The THREE DAYS of Christ.

[ScottA]

Sorry, ScottA, if you were quoting what I had posted, I would have been happy to admit it, but I had not quoted Matthew 12:40 in my posts above. Your wriggle room is diminishing in trying to paint a false picture of what I have posted in this thread.

because of your stubborn refusal to admitting to an error in the OP re the actual day on which the Lord died around the ninth hour, this toing and throwing is going nowhere. I await your correction in your OP where the original error occurred on your part.

I will see you around like a raw prawn on a hot rock.

You mimic the words of the lawyers and Pharisees, and make accusations like a son. Squirm, squirm, you give yourself away, even to the end.

I have corrected you so many times I have lost count. Still, though you keep trying, you can't get even.

 

[Jay Ross]

I have corrected you so many times I have lost count. Still, though you keep trying, you can't get even.

Scott, I do not have to get even. That is your fanciful delusion. Me, I am just sad at your attempts to paint me in a negative manner.

 

[ScottA]

Scott, I do not have to get even. That is your fanciful delusion. Me, I am just sad at your attempts to paint me in a negative manner.

Your psychological projecting, is on you

 

[rstrats]

re: "Jesus died on the cross. He died on Friday..."

If by Friday you mean the 6th day of the week, how do you account for the lack of the 3rd night that the Messiah said would be involved with His time in the "heart of the earth"?

 

[ScottA]

If by Friday you mean the 6th day of the week, how do you account for the lack of the 3rd night that the Messiah said would be involved with His time in the "heart of the earth"?

The passages hold two narratives: one of the events according to this world (of which His kingdom is not), and the other according to heaven wherein there is no night.

But don't get lost in the details, as they intentionally include traps for the wicked.

 

[rstrats]

The passages hold two narratives: one of the events according to this world (of which His kingdom is not), and the other according to heaven wherein there is no night.

But don't get lost in the details, as they intentionally include traps for the wicked.

Those comments don't answer my question.

 

[ScottA]

Those comments don't answer my question.

Perhaps you are not understanding. A "day" is made up of "night" and "day", or "darkness" and "light", or is even stated as "the evening" and "the morning."

Therefore, if one is considering the saving acts of Messiah, they are performed in the days of "darkness", but are recording in heaven as during the days of "light." Meaning, the passages are easily conf.used as including both in every reference to them--but they are not the same. It is for this reason that Paul counseled "rightly dividing the word of truth"--which is to say, between what is of the darkness/world and what is of the light/heaven. Thus, the error in interpretation and understanding of the supposed three days and three nights in heart of the earth, comes from mixing or assuming they are the same...when they most certainly are not.

 

[Webers_Home]

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● Matt 12:39-40 . . As Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of
a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the
heart of the earth.

A preponderance of textual evidence indicates Jesus' crucified dead body
was restored to life during the third day rather than after the third was all
over and done with.

Matt 17:22-23
Matt 20:18-19
Mark 9:31
Luke 9:22
Luke 18:33
Luke 24:5-8
Luke 24:21-23
Luke 24:46
John 2:19
Acts 10:40
1Cor 15:4

FAQ: What about Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31? They say "after" the third day
rather than during the third.

REPLY: To begin with, those verses are outnumbered 11÷2

Plus; the Greek word translated "after" is somewhat ambiguous. It can
indicate moments following the conclusion of an event, but it can also
indicate moments within an event. I suggest letting the 11÷2 majority
decide how best to interpret the intent of Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31.

FAQ: Luke 24:21-23 says the morning that women came to the cemetery
was the third day. How can that be true when the sun wasn't up yet when
they arrived?

REPLY: That's a mite confusing due to a natural day following close on the
heels of a liturgical day.

Whereas liturgical days were a twenty-four hour amalgam of daytime and
nighttime; natural days consisted of only twelve hours of daytime. (John
11:9-10)

The day preceding the first day of the week was a sabbath (Matt 28:1)
which began at sunset Friday and ended at sunset Saturday. So that in
accord with liturgy the first day of the week began with sunset Saturday,
whereas in accord with nature it began with sunrise Sunday.

FAQ: Can the hours of darkness during Jesus' crucifixion be counted as one
of the three nights?

REPLY: Jesus survived those hours. Matt 12:40 requires that he be dead and
buried.
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[ScottA]

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● Matt 12:39-40 . . As Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of
a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the
heart of the earth.

A preponderance of textual evidence indicates Jesus' crucified dead body
was restored to life during the third day rather than after the third was all
over and done with.

Matt 17:22-23
Matt 20:18-19
Mark 9:31
Luke 9:22
Luke 18:33
Luke 24:5-8
Luke 24:21-23
Luke 24:46
John 2:19
Acts 10:40
1Cor 15:4

FAQ: What about Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31? They say "after" the third day
rather than during the third.

REPLY: To begin with, those verses are outnumbered 11÷2

Plus; the Greek word translated "after" is somewhat ambiguous. It can
indicate moments following the conclusion of an event, but it can also
indicate moments within an event. I suggest letting the 11÷2 majority
decide how best to interpret the intent of Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31.

