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Behold
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Sin is forgiven by the Sacrifice of Jesus... on THE CROSS..
The laying on of hands, by a priest, by a elf, by a witch, by a horse, can not forgive you, cannot deal with your sin..
Only Jesus has been OFFERED by GOD, to this evil sinful world, so that by His Beautiful, Amazing, INCREDIBLE, Sacrifice of Himself on The Cross, we can all become God's Family.
Jesus said. "No person can come to the Father, except by ME", and that is THe Cross OF Christ, which is the only "WAY".. to find forgiveness, that is the only Way to Heaven.
John 14:6
Ritajanice
Born-Again
A Born Again was brought to repentance by God, just before they became Born Of His Spirit...a Born Again doesn’t sin because they have been Born Again of Gods seed.
No I don’t keep repenting....do you know what it means to be Born Of God’s seed?
If you don’t..then you won’t understand what it means that a Born Again doesn’t sin...I mean even Behold will pick you up on that one.
Do you know that we are spirit children of God?
We have a Living spirit birth..when we become Born Again..our spirit is Born Again...it comes Alive in Christ..when his witness the Living Holy Spirit breaths life into our spirit...Spirit is Alive and Active..
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Behold
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Then why did He tell you today, what He's told me over 5 X , and not just me.
@Episkopos said..... "the Cross is NOT about forgiveness".
Be honest with that, @Ritajanice , if you can.
He corrected YOU......and told you that he DID say that,... on THIS THREAD. Post #44
Do you realize this yet?
When will you?
He is here for the last hour....he's read all this.. you've said., and we've said about it.
Did you notice that he has not defended you?
He has not said........"no i didnt say that".
Maybe you can wake up, soon. @Ritajanice
Eternally Grateful
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Behold
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Oh, i can read.
You said this.. TODAY, and now you can't edit out the comment, as its been reposted by a few of us.
@Episkopos wrote...
""""""Hi Rita. .........The bible clearly teaches that the cross is about atonement, NOT forgiveness.""""""" @Ritajanice
Eternally Grateful
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I just reported her again.. I am about sick of being falsly accused by people day after day. and we post proof. yet they still are aloud to continue bearing false witness.
Something you are missing--When God sent Ananias of Damascus to lay hands on Saul/Paul, He never once said that either he or Paul's sins were forgiven.
Maybe it's because neither of them had read the NT yet?...including Paul who wrote most of it...but probably didn't read it after.
Maybe God has a different agenda?
Scriptural Context and Analysis
Acts 9:10-19: The account of Ananias and Saul
Acts 9:10-12 (ESV):
"Now there was a disciple at Damascus named Ananias. The Lord said to him in a vision, 'Ananias.' And he said, 'Here I am, Lord.' And the Lord said to him, 'Rise and go to the street called Straight, and at the house of Judas look for a man of Tarsus named Saul, for behold, he is praying, and he has seen in a vision a man named Ananias come in and lay his hands on him so that he might regain his sight.'"
Acts 9:13-16 (ESV):
"But Ananias answered, 'Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much evil he has done to your saints at Jerusalem. And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on your name.' But the Lord said to him, 'Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel. For I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name.'"
Acts 9:17-19 (ESV):
"So Ananias departed and entered the house. And laying his hands on him he said, 'Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus who appeared to you on the road by which you came has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.' And immediately something like scales fell from his eyes, and he regained his sight. Then he rose and was baptized; and taking food, he was strengthened."
In this passage, God instructs Ananias to lay hands on Saul so he might regain his sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit. The explicit mention of forgiveness is not present in this immediate context, but it is implied through Saul's subsequent baptism and filling with the Holy Spirit.
Acts 22:12-16: Paul's own recounting of his conversion
Acts 22:12-16 (ESV):
"And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, well spoken of by all the Jews who lived there, came to me, and standing by me said to me, ‘Brother Saul, receive your sight.’ And at that very hour I received my sight and saw him. And he said, ‘The God of our fathers appointed you to know his will, to see the Righteous One and to hear a voice from his mouth; for you will be a witness for him to everyone of what you have seen and heard. And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’"
Here, Paul recounts how Ananias told him to be baptized and wash away his sins, calling on Jesus' name. This phrase directly links baptism with the washing away of sins, indicating forgiveness.
Biblical Theology of Forgiveness
Baptism and Forgiveness: In the New Testament, baptism is often associated with the forgiveness of sins. For example, in Acts 2:38, Peter says, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." This shows that baptism is seen as a means through which forgiveness is symbolized and received.
Paul's Teaching: In his letters, Paul emphasizes faith in Jesus Christ as the means of receiving forgiveness and righteousness. For instance, in Romans 3:22-24, Paul writes, "This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."
Exegetical Conclusion
While the specific passage of Acts 9 does not explicitly mention the forgiveness of Saul's sins during his encounter with Ananias, the broader context of Paul's conversion and subsequent teachings in the New Testament indicate that forgiveness was indeed a crucial part of his experience. The command for Saul to be baptized and wash away his sins (Acts 22:16) and the general biblical theology linking baptism with forgiveness (Acts 2:38) affirm that Saul's sins were forgiven through his faith and baptism.
