The Mysteries that Paul taught:

[H. Richard]

Deut 29:29 NKJV
29 "The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Question: In verse 29 above does God keep things to Himself and reveal them to us when He wants to?

Mark 4:10-12 NKJV
10 But when He was alone, those around Him with the twelve asked Him about the parable.
11 And He said to them, "To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables,
12 so that 'Seeing they may see and not perceive, And hearing they may hear and not understand; Lest they should turn, And their sins be forgiven them.'"

Question: Is verse 12 above the condition of churches today?

Rom 16:25 NKJV
25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the MYSTERY kept secret since the world began

Mystery = secret = hidden: Question: Is the Mystery being taught in the churches today?

1 Cor 2:6-7 NKJV
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,

Eph 1:7-10 NKJV
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace
8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence,
9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself,
10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth — in Him.

Eph 3:1-4 NKJV
1 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles —
2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,
3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already,
4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ),

Eph 3:8-9 NKJV
8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;

Eph 6:19 NKJV
19 and for me, that utterance may be given to me, that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel,

Are religious teachers today preaching the mystery that was given to Paul for us?

Col 1:26-27 NKJV
26 the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, BUT NOW has been revealed to His saints.
27 To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Col 4:3 NKJV
3 meanwhile praying also for us, that God would open to us a door for the word, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in chains,

Note: Paul was persecuted by the religious because he taught the mystery that had been hidden in God. Today a person will also be persecuted if he/she teaches it. However a person must understand that once the mystery has been understood, they will also be in chains to preach the mystery.

1 Tim 3:8-9 NKJV
8 Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money,
9 holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience.

Note: The theology of the churches today simplify the Mystery to only be that God now includes the Gentiles. However, that is not the case. The true mystery is that God paid for, not only our sins, but the sins of the whole world by shedding His blood on a cross. I repeat, every sin that mankind has, is, or will commit has been paid for. No one, today, is condemned because of their sins of the flesh. -- The only sin that condemns is the sin of unbelief. If a person does not know in their heart that their sins are paid for by God then they are not saved because of their unbelief in the work of God on the cross.

By the above you can truly see the power of God and how He defeated Satan at the cross. Satan can not get to us because our sins of the flesh can not condemn us any longer. They are all paid for. I repeat, the only sin that condemns today is the sin of unbelief.

 

[101G]

Deut 29:29 NKJV
29 "The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Question: In verse 29 above does God keep things to Himself and reveal them to us when He wants to?

Mark 4:10-12 NKJV
10 But when He was alone, those around Him with the twelve asked Him about the parable.
11 And He said to them, "To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables,
12 so that 'Seeing they may see and not perceive, And hearing they may hear and not understand; Lest they should turn, And their sins be forgiven them.'"

Question: Is verse 12 above the condition of churches today?

yes, and no, Ephesians 4:11 "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Ephesians 4:12 "For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Ephesians 4:13 "Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Ephesians 4:14 "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Ephesians 4:15 "But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Why? Isaiah 29:9 "Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.
Isaiah 29:10 "For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
Isaiah 29:11 "And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
Isaiah 29:12 "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
Isaiah 29:13 "Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
Isaiah 29:14 "Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid".

Rom 16:25 NKJV
25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the MYSTERY kept secret since the world began

Mystery = secret = hidden: Question: Is the Mystery being taught in the churches today?

in some. Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Isaiah 28:11 "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

Matthew 15:9 "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men".

Are religious teachers today preaching the mystery that was given to Paul for us?

Some are, John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1 Corinthians 2:12 "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1 Corinthians 2:13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Corinthians 2:15 "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Note: Paul was persecuted by the religious because he taught the mystery that had been hidden in God. Today a person will also be persecuted if he/she teaches it. However a person must understand that once the mystery has been understood, they will also be in chains to preach the mystery.

TRUE, but, Philippians 1:14 "And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.
Philippians 1:15 "Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
Philippians 1:16 "The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
Philippians 1:17 "But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
Philippians 1:18 "What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
Philippians 1:19 "For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,

the obligation, Romans 1:13 "Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.
Romans 1:14 "I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.
Romans 1:15 "So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

1 Corinthians 12:1 "Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
1 Corinthians 12:2 "Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
1 Corinthians 12:3 "Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

1 Thessalonians 4:13 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope".

Note: The theology of the churches today simplify the Mystery to only be that God now includes the Gentiles. However, that is not the case. The true mystery is that God paid for, not only our sins, but the sins of the whole world by shedding His blood on a cross. I repeat, every sin that mankind has, is, or will commit has been paid for. No one, today, is condemned because of their sins of the flesh. -- The only sin that condemns is the sin of unbelief. If a person does not know in their heart that their sins are paid for by God then they are not saved because of their unbelief in the work of God on the cross.

