The Sabbath is a carnal commandment
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Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong
We were already good at that, and we certainly didn't need anyone preaching it to us.
We will commit sins while we are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides.
This place is where the soles of our feet tread:
And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
That is where the unscriptural doctrine of a continual cleansing of "past, present and future" sins came from.
There is no forgiveness of sin from God without confession of sin from the heart (1 John 1). Confessing future sins is promising God to sin.
If I had heard this stuff as a sinner from some so-called 'preacher', I would have laughed in his face.
A donkey has more sense then some 'prophets' of Scripture.
Salvation comes with the things that accompany salvation, and without the things that accompany salvation, there is no salvation: repentance from dead works and faith toward God. (Heb 6:1)
After six days of creating, God ordained the seventh as the day of rest.
Happy rest day, happy rest day to you.
It's the best day, it's a blessed day all the way through.
It's a feast day made by Yahweh for me and you.
Happy rest day, happy rest day to you. :)
Happy rest day, happy rest day to you.
It's the best day, it's a blessed day all the way through.
It's a feast day made by Yahweh for me and you.
Happy rest day, happy rest day to you. :)
You err, not knowing the Scriptures, but rather your own vain imagination about them:
And Paul, being obedient, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures.
The statement alters Scripture. There is no Scripture of the apostles commanding a Sabbath, and Scripture must be twisted in order to produce some:
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures.
They practised a custom of an old culture of religion that was no longer God's, in order to preach to them: the Jews' Religion ceased to be the religion of the God of Israel, when they of that religion had Him killed, even as that people ceased to be His people.
They were not there to worship with them in reading Moses of old.
As in Athens, he was only there to preach to them Jesus Christ, even as he continued to do so in the market daily, to any that would hear. He went into the synagogue only because there would be a gathered people ready to read Moses, and he reasoned with them out of those Scriptures Jesus Christ.
Scripture purposely declares it now to be a manner of custom, not obedience to law, to go into a Synagogue on a Sabbath.
And it is a Synagogue that he always entered, when supposedly obeying the Sabbath: therefore the example includes entering Synagogue in such a 'commandment' of Sabbath.
They were also commanded to face the temple and city of Jerusalem, when praying apart from it (1 Kings 8), as did Daniel.
To not do likewise by obedience in a Sabbath, to enter into a Synagogue and pray toward Jerusalem, is just another proof that Sabbath keeping by law is a carnal show in the flesh, playing games with commandments of God. And those who do, do so by ignorance of the Scriptures as they are written
Self-righteousness is the product of going about to establish one's own commandment of righteousness, and not God's, because it is not sought by faith in the Scriptures only. (Rom 10:3)
Those that depart from Sola Scriptura enter into the ministry of Mystery Babylon.
There is nothing spiritual, holy, nor worshipping about keeping a carnal commandment in the new covenant of Jesus Christ.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
That day was made holy. Not the people obeying it. Even as the cattle were not made holy. Keeping a carnal Sabbath makes one no more holy, than wearing a ribbon of blue.
To be holy as God is holy can only be by His Holy Spirit dwelling inwardly in the heart.
Carnal commandments are carnal ordinances that require outward obedience in specific bodily manner, whether to be circumcised on the 8th day, or to not work on a Sabbath day, or to face Jerusalem when praying, or sacrificing bulls and goats.
No such carnal commandments are written in the law of Christ by His apostles, and are preached against as carnal-minded obedience to commandments of men:
Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
Sabbath keeping by commandment is a show in the flesh of pseudo-humility, that is worshipped by will of man, and not by will of God, who commands us to worship in spirit and in truth only. God is not at all satisfied with, nor honoured by, worship of the flesh.
The flesh profiteth nothing.
If someone wants to keep a 'Sabbath' voluntarily, then that is by voluntary example of Scripture from the old covenant. But when they presume to do so as by commandment of the risen God of Israel, they then make His death, buial, and resurrection just a new piece of cloth to place upon an old and vanishing garment.
