The Sabbath Day

[BarneyFife]

This is how simple the matter it.

It's not simple--it's Babylonian confusion.

The very fact that a new term -- the Lord's Day -- is found in the Bible should make everyone strive to understand its significance.

Give me a break, already. The Lord's day is mentioned once, and not in connection with the first day of the week whatsoever. The church is passing you up, Enoch. No one is convicted of Sunday sacredness anymore except Rome, but we know it will definitely be making a big comeback very soon, when God draws away His protective hand and permits the winds of strife to bring forth the time of trouble and the world looks to Rome to advise on how to appease the god they believe is behind the laying waste to the earth and slaying multitudes with the upheaval.

 

[Bob Estey]

Here's what you can do. Assign six days to labor. For each day assign 8 hours to hard work, 8 hours to sleep, and 8 hours for all other activities including leisure. Now you may choose to sleep only 4 hours and work 12 hours, but that is entirely up to you. Then the 7th day (whether Saturday or Sunday) means absolutely no work.

When we reach retirement age, can we work less?

 

[BarneyFife]

Wrong again! It was given to the Jews and all the proselytes to Judaism.

Good thing God intended the whole earth to be proselytes, huh?

But once again as you wish to obey the law.

Do you abstain from Pork, shellfish, scaleless fish, meat from split hooved animals?
Do yo0 not wear mixed fabrics?
Do you observe all seven feasts God commanded all to observe?

The odd paradigm shift to equating the obsolete ceremonial, Levitical rites of law with the Decalogue is the strangest thing I have ever witnessed in human behavior. It is why we have the rack and ruin we have in society today. The church is the forerunner of morality and it has capitulated to the sensuality and materialism of the world. In doing so the church has rendered itself more guilty than the unknowing world (Matthew 12:43-45). Many are offended by this kind of reproof, but I say, I submit it nonetheless for the consideration of all who will hear the voice of one crying in the wilderness: Prepare ye the way of the LORD; make His ways straight!

Hebrews 9
9Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.​

As to those on whom the shoe does not fit: Give God the Glory!

 

[GEN2REV]

Wrong again! It was given to the Jews and all the proselytes to Judaism.

You're ignoring the verse that was presented. That's your usual M.O.
Deuteronomy 29:14-15

without a mention of the Sabbath in the Exodus passage you say it was there before the Sinai writing.

You're ignoring the verse that was presented. That's your M.O.

Exodus 16:4-5
Exodus 16:22-23

what Chutzpah!

Oh, now you're Jewish? Your true identity and purpose for being here is coming to the Light. The Truth always comes out.

Do you abstain from Pork, shellfish, scaleless fish, meat from split hooved animals?
Do yo0 not wear mixed fabrics?
Do you observe all seven feasts God commanded all to observe?

Those aren't part of the 10 Commandments.

Those aren't part of the Ministration of Righteousness.

Those aren't valid since Christ's Crucifixion.

Those are of the Law of Ordinances; repealed at the time of the reformation - when Jesus came - per Hebrews 9:10.

 

[GEN2REV]

@Qoheleth

On a sidenote, don't you love how the ASV takes the super out of the supernatural. Anything to make it all just seem like normal nature.

Exodus 16:22

"They gathered bread ... not supernatural manna from heaven!"



So comical.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

We all need a day of rest each week. I don't know why anyone would complain about that.

I actually need to sleep every night!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

@Qoheleth
And on that note, Good Night!

 

[BarneyFife]

Guten Nacht :)

 

[Brakelite]

Oh boy, that one observation could open up a cavern of dark and creepy things about Bible translations and versions.

 

[Brakelite]

Jesus violated the Sabbath,

So Jesus is a sinner now?

Paul in writing to the Corinthians acknowledged the early church met on Sunday>

that there be no gatherings when I come.

?????

 

[Bob Estey]

I actually need to sleep every night!

That would be unnecessary if you slept during the day.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

That would be unnecessary if you slept during the day.

You only need one day of rest. I need a lot more than that.

 

[Brakelite]

Lord's Day has replaced the 7th day Sabbath

KJV 1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law

KJV James 2:9
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

The above are two new testament definitions of sin. Both inform me that I should not listen to your excuses or reasons for desecrating the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. My quote of you above is your own opinion, not to be found in scripture. While not unusual among those who hate God's laws, it suggests I should have respect to your opinion above what scripture reveals. Why are you, and others of similar mindset, so much at enmity against God's Sabbath,?
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[Brakelite]

@Qoheleth

On a sidenote, don't you love how the ASV takes the super out of the supernatural. Anything to make it all just seem like normal nature.

