The Second Death Destroys Man's False Amill Theory

[TribulationSigns]

I Disagree

Thought so. Thats the best you can response without biblical refutation.

Typically.

 

[WPM]

Per Revelation 22, one of the major changes with the future new heavens and a new earth time, is then there will be NO MORE DEATH. That's huge!

Rev 21:1
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
KJV

Rev 21:4
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
KJV


However, for Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect beginning at His future return, we are told there will still exist the "second death", and what it is, i.e., the casting of the unsaved into the future "lake of fire" AFTER... the "thousand years" period.

Rev 20:4-6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
KJV

Those of the "first resurrection" of course mean the saved, Christ's elect that reign with Him.

Did you notice in that time there will exist the concept of a "SECOND DEATH", and that it is NOT for those of the "first resurrection"??

Use a little common sense now and ask yourself, since that "second death" is NOT for those who live and reign with Christ, then WHO is it for? For the UNSAVED, or course!!

Do you realize what that means for men's false theory of Amillennialism which believes all... the unsaved are destroyed on the day of Christ's return???

It means that Amillennialism theory is FALSE, COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY FALSE!

And all it took was one simple little look at that concept of the "second death" for the wicked and unsaved, which is their casting into the "lake of fire" AFTER the "thousand years" reign by Christ and His elect is over (see Rev.20).

It would actually help if you understood Amillennialism first before coming out with such nonsense. You obviously do not have a clue what the belief teaches.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Those Scriptures do not include the detail of the "second death" that the Book of Revelation does. Haven't you yet discovered that the meaning of the word Revelation means 'the revealing'? If Jesus had given the details about the second death there in Matthew 25, and likewise Paul in 2 Thess.1, would the Book of Revelation have been even needed for the Church??

Do you think "everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels" is something different than the lake of fire? If so, explain the difference.

It's obvious that you have drunken a doctrine of men devised 'outside' The Bible, and have forgotten that Jesus gave us His Book of Revelation to show FURTHER DETAILS of what He had said before during His Ministry on earth. And this is just common sense; one does not have to be a brain surgeon to understand this point.

Spiritual discernment is required to understand the truth about these things, not "common sense". The natural man tries to use common sense to understand it and that doesn't work.

1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Brethren, there again the above reveals a DENIAL of the Bible Scriptures about the "second death" in Revelation 20 that will be in effect for the UNSAVED that will still exist throughout Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect. Amillennialists like jeffweeder simply pic n' choose Bible Scripture that only mentions destruction of the wicked, WITHOUT including Christ's details He gave later about the "second death" during His future "thousand years" reign per Revelation 20.

Amillennialists would rather that we just tear out those sections of Scripture like Revelation 20 with later details Jesus Christ Himself gave us, as if they never existed. If that is not an obvious attempt to deceive, and a work of the devil, then please tell me what is.

More nonsense from you. Do you have anything else to offer? No one can take you seriously. Your interpretation of Revelation 20 contradicts other scriptures like Matthew 25:31-46 and 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, as Jeff has pointed out to you. But, you're not interested in learning anything. You are the one picking and choosing which scripture to accept and which to reject. You make no effort to accept all of them and reconcile them together.

 

[Marty fox]

Per Revelation 22, one of the major changes with the future new heavens and a new earth time, is then there will be NO MORE DEATH. That's huge!

Rev 21:1
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
KJV

Rev 21:4
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
KJV


However, for Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect beginning at His future return, we are told there will still exist the "second death", and what it is, i.e., the casting of the unsaved into the future "lake of fire" AFTER... the "thousand years" period.

Rev 20:4-6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
KJV

Those of the "first resurrection" of course mean the saved, Christ's elect that reign with Him.

Did you notice in that time there will exist the concept of a "SECOND DEATH", and that it is NOT for those of the "first resurrection"??

Use a little common sense now and ask yourself, since that "second death" is NOT for those who live and reign with Christ, then WHO is it for? For the UNSAVED, or course!!

Do you realize what that means for men's false theory of Amillennialism which believes all... the unsaved are destroyed on the day of Christ's return???

It means that Amillennialism theory is FALSE, COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY FALSE!

And all it took was one simple little look at that concept of the "second death" for the wicked and unsaved, which is their casting into the "lake of fire" AFTER the "thousand years" reign by Christ and His elect is over (see Rev.20).

I have no idea of how you think that this debunks the amill theory

 

[WPM]

More nonsense from you. Do you have anything else to offer? No one can take you seriously. Your interpretation of Revelation 20 contradicts other scriptures like Matthew 25:31-46 and 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, as Jeff has pointed out to you. But, you're not interested in learning anything. You are the one picking and choosing which scripture to accept and which to reject. You make no effort to accept all of them and reconcile them together.