And they then declare themselves the only truly righteous in the body of Christ, and like to show each other on their Sabbath, how pretty they are in their garment sown with a bright new piece of cloth.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
That day was made holy. Not the people obeying it. Even as the cattle were not made holy. Keeping a carnal Sabbath makes one no more holy, than wearing a ribbon of blue.
To be holy as God is holy can only be by His Holy Spirit dwelling inwardly in the heart.
Carnal commandments are carnal ordinances that require outward obedience in specific bodily manner, whether to be circumcised on the 8th day, or to not work on a Sabbath day, or to face Jerusalem when praying, or sacrificing bulls and goats.
No such carnal commandments are written in the law of Christ by His apostles, and are preached against as carnal-minded obedience to commandments of men:
Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
Sabbath keeping by commandment is a show in the flesh of pseudo-humility, that is worshipped by will of man, and not by will of God, who commands us to worship in spirit and in truth only. God is not at all satisfied with, nor honoured by, worship of the flesh.
The flesh profiteth nothing.
If someone wants to keep a 'Sabbath' voluntarily, then that is by voluntary example of Scripture from the old covenant. But when they presume to do so as by commandment of the risen God of Israel, they then make His death, buial, and resurrection just a new piece of cloth to place upon an old and vanishing garment.
And they then declare themselves the only truly righteous in the body of Christ, and like to show each other on their Sabbath, how pretty they are in their garment sown with a bright new piece of cloth.
read the bible will ya everyone who cared to be in a synagogue was there on the sabbath, even today. that's when Jesus would teach in the synagogues.
you are definitely disingenuous in your conversation.
CharismaticLady
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Hi Robert,
These are not "commandments of men." Like the majority of people in the world, when you hear the word "commandments" you automatically think of the Ten Commandments. So when SDAs see the word commandments written in scripture, usually by the apostle John, they believe the only way to abide in Jesus is to keep ALL of the Ten Commandments. Understand?
1 John 3:24
24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
Revelation 12:
17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
John 14:
15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.
They have no idea that the commandments of Jesus are written differently than the Ten Commandments.
Not only that but Paul always went into the synagogues on the Sabbath to preach to those gathered. So to an SDA, Paul is keeping the Sabbath.
A commandment of man is not from scripture. These are misinterpretations of scripture, but still based on scripture. The majority of denominations misinterpret scripture. The worst that I know of actually believe doctrines of demons, and unfortunately their doctrines have infiltrated most of the 30,000 denominations world-wide. But SDA is not one of them.
CharismaticLady
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CharismaticLady
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Then go into a synagogue and keep a sabbath, if you care. And be blessed in it.
But making a commandment by it, that the apostles never wrote for us, as you admit, is making your sabbath into a commandment of men, not of Jesus Christ.
And you have no response for my fair argument, so it stands.
You know much about keeping a sabbath for yourself, but you have no clue about teaching the law of Christ.
Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
They have no idea that the commandments of Jesus are written differently than the Ten Commandments. Not only that but Paul always went into the synagogues on the Sabbath to preach to those gathered. So to an SDA, Paul is keeping the Sabbath.
A very simple point missed by a few, who don't want to get it. There is only one reason people want to believe the 10 commandments are eternal and separate from the law: they want to keep a Sabbath. And it is a source of proud to point at others in self-righteousness.
A commandment of man is not from scripture. These are misinterpretations of scripture, but still based on scripture.
Not true. If a commandment is 'based' on scripture, then it is a commandment of the Lord.
The first commandment of men was made in the garden: Neither shalt thou touch it, which was based upon Scripture, and so believed to be Scripture, but was a false commandment wrested from scripture. And it led directly to breaking the commandment to not eat thereof.
The difference is scripture of an old covenant, having its law of commandments, and the scriptures of the new covenant, having its law of commandments.
The Scriptures of the old covenant written by Moses and the prophets are not the Scriptures of the new covenant written by the apostles.
Therefore, preaching commandments from the old covenant, as for the new, are based on the Scriptures of the old, but are not from the new.
One man's trash is another man's treasure. If one man throws something away, then it is no longer his, and if another man takes it up again, then it becomes his own: so with law and commandments and statutes and ordinances of the old, which have all been done away with by God and they are no longer His, and then they that would take them up again to keep as by law, are now their own, not the Lord's.