1 Timothy 1:15 "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

PICJAG.

 

[justbyfaith]

No one, today, is condemned because of their sins of the flesh.

Rom 8:12, Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13, For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

If you live after the flesh you will die. Now I know that you would have to interpret this as physical death for it not to be talking of spiritual death. However the verse does not identify it as physical death; so you must consider the distinct possibility that if we live according to the flesh we will die spiritually (i.e. condemnation) at some point

Jas 1:14, But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15, Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Jas 1:16, Do not err, my beloved brethren.

Here we find that it is not necessarily an immediate thing that a person dies spiritually when they commit an act of the flesh. Sin must be fully grown; and finished in a person's life. Note the exhortation James gives to us that we not err concerning this doctrine. It is clear to me that this is speaking of spiritual life and death.

Rom 6:22, But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23, For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Here, when it says that the wages of sin is death, the common interpretation is that it means separation from the Lord (spiritual death). If we say that this is not the case concerning other passages, then we are not being consistent in our hermeneutical study.

Notice also that the end is everlasting life, when we are made free from sin. This ought to tell you that behaviour matters.

 

[Episkopos]

Note: Paul was persecuted by the religious because he taught the mystery that had been hidden in God. Today a person will also be persecuted if he/she teaches it. However a person must understand that once the mystery has been understood, they will also be in chains to preach the mystery.

While this is true it isn't what you think it is. The mystery is the power of the cross that makes us be dead to sin...and walk as Jesus walked. It is the power of His grace on these mortal bodies.

You would have us go from....being dead in sin...to being alive in sin? Or...a born again sinner? Which makes a mockery of the real gospel which is by the power of God.

We are made actually holy and blameless by the operation of God. The doctrine is about power.

Your idea is a notion or premise that sin is no longer seen as sin. You are teaching transgression...not grace

But this is what Paul and John have to say about that error...

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Gal. 2:17 “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! 18 For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

I repeat, every sin that mankind has, is, or will commit has been paid for. No one, today, is condemned because of their sins of the flesh. -- The only sin that condemns is the sin of unbelief. If a person does not know in their heart that their sins are paid for by God then they are not saved because of their unbelief in the work of God on the cross.

You are making all this about God looking the other way for sins...and not what God can do through us to overcome sin. The whole point of our redemption is to walk IN Jesus where there is no sin. Not to sin because they are already paid for. That is the opposite of God's work.

Jesus didn't pay for us to sin. Or pay for us to remain in bondage to sin. He came to set us free from sin. This life is not a sin merry-go-round as you are making it out to be.

1 John 5:18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

By the above you can truly see the power of God and how He defeated Satan at the cross. Satan can not get to us because our sins of the flesh can not condemn us any longer. They are all paid for. I repeat, the only sin that condemns today is the sin of unbelief.

Your teaching is as false as can be. (there is a seductive quality to it to be sure) Jesus overcame the devil and we also do the same by abiding in Christ. In HIM is NO sin.

So you are preaching a sinful Jesus...so that even when we are in Him...we still sin.

So then that isn't the real Jesus. The sinful Jesus is bogus.

You would turn the bible inside out so that "to whom much is given (grace) LESS is required"???...but the truth is that the Holy Spirit makes us MORE responsible for every sin!!!

...why? Because in Christ we have been given the same power to overcome as He has. As He is so are we in this world.

 

[Episkopos]

The false gospel about sin no longer counting, stems from an ancient heresy...that of Gnosticism...whereby what you do with your body doesn't count...it's your beliefs and knowledge that saves you. It divorces actions in the body from religious beliefs...the latter cancelling out the former.

As in...God no longer cares if you sin...it's all about beliefs....as the OP plainly states.

It is putting faith in a god that has no power over the flesh. Whereas Jesus walked in perfection and proved He had all power over the flesh.

But Jesus overcame this world. And IN Him we partake of His life, His power, His grace.

The real gospel is freedom from bondage...not a notion of freedom IN bondage.

But this heresy is very seductive for the carnal mind. There was a lot of debate about this in the early church as teachers sneaked in to teach what is false.

 

[H. Richard]

Rom 8:12, Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13, For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

If you live after the flesh you will die. Now I know that you would have to interpret this as physical death for it not to be talking of spiritual death. However the verse does not identify it as physical death; so you must consider the distinct possibility that if we live according to the flesh we will die spiritually (i.e. condemnation) at some point

Jas 1:14, But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15, Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Jas 1:16, Do not err, my beloved brethren.

Here we find that it is not necessarily an immediate thing that a person dies spiritually when they commit an act of the flesh. Sin must be fully grown; and finished in a person's life. Note the exhortation James gives to us that we not err concerning this doctrine. It is clear to me that this is speaking of spiritual life and death.

