The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.

[Wynona]

You DO have a Talent! The ability to display THIS much Biblical Ignorance and Confusion and only use 12 paragraphs to do it is “ Surely” a Gift from God...... what else ya got there, Groucho? How much saliva did you use while you were Spitting on the Grace Of God ? And you think that you can TEACH people about the Bible......Both You and your Lickspittle Buddy, “The Lucky Repenter ” are Clueless about the Bible —- “ Father , forgive them for they know Not what they do”......that prayer has Never been more appropriate.....

God bless you, brother. I know you believe that this is okay but you are decieved.

Insult me all day if you wish. But I don't wish you any harm. I hope God showers you with material and spiritual blessings and one day we can laugh about it all together.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

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Nothing in Scripture teaches one men must agree with another mans Scriptural interpretation.

Interpretation has nothing to do with the matter.

The scriptures are present and plain.

God is only looking on those who are fearing and OBEYING them!

“…to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.” (Isaiah 66:2)

Now man arguing with man over things left a mystery in the scriptures, that is vanity.

 

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Your deleted quote i posted, are the "presented facts".
Did you want to go back and post the QUOTESi posted, that you wrote?

Is that a no?
Ok, i'll post your quote


TAKEN wrote...

""""So we have to have obedience unto righteousness. """"​

Not sufficient for you to speak for me.
Quote me, identify the thread and post number.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

A man who IS born again, IS born again. The man IS Saved period.
It is ONE man having an Established Forever Relationship with the Lord God Almighty.

* Behaviors between and among men, neither SAVE a man or jeopardizes a SAVED mans position.
* A man blurting out a reactionary cuss word Does not jeopardize a SAVED mans position.
* A SAVED man IS Saved, nothing whatsoever can jeopardize a SAVED mans position.
* It is the “UNSAVED”, (without the indwelling Spirit of God, who ARE still vulnerable to EVIL spirits) and (without the Armor of God, who ARE still vulnerable to WICKED men). They live in HOPE, they can continue Believing to the day they physically die, TO THEN be Saved.
THEY are repeatedly WARNED, “they ARE targets” of Evil Spirits and Wicked men, and CAN FALL AWAY.
* Seriously...LOOK ABOUT at what “sitting World governance, kings, presidents, etc.” PROPOSE, and the number of people at large who BLINDLY follow their every DICTATION...as their MASTER! People at large World Wide, “cowering” in fear of the “threats” of “world kings, presidents, etc.”
AND THE FEW, who refuse to “cower down”... And the “24-7 silencing and badmouthing AGAINST the FEW”...
* Interesting...as World governments DIVIDE the people; Ha, they DO the Will of God as well, openly showing their Standing Against God.

Caution;
When you repeat “something” you DO NOT BELIEVE, on an open forum, remember people you do not know are reading, skimming, and landing on what you do NOT believe as your belief...and thus confusion.

So, What is your standing on OSAS? Yea or Nay?

Lol......are you “ NEW” hear? what button in here do you press to make giant letters?

 

[Taken]

Lol......are you “ NEW” hear? what button in here do you press to make giant letters?

Your comment is devoid of an answer to the question of your standing on OSAS. Yea or Nay?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

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Still going strong insulting your way into people's hearts with the Gospel, BB53? ;)


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I have absolutely NO REGRETS to STRONGLY ADMONISH any Gospel Perverters That SPIT on The Blood Of Christ! Practically every line she wrote was a personal insult to me and anybody else that has Proper, Biblical Doctrine.....You think that I’m just gonna Stand and Take it because it had a kind of “ Sweetness” to it.....The thinking behind it is straight from Hell.....There is such a thing as “ Righteous Anger” and that is what you are witnessing—- you and her can expect more when you MOCK the Grace That was purchased by the Shed Blood Of My Savior.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Your comment is devoid of an answer to the question of your standing on OSAS. Yea or Nay?

YEA! As LOUD as I can SHOUT IT! I just feel compelled to follow the Originator and Chief Proponent for “ OSAS” —— Jesus Christ!

“ Those That Believe In Me and the One that sent me, ALREADY HAVE Eternal Life and shall NEVER come under Condemnation”

Certain people with limited intelligence don’t understand what “ NEVER “ means, apparently....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

one day we can laugh about it all together.



If you continue to Reject the Grace That “ could” Save you, we won’t be “ together ” and you will be in way too much Torment to laugh...
You are as Blind as I gets...May God open your Eyes to the Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing...