This is simply frustration talking. He's never been able to refute Amillennialism in any debate so far. This is all he has – noice!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If you would rather reject what is plainly stated in Matt 25 and 2 Thess 1 in favor for your own interpretation of the symbolic Rev 20 then that is up to you.

You are clearly causing a contradiction.


Grow up.
Amills explain how they interpret Rev 20 using other scripture like jn 5 and the ones put forth above.

You offer nothing regarding Matt 25 and 2Thess1.
All you can do is insult.

Absolutely true. He claims that the amil interpretation of passages like Matthew 25:31-46, 2 Thess 1:7-10 and John 5:28-29 are false, but then doesn't bother explaining how he thinks they should be interpreted. His arguments are basically just "I'm right and you're wrong". He does nothing to back up his claims.

 

[Davy]

What a bunch of DENIERS.

The mere existence of the "second death" for AFTER... Christ's future return, is ONLY for the unsaved wicked who perish.

The Amill doctrine, which is false, says that ALL the wicked are DESTROYED on the day of Christ's return!

They deserve to be deceived by men's false Amill theory, because they can't even figure out the above simple contradiction the Amill position has with that Bible Scripture about the "second death" for the wicked.

 

[jeffweeder]

The mere existence of the "second death" for AFTER... Christ's future return, is ONLY for the unsaved wicked who perish.

Yes. That would be all of them. I agree.

2Thess 1
6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him].

9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day.

The Amill doctrine, which is false, says that ALL the wicked are DESTROYED on the day of Christ's return!

I must of misunderstood you above.
What's the difference between all the unsaved wicked perish, and all the wicked are destroyed.... at Christs coming?

 

[TribulationSigns]

What a bunch of DENIERS.

Actually, you are a denier of the Truth.

The Amill doctrine, which is false, says that ALL the wicked are DESTROYED on the day of Christ's return!

Nope, the Amill doctrine is accurate.

 

[Davy]

Actually, you are a denier of the Truth.



Nope, the Amill doctrine is accurate.

NOPE. The Amill doctrine is from the Gnostics of the 2nd century A.D. That is when many of the false doctrines by the Gnostics began creeping into the early Christian Church.

All of the early Church fathers of the 1st century A.D. were Premill, including Christ's Apostles.

 

[TribulationSigns]

NOPE. The Amill doctrine is from the Gnostics of the 2nd century A.D. That is when many of the false doctrines by the Gnostics began creeping into the early Christian Church.

All of the early Church fathers of the 1st century A.D. were Premill, including Christ's Apostles.

Red herrings alert.

And the claim that premillennialism started in the first century is false.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What a bunch of DENIERS.

Says the guy who is too afraid to address any of the many arguments Amils have made that refute your false claims.

The mere existence of the "second death" for AFTER... Christ's future return, is ONLY for the unsaved wicked who perish.

Amils don't claim that the second death is for anyone but the unsaved, so what is your point here?

The Amill doctrine, which is false, says that ALL the wicked are DESTROYED on the day of Christ's return!

That is what scripture clearly teaches. All the living wicked are physically destroyed on the day He returns, which is taught in passages like Matthew 24:35-39, 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 and 2 Peter 3:10-12. All of the wicked are cast into everlasting fire (the lake of fire) at the judgment that occurs when Christ returns at the end of the age as can be seen in passages like Matthew 13:36-43, Matthew 13:47-50 and Matthew 25:31-46.

They deserve to be deceived by men's false Amill theory, because they can't even figure out the above simple contradiction the Amill position has with that Bible Scripture about the "second death" for the wicked.

What contradiction is that exactly? You keep making claims like this without explaining exactly what it is that you're talking about. Amils do not say that the second death is for anyone but the wicked. Are you saying that we do?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

NOPE. The Amill doctrine is from the Gnostics of the 2nd century A.D. That is when many of the false doctrines by the Gnostics began creeping into the early Christian Church.

All of the early Church fathers of the 1st century A.D. were Premill, including Christ's Apostles.

Stop your lies. You have no conscience. You just make up lies that you can't back up. Have you no shame? As I already told you before, Justin Martyr, an early church father who lived from 100 AD to 165 AD, said that there were many true Christians who did not agree with his belief in premillennialism. That means there were many amillennialists in the early church as well. And, it would be ridiculous to think that there were many amillennialists in the early 100s, but none before 100 AD? Total nonsense. Yet, that's what you believe because you believe a lot of nonsense. There's no excuse for that.