Exodus 16:22

"They gathered bread ... not supernatural manna from heaven!"



So comical.

The KJV also has bread...lechem, not man (manna)

 

[Brakelite]

You only need one day of rest. I need a lot more than that.

It isn't just about you though. The commandment, in order to maintain the holiness of the day, (which is today, and in this church age, still a holy day regardless of whether you are Jew or Japanese, which truth everyone wants to deny) stipulates that not only you rest, but that you also extend that rest to others. That is how one keeps the 4th commandment. It isn't complicated... It isn't a burden... It's a blessing to yourself and everyone around you. It absolutely baffles me that Christians should be so resistant to the idea.

 

[Enoch111]

When we reach retirement age, can we work less?

No. Just change the focus of what we work on. Work on what has eternal value. We do not hear of any saints in the Bible "retiring".

 

[Robert Gwin]

Jesus came to fulfill the law. How? By doing it for us as so many unfortunately have been led to believe? OR>>>> by inviting us INTO that fulfillment by abiding in Him?

Being under grace means we are fulfilling the righteous requirement of the law. When we walk as Jesus walked...are we not resting from our own works? ...our own thoughts? ...our own words? This is the purpose of the Sabbath. To rescue us from the pull of this world and from the sin and death that we are destined to inherit if we trust in ourselves to make it through in one piece. No one survives this temporal world. This world dimension is designed as a simulation of eternal reality. As such, we can fail without being eternally condemned. We are given many chances to hear the truth and enter into God's grace provision by faith. That is..until our time is up.

The mind of Christ takes care of the WHOLE law. Everything is now pointing to Christ. Those who take the law at face value are still under the law. Walking in resurrection life puts us above the law as there is no sin in Christ. When we are walking in the light of God's presence there is no law against it...only grace.

Actually Epis, an innumerable number will survive what you call this temporal world Rev 7:9,14. The righteous will inherit the earth and reside forever upon it, only the wicked will be removed. Ps 37:9-11, 29 If you choose not to do the will of Jehovah, showing your love for Him by obeying His commandments, you will not be among them if you survive to the time of the return of Christ. Mat 7:21; 1 Jn 5:3; 2 Thes 1:6-9 I hope you will consider this information sir.

 

[Episkopos]

Actually Epis, an innumerable number will survive what you call this temporal world Rev 7:9,14. The righteous will inherit the earth and reside forever upon it, only the wicked will be removed. Ps 37:9-11, 29 If you choose not to do the will of Jehovah, showing your love for Him by obeying His commandments, you will not be among them if you survive to the time of the return of Christ. Mat 7:21; 1 Jn 5:3; 2 Thes 1:6-9 I hope you will consider this information sir.

I have maintained that the righteous will fill the nations of them who are saved. AND the saints will rule over them from the holy city.
The issue is not only what makes a saint...but also what makes one righteous before God.

To be righteous means one is humble and fears the Lord. NO doctrinal understanding is required at this level since righteous is as righteous DOES. We will all be judged according to our own righteousness (Works)...or what we have done with what we have been given.

Now usually people get into a snit when they hear this very biblical approach. Why? They have been taught that only THEY are righteous because of certain beliefs about God and such.

The saint is one that walks in resurrection life and power. The saint is learning to BE as Christ in this world by abiding in Him and allowing His character to be formed to the full stature of Christ.

Getting these mixed up and transgressing these standards will disqualify many on that day from being either a saint OR righteous.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Since the old covenant has been made obsolete by the new covenant, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. God has made obsolete the old covenant to put into place the new covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13) The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ." (Galatians 6:2) Love fulfills the law. (Romans 13:8-10) Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7; 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

I really thank you for this post Dan, you made it easy for me to make notes where those laws were carried over to Christians, thanks much sir.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit to be our guide, not the written law. If you put yourself back under the written law you are denying Christ.

The written law came through the holy spirit sir, and is complete. Understanding is revealed through holy spirit still today, but only through the faithful slave which was assigned by Jesus during his absence during the last days to feed his sheep. I believe the slave exists today as we are deep into the last days. The inspired Bible is the written code we are to obey, and not subject to interpretation from all those who claim to be guided by holy spirit, yet are not even Christians.