This holistic understanding aligns with the broader New Testament teaching that faith in Jesus Christ and baptism are integral to receiving forgiveness and new life in the Spirit. Thus, even if the specific term "forgiveness" is not used in Acts 9, the narrative and theological context imply that Saul's conversion experience included the forgiveness of his sins.
Your perspective aligns with a significant tradition in Christian theology that emphasizes faith and calling upon the Lord for salvation. This view sees baptism as an important but secondary act that follows the primary act of faith and calling on Jesus for salvation. Let's delve into the scriptural and theological basis for this view.
Scriptural Basis for Calling Upon the Lord
Acts 22:16
Acts 22:16 (ESV):
"And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name."
In this passage, Ananias tells Saul (Paul) to "call on His name" as part of his conversion experience. While baptism is mentioned, the act of calling on Jesus' name is central to receiving forgiveness.
Romans 10:9-13
Romans 10:9-10 (ESV):
"If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved."
Romans 10:13 (ESV):
"For 'everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.'"
Paul emphasizes that salvation comes through confessing and believing in Jesus. The act of calling on the name of the Lord is directly associated with salvation.
Joel 2:32 (quoted in Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13)
Joel 2:32 (ESV):
"And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved."
This Old Testament prophecy, quoted in the New Testament, underscores the importance of calling on God's name for salvation.
Theological Perspective
Faith and Confession
Many Christian traditions emphasize that salvation is by grace through faith, apart from works, including the physical act of baptism.
Ephesians 2:8-9
Ephesians 2:8-9 (ESV):
"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
This passage highlights that salvation is a gift of grace received through faith, not through works or rituals.
John 3:16
John 3:16 (ESV):
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."
The emphasis here is on belief in Jesus as the basis for eternal life.
Baptism as a Symbolic Act
While baptism is an important step of obedience and public declaration of faith, many theologians argue that it is not the act that saves but rather a response to the saving grace received through faith.
Romans 6:3-4
Romans 6:3-4 (ESV):
"Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life."
Baptism symbolizes the believer's identification with Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection. It is an outward sign of an inward grace already received through faith.
1 Peter 3:21
1 Peter 3:21 (ESV):
"Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ."
Peter clarifies that baptism is not about physical cleansing but a pledge of a good conscience towards God, made possible by the resurrection of Jesus.
J.
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
Who said I was talking about the post that you posted about Epi.
I said I will pick you up on your nonsense....I didn’t mention anything about what you posted about Epi.
You post nonsense at times on the forum...report away...and I will pick you up on your nonsense..like the Bible is Alive in the Spirit.....” Nonsense “!!!
God is Alive in the Spirit not the penned word.
Eternally Grateful
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You have no one to blame but yourself\
You said Epi did not say something
Multiple people posted the very words where he did say what we accused him of
Then you went on a tear trying to tell us we were wrong.
its time for you to own up to your mistakes.. You can;t keep lying about people..
Its not about what I post. If I post something, I will own it.
You always want to blame shift. you never take accountability.
So do you say your sorry when you sin before The Lord in prayer?
Ritajanice
Born-Again
I did NOT say you were wrong..you quoted his posts, so yes that is what Epi said........are you listening?
I said I confronted him on another about the cross...he said of course the cross is about forgiveness ....so I go by what he said to me and he will back it up....
Ritajanice
Born-Again
What’s the point of answering you?
When you haven’t been able to respond to my questions about the Living spirit birth?
Understanding what I said....can only be witnessed to our heart/ spirit..by Gods Living witness His Living Holy Spirit?
Do you understand the Living spirit birth?...that’s why you aren’t understanding Born Of God’s seed.
I never repent, never!...I’ve already repented..once to God and once only..ask @Behold he may help you understand .
In the Epistle to the Romans (8:26-27) Saint Paul states: In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans
Do you actually understand anything I posted?
Let me give you an example. Suppose you were a teenager again and you really wanted to go to the beach with your friends and you were the one with the car. And your friends were edging you on to siphon some gas from you dad's car. So you gave in and started to do this. But as you were doing this, your Dad(your Father) pulled up in your mothers car and caught you in the act. Would your love for your Father cause you to say "I am Sorry" and to never do that again?
Wrangler
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
If you don’t understand my posts, that is why you think you should keep repenting over and over..you haven’t addressed any of my questions ..so that speaks for itself.
1Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him. 2Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears,a we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is. 3And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure.b 4Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness.c 5But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him. 7Little children,d let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous.e 8The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil. 9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother. |
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I've understood you since you came here last march. Contention does not work here, nor insults. Try The Lord's Prayer.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
If you’ve understood me why haven’t you answered my questions?
Try this, it’s understood in our spirit.
1Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him. 2Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears,a we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is. 3And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure.b 4Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness.c 5But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him. 7Little children,d let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous.e 8The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil. 9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother. |
There seems to be a heart-felt contempt seen in a couple of members posts here, a very poor look for those who claim the name of Jesus.
Much love!
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