did not escape when they refused [to listen to] him who warned them on earth [revealing God’s will], how much less will we escape if we turn our backs on Him who warns from heaven? 26 His voice shook the earth [at Mount Sinai] then, but now He has given a promise, saying, “Yet once more I will shake not only the earth, but also the [starry] heaven.” 27 Now this [expression], “Yet once more,” indicates the removal and final transformation of all those things which can be shaken—that is, of that which has been created—so that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, and offer to God pleasing service and acceptable worship with reverence and awe; 29 for our God is [indeed] a consuming fire.

 

[CadyandZoe]

So it was never seen as being everlastingly righteous. Why are you guys not giving Jesus all the glory here?

I'm sorry if that is the impression I am leaving you. Jesus certainly deserves all glory, and I will acknowledge that forever, just as I know you will also.

I suggest that Daniel 9:24 was not written to provide a description of the actions that Jesus, the Messiah, would take. Rather, the intention was to motivate the Jewish people to accomplish certain tasks before the appointed time. Unfortunately, these objectives were not met, and as a result, God brought the Romans against Israel and particularly Jerusalem. In the future, Jesus will fulfill all of these tasks, which is why he is deserving of all honor and praise.

Yes. Jesus has gone to prepare a place for us that he brings with him when he comes. It clearly will not be on this old fallen earth.

Agreed.

 

[MatthewG]

Daniel 9

New Living Translation

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Daniel’s Prayer for His People​

9 It was the first year of the reign of Darius the Mede, the son of Ahasuerus, who became king of the Babylonians.[a]

2 During the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, learned from reading the word of the Lord, as revealed to Jeremiah the prophet, that Jerusalem must lie desolate for seventy years.[b]

3 So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and fasting. I also wore rough burlap and sprinkled myself with ashes.

4 I prayed to the Lord my God and confessed:
“O Lord, you are a great and awesome God! You always fulfill your covenant and keep your promises of unfailing love to those who love you and obey your commands.

5 But we have sinned and done wrong. We have rebelled against you and scorned your commands and regulations.

6 We have refused to listen to your servants the prophets, who spoke on your authority to our kings and princes and ancestors and to all the people of the land.

7 “Lord, you are in the right; but as you see, our faces are covered with shame. This is true of all of us, including the people of Judah and Jerusalem and all Israel, scattered near and far, wherever you have driven us because of our disloyalty to you.

8 O Lord, we and our kings, princes, and ancestors are covered with shame because we have sinned against you.

9 But the Lord our God is merciful and forgiving, even though we have rebelled against him.

10 We have not obeyed the Lord our God, for we have not followed the instructions he gave us through his servants the prophets.

11 All Israel has disobeyed your instruction and turned away, refusing to listen to your voice.
“So now the solemn curses and judgments written in the Law of Moses, the servant of God, have been poured down on us because of our sin.

12 You have kept your word and done to us and our rulers exactly as you warned. Never has there been such a disaster as happened in Jerusalem.

13 Every curse written against us in the Law of Moses has come true. Yet we have refused to seek mercy from the Lord our God by turning from our sins and recognizing his truth.

14 Therefore, the Lord has brought upon us the disaster he prepared. The Lord our God was right to do all of these things, for we did not obey him.

15 “O Lord our God, you brought lasting honor to your name by rescuing your people from Egypt in a great display of power. But we have sinned and are full of wickedness.

16 In view of all your faithful mercies, Lord, please turn your furious anger away from your city Jerusalem, your holy mountain. All the neighboring nations mock Jerusalem and your people because of our sins and the sins of our ancestors.

17 “O our God, hear your servant’s prayer! Listen as I plead. For your own sake, Lord, smile again on your desolate sanctuary.

18 “O my God, lean down and listen to me. Open your eyes and see our despair. See how your city—the city that bears your name—lies in ruins. We make this plea, not because we deserve help, but because of your mercy.

19 “O Lord, hear. O Lord, forgive. O Lord, listen and act! For your own sake, do not delay, O my God, for your people and your city bear your name.”​

Gabriel’s Message about the Anointed One​

20 I went on praying and confessing my sin and the sin of my people, pleading with the Lord my God for Jerusalem, his holy mountain.

21 As I was praying, Gabriel, whom I had seen in the earlier vision, came swiftly to me at the time of the evening sacrifice.

22 He explained to me, “Daniel, I have come here to give you insight and understanding.

23 The moment you began praying, a command was given. And now I am here to tell you what it was, for you are very precious to God. Listen carefully so that you can understand the meaning of your vision.

24 “A period of seventy sets of seven[c] has been decreed for your people and your holy city to finish their rebellion, to put an end to their sin, to atone for their guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to confirm the prophetic vision, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.[d]

25 Now listen and understand! Seven sets of seven plus sixty-two sets of seven[e] will pass from the time the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until a ruler—the Anointed One[f]—comes. Jerusalem will be rebuilt with streets and strong defenses,[g] despite the perilous times.

26 “After this period of sixty-two sets of seven,[h] the Anointed One will be killed, appearing to have accomplished nothing, and a ruler will arise whose armies will destroy the city and the Temple. The end will come with a flood, and war and its miseries are decreed from that time to the very end.

27 The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven,[i] but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds,[j] he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration,[k] until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him.”​

 

[jeffweeder]

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I suggest that Daniel 9:24 was not written to provide a description of the actions that Jesus, the Messiah, would take. Rather, the intention was to motivate the Jewish people to accomplish certain tasks before the appointed time. Unfortunately, these objectives were not met, and as a result, God brought the Romans against Israel and particularly Jerusalem.