 

[BloodBought 1953]

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Interpretation has nothing to do with the matter.

The scriptures are present and plain.

God is only looking on those who are fearing and OBEYING them!

“…to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.” (Isaiah 66:2)

Now man arguing with man over things left a mystery in the scriptures, that is vanity.

You ever hear of the “ Obedience Of The Gospel ?” THAT is the “ Obedience” That should concern you.....if you are not RESTING in the Gospel Of Grace , God says in Hebrews that you are Guilty Of “ DISOBEDIENCE and UNBELIEF!”.....all of you “ good widdle boy” stuff is useless if you aren’t Resting in the Gospel....

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You ever hear of the “ Obedience Of The Gospel ?” THAT is the “ Obedience” That should concern you.....if you are not RESTING in the Gospel Of Grace , God says in Hebrews that you are Guilty Of “ DISOBEDIENCE and UNBELIEF!”.....all of you “ good widdle boy” stuff is useless if you aren’t Resting in the Gospel....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

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Still going strong insulting your way into people's hearts with the Gospel, BB53? ;)


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You can * COUNT* on it.....I get a “ Righteous Anger” whenever I see Blind Guides and Gospel Perverters and Spreaders Of Leaven Raise their ugly heads....Such Hell- Inspired Doctrines destroyed many of Pauls early Churches.....I am not going to passively Stand by and see these False and Accursed “ Teachers” destroy this place.....
“ A little Leaven leavens the whole batch” ......I am God's “ Pit- Bull” in the fight against Leaven—- get used to it.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

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Brilliant , Bible -Inspired counter argument, Flippo....

 

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The person who thinks they can sin and still be saved on some level has no real motivation to stop their sins in this life.


At last your phony mask is off......you have revealed your Fatal Flaw.......You don't understand Christianity and you never have....
The “ REAL MOTIVATION” to Stop Sinning is your LOVE FOR GOD! God gave His Son for us and His Son Shed His Blood for us —- God did NOT have to do ANY of this and we sure did not Deserve it....if you are not “ MOTIVATED “ by these Truths, Go and Find yourself another “ Religion”.....You have quite obviously and quite simply “missed the boat” when it comes to Christianity.....it’s ALL about Love....and YOU don’t get it.....

It may have taken 50 barrels of extremely windy and wasted Computer Ink, but give some people enough rope and they will hang themselves....The old saying is True....”The TRUTH will out!” Thanks for finally showing your True Self...

It is written:

“If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.” (John 15:10).

“If anyone does not love the Lord, let him be under a curse. Come, O Lord!” (1 Corinthians 16:22) (Berean Study Bible).

Luke 10:25-28
25 “And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.”

“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).

“Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.” (1 John 3:15).

Revelation 22:14-15
14 “Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.”

 

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You asked me a question and I answered you. There is a lot to that passage. What would you like to know?

Much love!

Most Protestants or Belief Alone Salvationists I have talked with over the years use 1 John 1:8 as a banner flag they wave high in the air to say that they are not perfect and that they will always sin on some level (Although it does not mean they will be a practicing axe murderer, a street prostitute, a professional thief, etcetera). Basically they say that they will always sin on some level and they cannot help it because of 1 John 1:8. They may admit that they will not do gross sins all the time, but they say they will sin or stumble again this side of Heaven always until the day they die. Your attitude before against how the believer sleeping around on his wife was saved suggests that you hold to the sin and still be saved interpretation on 1 John 1:8 that most of the wide path candy land Christianity holds to. You don’t believe 1 John 2:3, and 1 John 2:4. You see that as pitting Scripture against Scripture. But you tend to favor a wrong understanding on 1 John 1:8 at the expense of not believing 1 John 2:3-4. By what you said so far: It appears like you hold to the sin and still be saved interpretation in 1 John 1:8 over obeying God’s commands so as to know Him (1 John 2:3). By what you said so far, it appears like you prefer the sin and still be saved interpretation on 1 John 1:8 over a person saying that they know the Lord and yet they do not keep His commandments and thus they are a liar and the truth is not in them in 1 John 2:4. If I am wrong, then tell me what you think 1 John 1:8 says.

For I was asking you how you take 1 John 1:8 as a declaration that believers will always sin this side of Heaven on some level. By what you said so far, I take it that is close to your interpretation. But I am asking just to be sure (Just in case you have some other understanding on what that verse says). In other words, if you do hold to the sin and still be saved interpretation on 1 John 1:8, it would explain why you have not given a basic explanation on what it says so far. Why? Because it’s embarrassing and sad.