FAQ: Luke 24:21-23 says the morning that women came to the cemetery
was the third day. How can that be true when the sun wasn't up yet when
they arrived?

REPLY: That's a mite confusing due to a natural day following close on the
heels of a liturgical day.

Whereas liturgical days were a twenty-four hour amalgam of daytime and
nighttime; natural days consisted of only twelve hours of daytime. (John
11:9-10)

The day preceding the first day of the week was a sabbath (Matt 28:1)
which began at sunset Friday and ended at sunset Saturday. So that in
accord with liturgy the first day of the week began with sunset Saturday,
whereas in accord with nature it began with sunrise Sunday.

FAQ: Can the hours of darkness during Jesus' crucifixion be counted as one
of the three nights?

REPLY: Jesus survived those hours. Matt 12:40 requires that he be dead and
buried.
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The point is...not to consider the three days as the topic, but rather as a sign of the actual topic which they point to and otherwise only demonstrate in an elementary way, like an emoticon--which is a stumbling block to divert the wicked.

The greater three-day topic refers rather to the greater plan of God for all time and salvation. The first revelation of the overall plan of God was in the beginning, given in the seven days of creation. Then in Daniel's prophecy, Daniel equates the seven days as three in "a time, times, and half a time." Jesus then, in fulfilling all things within the small span of His natural lifetime, refers to the three days...which than are to be considered through the lens of the seven in three segments: the times leading up to salvation (portrayed according to the flesh), followed by the times of the spirit of God being poured out upon all flesh, beginning at Pentecost. Which accounts for two of the three days/times or segments stated by Daniel. The other day/time is the day of Christ wherein He fulfills Daniel's prophecy of being in the middle and being cut off, putting an end to the daily sacrifice.

By God's first revealing His overall plans for times and salvation, then Jesus revealing what was prophesied...for those who have eyes to see that greater picture--that parable of world history revealing the greater plan of God. By this, we should know where we are in the overall plan of God.

 

[Webers_Home]

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● Jonah 1:17 . . The Lord provided a great fish to swallow Jonah, and he was
inside the fish three days and three nights

FAQ: Was Jonah alive in the fish?

REPLY: Yes. (Jonah 2:1)

FAQ: The whole time?

REPLY: No; at some point in his nautical adventure Jonah went to a place called
sheol (Jonah 2:2) which is located at the roots of the mountains. (Jonah 2:6)

Well; the roots of the mountains aren't anchored in the tummies of fish, nor
are they anchored under the sea, rather: they're anchored underground
deep in the earth. So, the only way that Jonah could possibly be at the roots
of the mountains while simultaneously in the belly of a fish was for the man
and his body to part company and go their separate ways. This is not
impossible because according to Matt 10:28 people can, and do, exist as
disembodied souls.

Also, the language of Jonah's prayer strongly suggests that his corpse was
restored to life, i.e. resurrected.

● Jonah 2:6 . . I descended to the roots of the mountains. The earth with its
bars was around me forever, But Thou hast brought up my life from the pit,
O Lord my God.

The Hebrew word for "pit" basically pertains to holes in the ground, but
sometimes speaks of putrefaction too, e.g. Ps 16:8-10 & Acts 2:25-31. In
other words: had Jonah's body been left inside that fish's tummy for much
longer, it would've been digested to oblivion.

● Matt 12:40 . . For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of
a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the
heart of the earth.

Now when you think about it; Jesus' remains weren't laid to rest in the heart
of the earth; and in point of fact they weren't even buried in the earth's soil.
They were laid to rest up on the surface of the earth, above the soil, in a
rock tomb. So the only way that Jesus could be up on the surface of the
earth while simultaneously down below was for he and his body to part
company and go their separate ways the same as Jonah's did.

Also: it was essential to get Jesus back up on his feet again before a fourth
day to prevent his body from being lost to rot. (John 11:39, Ps 16:8-10,
Acts 2:25-31)

NOTE: Jonah 2:5-7 strongly suggests the prophet was already deceased via
drowning prior to the fish; which makes sense seeing as Jesus was deceased
prior to the tomb, viz: neither man was buried alive.
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[ScottA]

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● Jonah 1:17 . . The Lord provided a great fish to swallow Jonah, and he was
inside the fish three days and three nights

FAQ: Was Jonah alive in the fish?

REPLY: Yes. (Jonah 2:1)

FAQ: The whole time?

REPLY: No; at some point in his nautical adventure Jonah went to a place called
sheol (Jonah 2:2) which is located at the roots of the mountains. (Jonah 2:6)

Well; the roots of the mountains aren't anchored in the tummies of fish, nor
are they anchored under the sea, rather: they're anchored underground
deep in the earth. So, the only way that Jonah could possibly be at the roots
of the mountains while simultaneously in the belly of a fish was for the man
and his body to part company and go their separate ways. This is not
impossible because according to Matt 10:28 people can, and do, exist as
disembodied souls.