Rom 6:22, But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23, For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Here, when it says that the wages of sin is death, the common interpretation is that it means separation from the Lord (spiritual death). If we say that this is not the case concerning other passages, then we are not being consistent in our hermeneutical study.

Notice also that the end is everlasting life, when we are made free from sin. This ought to tell you that behaviour matters.

Sure it does. But no man can become perfect in sinful flesh. To live after the flesh is the flesh trying to save it's self by pandering to the works of the flesh as a means of salvation. You should have used Romans 8:1 where there is NOW no condemnation for those in Christ. I do not believe Jesus came to make our sinful bodies become sinless. It is in the spirit that a person is sinless because they have been given, as a gift, God's own righteousness through faith in His work on the cross.

As for the writings of James they are not for those under grace. His book is addressed to the Jews only (James 1:1) and it is wrong to say we, under grace, have to live by the Law of Moses.

 

[H. Richard]

PICJAG.

You have worked hard to put up a smoke screen to say what?

This thread is about the """MYSTERIES"" taught by Paul. It seems to me that you wish to ignore them.

 

[101G]

You have worked hard to put up a smoke screen to say what?

This thread is about the """MYSTERIES"" taught by Paul. It seems to be that you wish to ignore them.

no they have been revealed. that's all.

PICJAG.

 

[H. Richard]

While this is true it isn't what you think it is. The mystery is the power of the cross that makes us be dead to sin...and walk as Jesus walked. It is the power of His grace on these mortal bodies.

You would have us go from....being dead in sin...to being alive in sin? Or...a born again sinner? Which makes a mockery of the real gospel which is by the power of God.

We are made actually holy and blameless by the operation of God. The doctrine is about power.

Your idea is a notion or premise that sin is no longer seen as sin. You are teaching transgression...not grace

But this is what Paul and John have to say about that error...

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Gal. 2:17 “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! 18 For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.


You are making all this about God looking the other way for sins...and not what God can do through us to overcome sin. The whole point of our redemption is to walk IN Jesus where there is no sin. Not to sin because they are already paid for. That is the opposite of God's work.

Jesus didn't pay for us to sin. Or pay for us to remain in bondage to sin. He came to set us free from sin. This life is not a sin merry-go-round as you are making it out to be.

1 John 5:18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.



Your teaching is as false as can be. (there is a seductive quality to it to be sure) Jesus overcame the devil and we also do the same by abiding in Christ. In HIM is NO sin.

So you are preaching a sinful Jesus...so that even when we are in Him...we still sin.

So then that isn't the real Jesus. The sinful Jesus is bogus.

You would turn the bible inside out so that "to whom much is given (grace) LESS is required"???...but the truth is that the Holy Spirit makes us MORE responsible for every sin!!!

...why? Because in Christ we have been given the same power to overcome as He has. As He is so are we in this world.

I have read your belief that the flesh can become sinless and I do not believe it. Jesus did not come to make some people better than others. No man alive is without sin in their life and that includes you.

Your message is that you can become like God by the way you live is what Satan told Eve.

 

[justbyfaith]

I do not believe Jesus came to make our sinful bodies become sinless.

See Romans 8:23. Our adoption as sons = the redemption of the body. This is defined by Ephesians 5:30-32 w/ 1 John 3:5, also 1 Thessalonians 5:23. Is the redemption of the body only in the future? In Galatians 4:5-7, it is identified as something that was past in the life of the Galatian believers. It is also promised to us in Ephesians 1:5.

Also, if you look at Hebrews 9:13b-14a, I believe that you will see that the blood of Christ is capable of sanctifying the flesh.

Heb 9:13, For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14, How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Furthermore, the body of sin is defined as the encapsulation of that which is sinful within us, in Romans 6:6; and the body of the sins of the flesh is defined as the encapsulation of that which is sinful within our flesh, in Colossians 2:11. This "body" according to these scriptures, is both destroyed and put off from us through the crucifixion of the old man and the circumcision of Christ.

Finally, 1 John 1:7 tells us that the blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sin; which scripture is to be interpreted by Titus 2:14, which tells us that He gave Himself for us in order that He might redeem us from all iniquity. He is also able to keep us from falling and to present faultless before His presence with exceeding joy according to Jude 1:24.

There is more. In 1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, and 1 John 2:6; it is said that we can become righteous even as He is righteous, pure even as He is pure, and walk even as He walked.

It is said in 2 Peter 1:10 that if we endeavor to make our calling and election sure, we shall never fall. In 1 John 2:10, if we love our brothers and sisters in Christ, there is no occasion of stumbling in us.

Need I go on? In scripture, leaven is a type of sin; and in 1 Corinthians 5:7 we are said to be unleavened.

