The Spiritual Function of the Prophets have ceased !
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marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
Its rather funny/ ironic how you ignore most of it and cannot refute the OP with Scripture as you have nothing but your subjective/emotional opinions about the bible.
Your typical response had been emoji's. That speaks volumes- its called trolling on the net, ad hominem, mocking, ridicule etc.......
Until you engage in an intelligent and respectful manner your posts will be ignored when you quote me. I don't have time for such nonsense.
hope this helps !!!
marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
So my response makes it OK for the church to ignore most of what the scriptures teaches?
You have been talking with me and responding to me . You have yet to show me from scripture anything I have posted contradicts scripture. So far you are arguing a strawman .
hope this helps !!!
marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
No, it doesn't help for the simple reason I don't want to get into a slanging match with you which is what will happen as I have detected that you are not a person with a teachable spirit.
I’m very teachable lol as I was a Calvinist for 40 years and no longer believe their teaching as just one example of many I can provide . I learn on a daily basis . In fact I’m out Mens 5 am discipleship group that meets every Thursday I learned a few new things this morning from Jesus and Peters dialogue on feeding My sheep in John 20. Teachers are students . Those who teach and are not students who are forever learning and growing are not good teachers .
hope this helps !!!
marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
amigo de christo
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POINT to CHRIST JESUS to the last breath my friend .
Just stopping by say to hello and to remind all to stay well dug in the one and only original gospel of CHRIST .
never buy the all inclusive social gospel lie . Okay you all may return to the topic at hand .
Let all praise and thank the glorious Lord .
Right. And Jesus said "the prophets were until John." So in that sense of the foundation with regard to the original 12 apostles and old covenant paradigm prophets I believe you are right.
Though i do believe there are prophets and apostles given to the church today in another sense, not prophets according to the old covenant paradigm, and if any are gifted to be true apostles today they will be found confirming and affirming the foundation and not veering off it. Paul could be taken to be the first apostle gifted this way after the original 12, I believe.
I consider that apostles are what Paul was talking about when he said "ye have not many fathers". So there are not many who are gifted this way, and possibly the overall current state of the church in the west is even preventing some apostles from coming forth. I wonder how it is in other parts of the world where persecution is routine for believers.....maybe they have more apostles...? Or what do they believe concerning this?
I believe like Paul said the church was built ( past tense ) upon the foundation ( only one foundation ) of the Apostles and the Prophets . Paul includes himself on that foundation that was laid in Ephesians . So the office of prophets and apostles are over sine they were the foundation of the church . We have the other offices of pastors . evangelists , teachers and elders who lead the church that was built upon the apostles / prophets .
Did you notice in those words "to those who dwell on the earth" and not those of the church. And yes, they are two prophets, built upon the same foundation(Christ Jesus).
amigo de christo
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The self proclaimed ones cause sorrow and grief unto all who sit under them . For spiritual death is all they do preach n teach .
The other two prophets , they proclaim Gods Word and bring plagues upon the unrepentant of the land .
But the false ones are a grievance unto all who sit under them , for death is what they preach and that will lead only to the second death .
The false prophets will lead and only can lead those who heed them unto death and misery .
Lambs , however , POINT TO CHRIST ALONE who gives LIFE unto all who do believe .
Blessings in Christ Jesus Christophany! These few words are a teaching moment for those who will receive them. They are not my words, they are His words.
Old covenant prophets were until John. But Paul wrote instructions for prophets in the new covenant ekklesia, that they were to take turns and that their prophesying is subject to them, ie, they are able to hold their tongue so that other prophets can have their turn speaking. And I mean I have to consider that we just do see people prophesying in the church today. But they are not writing new scriptures, on that I agree. They prophesy, exhort, encourage, comfort. Bible says the Holy Spirit would show us things to come.
And I agree that the old covenant prophets who wrote scripture form the foundation along with the original 12 apostles who Jesus said would judge the 12 tribes of Israel (believe He was talking about the tribes of the Israel of God, the 12 "tribes" in the church being possibly according to gifts/callings)...the gospel and truths that they preached, taught and wrote, and how they had been personally discipled by Jesus and then began the building of the church (foundation). I have wondered if the 144,000 spoken of in the book of Rev are apostles...they seem as if they are particularly set apart.....following the Lamb wherever He goes, and also sealed. If we check out the number twelve in Revelation.....12,000 sealed from each tribe (12x12000=144000) and how there are twelve foundations in the heavenly city...it does seem as though it is alluding to the twelve apostles and possibly apostleship in the church/Israel of God in a more general way.
It does seem as though there are other apostles alluded to in the new testament, brother....I haven't looked into this before and had to go searching online, and here are some apparent references: Matt 13:55 (Jesus' brother James); Acts 14:14 (Barnabus); 1 Thess 1:1 and 2:6 (Silas and Timothy); 1 Cor 4:6 and 4:9 (Apollos). Also there is another possible one that is not conclusive and is debated over: Rom 16:7 (Andronicus and Junia). But it doesn't seem out of line to me that the original 12 apostles would have been discipling the next generation of apostles to continue the work after they had left this life.
Just a thought, but if apostles are the ones who are especially gifted with grace to make new converts and establish new congregations/churches with the new converts, then maybe we just wouldn't expect to see them in places where the church has already been well established for a long time, such as in the west. Just a thought there. I have never seen any (genuine) apostles that I know of and have never been to countries where Christianity is a pioneering work. I just would be interested to know their thoughts on this (churches in the third world), whether they believe they have apostles among them.
Pathfinder7
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I have been working with Christian leaders..involved in pioneering work (since 1990's)..
- in unreached (restricted) regions/countries.
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Many of them are not into/interested in..about the title (apostle)..
- even though..they are involved in apostolic mission/ministry.
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