Also, the language of Jonah's prayer strongly suggests that his corpse was
restored to life, i.e. resurrected.

● Jonah 2:6 . . I descended to the roots of the mountains. The earth with its
bars was around me forever, But Thou hast brought up my life from the pit,
O Lord my God.

The Hebrew word for "pit" basically pertains to holes in the ground, but
sometimes speaks of putrefaction too, e.g. Ps 16:8-10 & Acts 2:25-31. In
other words: had Jonah's body been left inside that fish's tummy for much
longer, it would've been digested to oblivion.

● Matt 12:40 . . For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of
a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the
heart of the earth.

Now when you think about it; Jesus' remains weren't laid to rest in the heart
of the earth; and in point of fact they weren't even buried in the earth's soil.
They were laid to rest up on the surface of the earth, above the soil, in a
rock tomb. So the only way that Jesus could be up on the surface of the
earth while simultaneously down below was for he and his body to part
company and go their separate ways the same as Jonah's did.

Also: it was essential to get Jesus back up on his feet again before a fourth
day to prevent his body from being lost to rot. (John 11:39, Ps 16:8-10,
Acts 2:25-31)

NOTE: Jonah 2:5-7 strongly suggests the prophet was already deceased via
drowning prior to the fish; which makes sense seeing as Jesus was deceased
prior to the tomb, viz: neither man was buried alive.
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Great study!

The explanation of which points to the overall plan of God for humanity and salvation. Both the creation account of seven days and the three days of Jonah and Jesus' experiences are then parables confirming the greater revelation given to and by Daniel. Each confirms the other. None of which we should get lost in the details of, but understand the very simple parable principle of all times coming together within Christ who stands in the middle between the times of Israel and the times of the gentiles.

It's all a roadmap showing where we now are in the greater scheme of things. We are in the last days appointed to the gentiles, where strong delusion already at work during the time of Christ, is to face correction--or weeping and gnashing of teeth.

How then shall we be found--holding fast to the foretold false doctrines, or on our knees in repentance prepared to change?

 

[rstrats]

Perhaps you are not understanding. A [calendar] "day" is made up of "night" and "day", or "darkness" and "light", or is even stated as "the evening" and "the morning."

Correct. So, when the Messiah said that 3 night times would be involved, why do you think He didn't mean it?

 

[ScottA]

Correct. So, when the Messiah said that 3 night times would be involved, why do you think He didn't mean it?

It is as I said: Because the passage refers to salvation...which is not of the darkness or night, but of heaven.

In other words, as Jesus is a light into darkness, but is not of the darkness, so too salvation in that passage only refers to the Light side of the equation. His act of descending into the depths of the earth is recorded in this world (and of this world), but more importantly it is recorded in heaven. That is what the passage refers to. Thus, counting the days and nights in the manner of this world, was not the point, and not what was being said.

Moreover, the three times or days points to the three days Jesus spoke of, saying "Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.’ Luke 13:32. Which refers to the greater salvation plan of God from beginning to end, meaning all of time. Which was foreshadowed by the seven days of creation, and then separated in to three portions by Daniel...who referred to them as "seventy" (7) and also as "a time, times, and half a time" (3). The seven days or times of God's overall salvation plan has three parts.

All of which can only be, and has only been, revealed in spirit.

 

[rstrats]

I just don't understand how any of that is responsive to the question. They sound like a Kamala Harris word salad. Let me ask you, what do you think the Messiah was referring to when He said that He would be in the "heart of the earth" for 3 nights? What did He mean by heart of the earth?

 

[ScottA]

I just don't understand how any of that is responsive to the question. They sound like a Kamala Harris word salad. Let me ask you, what do you think the Messiah was referring to when He said that He would be in the "heart of the earth" for 3 nights? What did He mean by heart of the earth?

First things first: If you think my explanation is word salad, welcome to the confusion placed upon all language by God at Babel. But it is not my explanation that is confused, but rather the words of scripture which are no exception to His order that all language be confused. My explanation on the other hand comes free of confusion to those who are not immersed in the prior confusion and still using it as if it were not confused and not needing to be spiritually discerned. In other words, by the spirit of God I have unraveled it for you--which until now was under restraint. Fortunately, the time of restraint has passed. These times were therefore to be a time of correction.

As for Jesus in the heart of the earth for three nights (in addition to days), it means: into death, the first and second day to perform miracles and do cures, and the third day to be perfected (Luke 13:32).

The KJV translates Strong's G3571 in the following manner: night (63x), midnight (with G3319) (2x).​

Outline of Biblical Usage​

1. night
2. metaph. the time when work ceases
   1. the time of death

 

[rstrats]

As for Jesus in the heart of the earth for three nights (in addition to days), it means: into death, the first and second day to perform miracles and do cures, and the third day to be perfected (Luke 13:32).

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Does that mean His body was in the tomb for three daytimes and three night times?

 

[ScottA]

Y

Does that mean His body was in the tomb for three daytimes and three night times?

Yes, but as a parable and revelation, it was a spiritual event only portrayed physically in the world/tomb.