The Time is Fulfilled

[marks]

Someone brought this up in another forum. The poster was saying the “time fulfilled” in Mark 1:15 was Daniel’s 69 weeks.

I don’t think I agree with that but I thought it would make for good discussion here.

What are your thoughts on what time this is referring to?

Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

I don't know where that is explicitly stated, so I think we only have our opinions. My is that this is correct, Jesus was speaking toward the fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy.

Much love!

 

[jeffweeder]

I don't know when the 70 weeks started. I lean toward the 70 weeks being literal weeks mainly because of Daniel 9:27. Jesus literally fulfilled that verse exactly. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on palm Sunday, was crucified and rose again exactly one week later, confirming the covenant God made with Abraham.

7 and 62 weeks until Messiah, from the going forth of the decree, cannot be ignored.
The Prophet we should be listening to regarding the coming and anointing and arrival of the Messiah is his forerunner John the baptist.

Jn 1
29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is He on behalf of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I and has priority over me, for He existed before me.’ 31 I did not recognize Him [as the Messiah]; but I came baptizing in water so that He would be [publicly] revealed to Israel.”

32 John gave [further] evidence [testifying officially for the record, with validity and relevance], saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. 33 I did not recognize Him [as the Messiah], but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this One is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 I myself have [actually] seen [that happen], and my testimony is that this is the Son of God!”

 

[Eternally Grateful]

7 and 62 weeks until Messiah, from the going forth of the decree, cannot be ignored.
The Prophet we should be listening to regarding the coming and anointing of the Messiah is his forerunner John the baptist.

Jn 1
29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is He on behalf of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I and has priority over me, for He existed before me.’ 31 I did not recognize Him [as the Messiah]; but I came baptizing in water so that He would be [publicly] revealed to Israel.”

32 John gave [further] evidence [testifying officially for the record, with validity and relevance], saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. 33 I did not recognize Him [as the Messiah], but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this One is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 I myself have [actually] seen [that happen], and my testimony is that this is the Son of God!”

Can you show in the OT where that would be the messiah and how Israel would have recognized him as such up to that point?

 

[IndianaRob]

when did Jesus confirm that covenant.. and did he confirm it for only 1 week?

Palm Sunday started Passion week. Jesus kicked off the events that would lead to his death, burial and resurrection that week. That confirmed that the promises made to Abraham were accomplished. Paul mentions Jesus confirming that covenant here:

Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

 

[IndianaRob]

7 and 62 weeks until Messiah, from the going forth of the decree, cannot be ignored.
The Prophet we should be listening to regarding the coming and anointing and arrival of the Messiah is his forerunner John the baptist.

Jn 1
29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is He on behalf of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I and has priority over me, for He existed before me.’ 31 I did not recognize Him [as the Messiah]; but I came baptizing in water so that He would be [publicly] revealed to Israel.”

32 John gave [further] evidence [testifying officially for the record, with validity and relevance], saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. 33 I did not recognize Him [as the Messiah], but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this One is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 I myself have [actually] seen [that happen], and my testimony is that this is the Son of God!”

I'm not ignoring the 7 and 62 weeks, I just don't know when the decree to restore and build Jerusalem was given. That's kind of what I'm hoping to learn in this discussion.

 

[MatthewG]

I don't think the temple has anything to do with Daniel 9 but there are two things that we do know. Eliah (John the Baptist) came and restored all things and Jesus built heavenly Jerusalem as shown in Hebrew 12:22 that you posted.

All glory to Yahava, and the Lord Yeshua, friend.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Palm Sunday started Passion week. Jesus kicked off the events that would lead to his death, burial and resurrection that week. That confirmed that the promises made to Abraham were accomplished. Paul mentions Jesus confirming that covenant here:

Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

What does that have to do with Dan 29. Dan 9 is about Israel who were/are in sin, and the city of Jerusalem. which is the context of Dan 9? Also.. you have only 7 literal days, where is the last 7 years (70th week)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm not ignoring the 7 and 62 weeks, I just don't know when the decree to restore and build Jerusalem was given. That's kind of what I'm hoping to learn in this discussion.

Nehemiah 2..

 

[jeffweeder]

Can you show in the OT where that would be the messiah and how Israel would have recognized him as such up to that point?

John the Baptist testifies himself that he is the voice in the Wilderness....Is 40:3 see John1.
He is testifying of one who was actually before him being Yahweh.... God with us yes.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

John the Baptist testifies himself that he is the voice in the Wilderness....Is 40:3 see John1.
He is testifying of one who was actually before him being Yahweh.... God with us yes.

what part of that did Jesus actually fulfill in his first advent?