God was always going to bring the Romans against them.
26 Then after the sixty-two weeks [of years] the Anointed One will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the [other] prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.

Jesus said the reason for this was...

Luke 19:44
and they will level you to the ground, you [Jerusalem] and your children within you. They will not leave in you one stone on another, all because you did not [come progressively to] recognize [from observation and personal experience] the time of your visitation [when God was gracious toward you and offered you salvation].”

In the future, Jesus will fulfill all of these tasks, which is why he is deserving of all honor and praise.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Someone brought this up in another forum. The poster was saying the “time fulfilled” in Mark 1:15 was Daniel’s 69 weeks.

I wonder which forum?

Forums are where it's at.

Me and a couple guys figured this out on a forum a long time ago.

The data comes in quicker in a forum format than from books, articles or videos.

I was also writing about this on another forum. I was replying to ForeHisglory about Jesus' statement of the "time" being fulfilled referring to the Daniel 9 "time" of 7 and 62 weeks.

Then Cyberseeker replied to ForeHisglory stating that he agreed with the above poster, which was (me).

Cyberseeker, AKA Christian Gedge, went on to point out that prior in the chronology to this statement by Jesus:

“The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”​

John the Baptist had said:

“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”​

They're both agreeing that it's at hand, but Jesus is adding that extra little detail about the "time" itself is in fact fulfilled, completed, pointing to that line of demarcation ending the 7 and 62, and initiating the start of the 70th heptad.

I kept getting banned, me and Tim in PA, on that forum by Shepardsworld. He was in some kind of a romance with Karaite. And then she quit. Lol.

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I don’t think I agree with that but I thought it would make for good discussion here.

I do agree.

I know that it's true.

But we still have to pray and ask first and foremost for understanding. Because only He can give wisdom to the wise. Only He reveals the deep and the hidden things.

"And I heard a man's voice between the banks of the Ulai, and it called, “Gabriel, make this man understand the vision.”- Daniel 8:16​

What are your thoughts on what time this is referring to?

Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Jesus was talking about the completion of the 7 and 62 weeks after the Artaxerxes decree in 457BC.

Jesus said this around the springtime of 27AD.

Jesus was crucified on Friday, April 7 30AD.

The two most prominent Bible Calendar students, Larry Wilson, and Christian Gedge, agree with this timeline.

One way it might be proved to an individual is to review the Leviticus rules for the Passover count. Then you can bring up the timeanddate.com calendars for March and April Israel in 30AD. You can count for yourself with your own eyes from the new moon in March, the timeline to when Jesus said that day:

“I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before My suffering. ... . - Luke 22:15​

Jesus was following conjunction by eating the correct Passover with His disciples on Thursday. The Old Time Jews were going by the sighting of the first sliver of the silvery moon, so were a day late on Friday.

With His arrest, His suffering, triggering the 3 day countdown.

And that's another subject.

I don't really agree wholeheartedly with the rest of the posters on this thread. Though I think that the time to post the empirical is past, my view on Daniel 9 continues to grow as radical as ever.

Like Isaac Newton said while addressing the enigmatic language of the 7 AND 62 also applying to the second coming, and about Daniel's prophecies reaching down to the end of time,

"For Daniel’s Prophecies reach to the end of the world; and there is scarce a Prophecy in the Old Testament concerning Christ, which doth not in something or other relate to his second coming.​

Newton was right because the two new decrees are here now. Daniel 9 is not over. WE are Daniel's People now, and Daniel's holy city is the NEW Jerusalem. Daniel 9 is the only place that really lays out the detail for the timing for the coming of Christ.

We are still in the Daniel 9 timeline of the 7 and 62 weeks, because there have been two more modern day decrees to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem set out at those exact 7 and 62 week intervals.

That cannot be a random chance occurrence. Because of this, both the people who are saying that the 70th week is past, and the people who are saying that the 70th week is future, are both correct. The 70th week is now. The same "time" intervals have been fulfilled. Again.

Price action makes for market commentary. Trade the charts first, do not trade a story. There's too many stories out there. The pilot flies by instrumentation when visibility is poor. We see through the glass dimly.

Our price action, our charts, our technical analysis as Bible prophecy students, are the 18 prophetic time periods found in Daniel and Revelation. Finding any of these time periods in real time will be the litmus test for which doctrine is true.

The two modern day decrees to restore Jerusalem, force Daniel 9 to be continuing now into our modern day. So I have to look again and again at these 70 weeks verses to see if they could be concealing any information that might be pertaining to the here and the now.

26And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.​

This is definitely speaking to the first century. Jesus was cut off after 62 weeks, at the midpoint of the following and last heptad. Satan's people were then empowered to destroy Jerusalem. That's it. The end of the first century narrative.

But even here we reach all the way down to the end of time, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

27And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”​

Could this be something different? It has to be. The judgment of the living. Jesus making a covenant with many for one week. The sealing the servants of the Living God. This has to happen before Christ appears, for when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.

We are in this week now. We are past the half of the week where Jesus puts an end to sacrifice and offering. This could be the scene we see in Heaven's Temple in Revelation 8, where the censer is cast down. The censer is used at the alter of incense in Heaven's Temple.

And on the wing of abominations, abortions, murders, adultery, same sex marriage, many abominations, shall come one, (Satan), who will make desolate. We are right here now as this is happening, and is about to happen.

Until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.

The land has become defiled, and the Earth will vomit out it's inhabitants.

Even so, Come Lord Jesus.
Peaceful Sabbath.