What were the commandments of the God of Israel, that are still preached as commandments of the risen God of Israel, are become the commandments of men.
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Jesus called the commandants of the Jews commandments of men. One of them was their commandments pertaining to the sabbath, that God never said, but the Jews commanded as God's. They were based on the Scriptures commanding the Sabbath, but were not the Sabbath God commanded.
Commandments of men pertaining to those taught for doctrine of God, are not the laws of men in nations, but specifically are commandments that men make up falsely out of scripture, that is not truly of Scripture.
They are commandments 'misinterpreted' from Scripture and then preached as Scripture.
Misinterpretations of Scripture can be personally applied in any believer's life. It is only when they go on to preach those misinterpretations of Scripture for doctrine for God, that they become commandments of men.
The mystery of iniquity in the ministry of christ, is not commandments and doctrines made out of the air, with no Scripture at all to support them, but rather are the subtle and pernicious commandments ministered by men in the name of Jesus, that are misinterpreted by wresting the scriptures.
Ex: If someone preaches as commandment to never sing unto the Lord without a tamborine, then no one will take them seriously, but when people preach Sabbath as commandment for Christians to keep, using all the bells and whistles of so-called Scriptural study and insight, then quite a few are carried away in the subtlety of the serpent.
In this manner they are beasts in God's ministry, preaching for doctrine of God their own favorite commandments. They are transforming themselves into false apostles, teaching commandments of God as the apostles of Christ. They come to our doorsteps as angels of light, and being falsely based on Scripture, they shine darkness indeed.
They are not helping the believers' joy in the Lord by preaching Scripture only, but are dominating their faith by preaching their own misinterpretations of Scripture:
Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your
for by faith ye stand. (2 Cor 1:24)
Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
Yes, the Lord of the Sabbath is greater than the Sabbath, even as the living water is greater than the well of Jacob.
Both that well and that Sabbath was made for man and cattle, and them that drink from it by obedience will thirst again and again and again and will never enter into that rest of the Lord of Sabaoth.
Does the risen Lord still keep a Sabbath by commandment?
Then neither does His body, which is His natural members on earth by faith of Jesus.
If our risen Lord does not keep it as commandment, then neither does we.
Name one commandment written by the apostles for Christians to keep, that the Lord does not keep this day.
While to day is, if we will hear His voice in the garden, we can enter into His rest of the garden.
We walk in His steps, which He walks in this day, in the natural bodies of His people.
We do not walk in the steps of Jesus the Jew under the law of Moses, neither are we clothed in his clothing of that day, but now we put on Christ and are clothed in Him, and His commandments which He keeps to day, are the commandments we ought likewise to keep.
The law of a carnal Sabbath commanded to day is that of men, for carnally-minded men to obey. The Spirit of the sabbath commanded to the carnal seed of old, is that God of rest, which the new seed of faith rest in from their own works, even as He did and does to day.
Yes, the Lord of the Sabbath is greater than the Sabbath, even as the living water is greater than the well of Jacob.
Both that well and that Sabbath was made for man and cattle, and them that drink from it by obedience will thirst again and again and again and will never enter into that rest of the Lord of Sabaoth.
Does the risen Lord still keep a Sabbath by commandment?
Then neither does His body, which is His natural members on earth by faith of Jesus.
If our risen Lord does not keep it as commandment, then neither does we.
Name one commandment written by the apostles for Christians to keep, that the Lord does not keep this day.
While to day is, if we will hear His voice in the garden, we can enter into His rest of the garden.
We walk in His steps, which He walks in this day, in the natural bodies of His people.
We do not walk in the steps of Jesus the Jew under the law of Moses, neither are we clothed in his clothing of that day, but now we put on Christ and are clothed in Him, and His commandments which He keeps to day, are the commandments we ought likewise to keep.
The law of a carnal Sabbath commanded to day is that of men, for carnally-minded men to obey. The Spirit of the sabbath commanded to the carnal seed of old, is that God of rest, which the new seed of faith rest in from their own works, even as He did and does to day.
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