 

[jeffweeder]

I'm not ignoring the 7 and 62 weeks, I just don't know when the decree to restore and build Jerusalem was given. That's kind of what I'm hoping to learn in this discussion.

Your choices are limited to those Persian decrees because the 70 literal years of Babylonian captivity were at an end. While Daniel was still in Prayer in Dan 9 Gabriel came with an answer. The clock began to tick and the time was fulfilled when Gabriel showed up again in Luke 1.

 

[IndianaRob]

What does that have to do with Dan 29. Dan 9 is about Israel who were/are in sin, and the city of Jerusalem. which is the context of Dan 9? Also.. you have only 7 literal days, where is the last 7 years (70th week)

I agree part of it is about Israel and earthly Jerusalem but it's concerning the end of Israel and earthly Jerusalem. Daniel 9 is a prophecy of the messiah coming and taking the kingdom away from the Jews.

 

[jeffweeder]

what part of that did Jesus actually fulfill in his first advent?

Not sure what you mean but Jesus accomplished all that the Father gave him to do.

Jn 17
3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true [supreme and sovereign] God, and [in the same manner know] Jesus [as the] Christ whom You have sent. 4 I have glorified You [down here] on the earth by completing the work that You gave Me to do. 5 Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory and majesty that I had with You before the world existed.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I agree part of it is about Israel and earthly Jerusalem but it's concerning the end of Israel and earthly Jerusalem. Daniel 9 is a prophecy of the messiah coming and taking the kingdom away from the Jews.

Can you please show me this in context, Where in Dan 9 does it say this? I must be honest. I have never heard this before.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not sure what you mean but Jesus accomplished all that the Father gave him to do.

Jn 17
3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true [supreme and sovereign] God, and [in the same manner know] Jesus [as the] Christ whom You have sent. 4 I have glorified You [down here] on the earth by [c]completing the work that You gave Me to do. 5 Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory and majesty that I had with You before the world existed.

but what does this have to do with Daniel 9. or when the messiah would come at the end of the 69th week?

 

[IndianaRob]

Nehemiah 2..

I'm sorry for my ignorance but I would like to understand your view. What does Nehemiah 2 have to do with Daniel 9?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm sorry for my ignorance but I would like to understand your view. What does Nehemiah 2 have to do with Daniel 9?

Daniel 9 says from the command to restore Jerusalem (the city, not the temple) .

Nehemiah 2 is where that command is given.. It is at that command that the 7 and 62 weeks begin/

we are told it will be that 7 plus 62 weeks until the messiah comes.

 

[jeffweeder]

but what does this have to do with Daniel 9. or when the messiah would come at the end of the 69th week?

He came to bring complete atonement etc in 70 weeks. That was the work he accomplished in full.

2 He instructed me and he talked with me and said, “O Daniel, I have now come to give you insight and wisdom and understanding. 23 At the beginning of your supplications, the command [to give you an answer] was issued, and I have come to tell you, for you are highly regarded and greatly beloved. Therefore consider the message and begin to understand the [meaning of the] vision.

Seventy Weeks and the Messiah​

24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God), to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

He came to bring complete atonement etc in 70 weeks. That was the work he accomplished in full.

2 He instructed me and he talked with me and said, “O Daniel, I have now come to give you insight and wisdom and understanding. 23 At the beginning of your supplications, the command [to give you an answer] was issued, and I have come to tell you, for you are highly regarded and greatly beloved. Therefore consider the message and begin to understand the [meaning of the] vision.

Seventy Weeks and the Messiah​

24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God), to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem),
----This is who the prophecy is about. Israel and Jerusalem
to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins,
-----When Did Israel end her sins and transgressions (for which theyu were being punsihed)?
to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God), to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.
-----When did Jesus get anointed and why is he not sitting on Davids throne in Jerusalem? as it was said he would do?

 

[jeffweeder]

24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem),
----This is who the prophecy is about.

Yes, but at the same time God so loved the entire world that he sent his Son. He has Gentile Sheep also that he must bring once the New cov had been confirmed to Israel in 70 weeks by the power and anointing of the Holy Spirit. Both Messiah and his Disciples had this anointing which confirmed the New cov for the full 70th week.

When Did Israel end her sins and transgressions (for which theyu were being punsihed)?

Israel or anyone else will never end their own sins. Jesus blood brings atonement for the sins of the whole world through repentance once and for all.