 

[Davy]

Stop your lies. You have no conscience. You just make up lies that you can't back up. Have you no shame? As I already told you before, Justin Martyr, an early church father who lived from 100 AD to 165 AD, said that there were many true Christians who did not agree with his belief in premillennialism. That means there were many amillennialists in the early church as well. And, it would be ridiculous to think that there were many amillennialists in the early 100s, but none before 100 AD? Total nonsense. Yet, that's what you believe because you believe a lot of nonsense. There's no excuse for that.

YOU are the LIAR, and it is so... easy to point it out.

The 2nd century began when?? AFTER 100 A.D.

You said Justin Martyr who lived from 100 A.D. to 165 A.D., WHICH MEANS 2ND CENTURY A.D., not 1st century.

Now then, go FIND a FIRST CENTURY CHURCH FATHER that admitted to believing man's false theory of Amillennialism, you DECEIVER.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

YOU are the LIAR, and it is so... easy to point it out.

The 2nd century began when?? AFTER 100 A.D.

You said Justin Martyr who lived from 100 A.D. to 165 A.D., WHICH MEANS 2ND CENTURY A.D., not 1st century.

Now then, go FIND a FIRST CENTURY CHURCH FATHER that admitted to believing man's false theory of Amillennialism, you DECEIVER.

You are completely delusional if you think he was saying that many true Christians disagreed with his Premillennial view only starting in the early 2nd century. You are as clueless as anyone could possibly be. Amillennialism is taught in scripture, so it's been taught from the beginning. So, all of the NT authors were 1st century church fathers who taught Amillennialism.

You are not able to refute Amillennialism with scripture, so you have to make up lies about it. Pathetic.

Tell me, Davy, who exactly are the ones that you believe will populate the earth during the supposed future thousand years? Why do I keep asking you this and you don't answer? Why are you trying to hide what you really believe? Is this question too difficult for you?

 

[Davy]

I have no idea of how you think that this debunks the amill theory

Then you don't really study your Bible for yourself, but heed what men says instead. So what's your excuse, can't you read English? I can understand that if English is not your primary language maybe.

One of the Amillennialist doctrines of men is that on the day when Jesus returns, all the wicked are destroyed, and we immediately then go into the future new heavens and a new time. That idea is NOWHERE WRITTEN in God's Word.

So the fact that you obviously do not understand what the "second death" of Revelation 20 is, and how as written it does NOT happen on the day of Christ's future return, then it means you either do not do Bible study for yourself, or you are simply following an agenda of man and trying to hide it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Then you don't really study your Bible for yourself, but heed what men says instead. So what's your excuse, can't you read English? I can understand that if English is not your primary language maybe.

One of the Amillennialist doctrines of men is that on the day when Jesus returns, all the wicked are destroyed, and we immediately then go into the future new heavens and a new time. That idea is NOWHERE WRITTEN in God's Word.

It's written right here. Is the following passage in your Bible? What is your excuse for not understanding what the following passage teaches?

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

You say the wicked are not all destroyed when Jesus returns? Try to tell that to Peter who taught otherwise. None of the wicked will survive the fire that will come down upon the entire earth when Jesus comes as a thief in the night. That's why Paul said "they shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3). None of them will. And Peter said, according to the promise of Christ's second coming, we "look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.". Why are you looking for something else besides the new heavens and new earth in fulfillment of the promise of Christ's second coming?

 

[TribulationSigns]

It's written right here. Is the following passage in your Bible? What is your excuse for not understanding what the following passage teaches?

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

You say the wicked are not all destroyed when Jesus returns? Try to tell that to Peter who taught otherwise. None of the wicked will survive the fire that will come down upon the entire earth when Jesus comes as a thief in the night. That's why Paul said "they shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3). None of them will. And Peter said, according to the promise of Christ's second coming, we "look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.". Why are you looking for something else besides the new heavens and new earth in fulfillment of the promise of Christ's second coming?

Amen!

 

[Marty fox]

It's written right here. Is the following passage in your Bible? What is your excuse for not understanding what the following passage teaches?

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

You say the wicked are not all destroyed when Jesus returns? Try to tell that to Peter who taught otherwise. None of the wicked will survive the fire that will come down upon the entire earth when Jesus comes as a thief in the night. That's why Paul said "they shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3). None of them will. And Peter said, according to the promise of Christ's second coming, we "look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.". Why are you looking for something else besides the new heavens and new earth in fulfillment of the promise of Christ's second coming?

Amen

Its really not worth answering this poster with the nastiness and accusations