The problem is that Belief Alone Salvationists never tell me what type of sins falls under this category and how often one does them that would fall under the safe sin and still be saved guidelines of 1 John 1:8.

Can they lie? Can they indulge in looking at women in lust? Can they use swear words? If so… how often? Is 2 times a day too much? Where is the line drawn whereby they would be practicing that sin whereby they would fall under the condemnation of Galatians 5:19-21, etcetera?

 

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Think about this statement a moment. If you as a Christian sin, when does condemnation and spiritual death come? Immediately? Later? What is your thinking on this?

Edit to add . . . reading more of your posts, I'm thinking you think it happens immediately, is that right? You lie, or you flash with outrage wrongfully against someone and it's immediate spiritual death, until you repent and confess. Do I understand you correctly?

And that goes towards the "lucky repentance" idea I hear, that hopefully you will repent and confess and be re-saved after that last sin before you die. Hopefully you will have time, and self-awareness.

Much love!

I did not write the Bible, and so anything that I have learned it is from the Bible.
The Bible teaches that when Adam sinned, his eyes were opened to his nakedness.

This means Adam died spiritually when he disobeyed God’s one command.

When Ananias and Sapphira lied to the Spirit they died. There was no Once Saved Always Saved that saved them. They committed an exceptionally grievous sin towards GOD and they were punished with hell because a great fear came upon the church when they heard this. Now, if you are a detective. You examine motivations. Fear only makes sense if they knew that the same fate could happen to them. For if Ananias and Sapphira were never saved, then the church would not be in fear because these were just pretend believers getting what they deserved. If Ananias and Sapphira were being taken home early to Heaven on account of their really bad sin, then this be a reward for sinning really bad (Which is just beyond wrong). Yet, Protestants have told me that born again believers who commit suicide are saved. So they are rewarded with Heaven early for doing something sinful and wrong. Anyways, getting back to Ananias and Sapphira. If they were being rewarded with Heaven early for their doing an exceptionally wrong sin, then the brethren would be either sad (in that they will miss them), or they would rejoice in that they are in the arms of Jesus. But fear? Doesn’t make sense with the Belief Alone or Sin and Still Be Saved type belief. But of course I am sure many of you will just say fear is like reverence or something silly (Thereby undoing what God’s Word plainly says).

I mean stop and think a moment. Take a step out of yourself. Think about this from an outside perspective. What if your wrong? What if everything you have been taught was a lie? What if Protestants have been lying to you all this time?
Is justifying the popular Protestant sin and still be saved type belief really worth it?
Is pleasure of sin for a season really worth it?

I can only encourage you to get away from Protestants and just get in your Bible alone with God without them talking in your ears. Just start believing the Bible plainly in what it says and see where that takes you.

I mean, what do you do with pieces of Scripture like Mathew 5:28-30, and Matthew 6:15? Do you just ignore them? Do you write them off as not applying to believers today? If so, why would Jesus give us new teachings like at the sermon on the Mount just so that they would be undone by new teachings by His followers? It does not make a whole lot of sense. Granted, I am not against the idea of change. I do see water baptism as having been phased out, but we are not talking about a ritual here, but we are talking about moral laws with God giving strong warnings on how breaking these moral laws can lead to the destruction of our soul. Even the apostle Paul warns us to be not deceived in that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God (and then he lists various sins). Do you just skip past these verses really fast when you read the Bible?

 

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And you are displaying patience that is remarkable. It is inspiring.

I agree that we should pray for people in love, always.

It looks like I now have the opportunity to have forbearance.

Glory be unto the Lord Jesus for any good done in my life.

 

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I mean stop and think a moment. Take a step out of yourself. Think about this from an outside perspective. What if your wrong? What if everything you have been taught was a lie? What if Protestants have been lying to you all this time?
Is justifying the popular Protestant sin and still be saved type belief really worth it?
Is pleasure of sin for a season really worth it?

I know what I know from reading the Bible, the same as you, only, the difference between us as I see it is that there are certain passages that you seem to think have hidden loopholes or somehow don't mean the things they say.

I realize you will say the same of me, however, the passages you will say that of me concerning will be along the lines of, "Adulterers will not inherit the kingdom of heaven", which does not make an actual statement about the nature of justification and regeneration, while the ones I'll say that of you make very specific statements that don't seem to fit your POV, like this one in Hebrews.

"Don't count on it" is your final answer, as if I should doubt what you yourself recognize what it says. But you are really saying, "don't count on God to do what is needed to make sure you arrive where He wants you to go", and instead want me to rely on my self effort motivated by fear to do what God can't/won't Himself do, though here again, there are a number of passages where He declares He will in fact successfully accomplish His work in us.

Your salvation is on again off again with every sin you commit, my salvation is certain in God's keeping power as He continues to renew my mind in making my life Godly. Your trust must of necessity be in yourself, my trust is in Jesus, and specifically not in myself.

Much love!

 

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Most Protestants or Belief Alone Salvationists I have talked with over the years use 1 John 1:8 as a banner flag they wave high in the air to say that they are not perfect and that they will always sin on some level (Although it does not mean they will be a practicing axe murderer, a street prostitute, a professional thief, etcetera). Basically they say that they will always sin on some level and they cannot help it because of 1 John 1:8. They may admit that they will not do gross sins all the time, but they say they will sin or stumble again this side of Heaven always until the day they die. Your attitude before against how the believer sleeping around on his wife was saved suggests that you hold to the sin and still be saved interpretation on 1 John 1:8 that most of the wide path candy land Christianity holds to. You don’t believe 1 John 2:3, and 1 John 2:4. You see that as pitting Scripture against Scripture. But you tend to favor a wrong understanding on 1 John 1:8 at the expense of not believing 1 John 2:3-4. By what you said so far: It appears like you hold to the sin and still be saved interpretation in 1 John 1:8 over obeying God’s commands so as to know Him (1 John 2:3). By what you said so far, it appears like you prefer the sin and still be saved interpretation on 1 John 1:8 over a person saying that they know the Lord and yet they do not keep His commandments and thus they are a liar and the truth is not in them in 1 John 2:4. If I am wrong, then tell me what you think 1 John 1:8 says.

For I was asking you how you take 1 John 1:8 as a declaration that believers will always sin this side of Heaven on some level. By what you said so far, I take it that is close to your interpretation. But I am asking just to be sure (Just in case you have some other understanding on what that verse says). In other words, if you do hold to the sin and still be saved interpretation on 1 John 1:8, it would explain why you have not given a basic explanation on what it says so far. Why? Because it’s embarrassing and sad.

The problem is that Belief Alone Salvationists never tell me what type of sins falls under this category and how often one does them that would fall under the safe sin and still be saved guidelines of 1 John 1:8.

Can they lie? Can they indulge in looking at women in lust? Can they use swear words? If so… how often? Is 2 times a day too much? Where is the line drawn whereby they would be practicing that sin whereby they would fall under the condemnation of Galatians 5:19-21, etcetera?

Do you think my relationship with the Lord God has anything to do with you?

 

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I mean, what do you do with pieces of Scripture like Mathew 5:28-30, and Matthew 6:15? Do you just ignore them? Do you write them off as not applying to believers today?

And what do you think to yourself when I respond with,

Ephesians 4:31-32 KJV
31) Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32) And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

and,

Colossians 3:12-13 KJV
12) Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13) Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

In Matthew Jesus preached to the Jews, Forgive others, or your Father in heaven will not forgive you.

In Paul's letters, God, through His Apostle to the gentiles, taught that we are to forgive because we have been forgiven.

In Matthew, Forgive, or you will not be forgiven. Receiving forgiveness depends on you first forgiving others.

In Ephesians and Colossians, Forgive, because you have been forgiven. We've already received forgiveness, and so we are to forgive others.

When you look at these together like this, it at first appears to be a conflict. What is the correct resolution? How can you interpret these passages while still believing every word written?

Much love!

 

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But of course I am sure many of you will just say fear is like reverence or something sill

There are primarily two kinds of fear we experience, generally with certain amounts of each at the same time, but that's not entirely appropriate in every case.

We can feel visceral fear, an immediate or dire threat that causes a spike in blood pressure, and hormones are released, the chest tighten, senses sharpen, the feeling of fear in our bodys and minds.

And we can have cognitive fear, the avoidance of known or percieved negative consequences of choices or potential choices. I think we feel more of the visceral fear of God until we learn about His love for us, and become more mature in that love. But I don't think that as Christians we lose that sense of what can happen if we don't follow the Spirit's leading in our lives, and I think that sense develops even greater.

You extend that consequence to include our very salvation, our reconciliation to God, which is in Christ. We are reconciled to God by obedience, but not our own, Christ's obedience on the cross. We receive that reconciliation by faith, in Christ. We receive birth from God and are His sons.

Much love!