That coupled with the original three passages that tell us of entire sanctification (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24, Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), and 1 John 3:9), create an almost overwhelming testimony that we can walk in total freedom from the sins of the flesh, in the practical sense. Is that not what 1 John 3:5-9 tells us? It is this passage that is most often ignored by those who do not believe in the doctrine of entire sanctification.

 

[bbyrd009]

The false gospel about sin no longer counting, stems from an ancient heresy...that of Gnosticism...whereby what you do with your body doesn't count...it's your beliefs and knowledge that saves you. It divorces actions in the body from religious beliefs...the latter cancelling out the former.

As in...God no longer cares if you sin...it's all about beliefs....as the OP plainly states.

It is putting faith in a god that has no power over the flesh. Whereas Jesus walked in perfection and proved He had all power over the flesh.

But Jesus overcame this world. And IN Him we partake of His life, His power, His grace.

The real gospel is freedom from bondage...not a notion of freedom IN bondage.

But this heresy is very seductive for the carnal mind. There was a lot of debate about this in the early church as teachers sneaked in to teach what is false.

nice Epi, ty

 

[H. Richard]

See Romans 8:23. Our adoption as sons = the redemption of the body. This is defined by Ephesians 5:30-32 w/ 1 John 3:5, also 1 Thessalonians 5:23. Is the redemption of the body only in the future? In Galatians 4:5-7, it is identified as something that was past in the life of the Galatian believers. It is also promised to us in Ephesians 1:5.

Also, if you look at Hebrews 9:13b-14a, I believe that you will see that the blood of Christ is capable of sanctifying the flesh.

Furthermore, the body of sin is defined as the encapsulation of that which is sinful within us, in Romans 6:6; and the body of the sins of the flesh is defined as the encapsulation of that which is sinful within our flesh, in Colossians 2:11. This "body" according to these scriptures, is both destroyed and put off from us through the crucifixion of the old man and the circumcision of Christ.

Finally, 1 John 1:7 tells us that the blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sin; which scripture is to be interpreted by Titus 2:14, which tells us that He gave Himself for us in order that He might redeem us from all iniquity. He is also able to keep us from falling and to present faultless before His presence with exceeding joy according to Jude 1:24.

There is more. In 1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, and 1 John 2:6; it is said that we can become righteous even as He is righteous, pure even as He is pure, and walk even as He walked.

It is said in 2 Peter 1:10 that if we endeavor to make our calling and election sure, we shall never fall. In 1 John 2:10, if we love our brothers and sisters in Christ, there is no occasion of stumbling in us.

Need I go on? In scripture, leaven is a type of sin; and in 1 Corinthians 5:7 we are said to be unleavened.

That coupled with the original three passages that tell us of entire sanctification (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24, Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), and 1 John 3:9), create an almost overwhelming testimony that we can walk in total freedom from the sins of the flesh, in the practical sense. Is that not what 1 John 3:5-9 tells us? It is this passage that is most often ignored by those who do not believe in the doctrine of entire sanctification.

So in your opinion our flesh can be made sinless. I don't believe that.

 

[justbyfaith]

So in your opinion our flesh can be made sinless. I don't believe that.

Our entire spirit and soul and body can be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[justbyfaith]

So in your opinion our flesh can be made sinless. I don't believe that.

edited #10 (The Mysteries that Paul taught:).

 

[H. Richard]

Our entire spirit and soul and body can be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

It would be nice if people would give the place their scripture qoutes come from. I searched for the words "and body" and it is not found.

Col 1:21-23
21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled
22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight —
23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.
NKJV

This does not say our flesh and blood bodies are blameless while we live on this earth.

He has reconciled us in spirit. Or did we miss that Jesus said we must be born again of the spirit. Not by our works.

We are placed """IN HIM"" by the Holy Spirit. Jesus paid for our sins of the flesh. Romans 8:1 there is therefore NO CONDEMNATION for the children of God.

Our flesh bodies will die and corrupt. No sin will be allowed to go into Heaven.

 

[justbyfaith]

If you were to look up the verses that I normally reference, you would know where the words and body are found...in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 (kjv).

 

[H. Richard]

If you were to look up the verses that I normally reference, you would know where the words and body are found...in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 (kjv).

1 Thess 5:23-24
23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it.
NKJV

My Bible software search did not find the words "and body". But as you can see the search of 1 Thess 5:23-24 does show them. I am not sure what the software problem is.

However, preserved does not mean sinless. When the children of God are placed in the body of Christ they are blameless because their sins were paid for on the cross.

Thanks for the reference.

 

[justbyfaith]

Blameless means without blame.

This would indicate a holy walk to some extent.

In Ephesians 1:4 indicates we can be holy and without blame before the Lord.

In Hebrews 4:13 it becomes clear that nothing is hidden from the Lord's sight.

Jesus said to make the inside of the cup and platter clean and the outside will be clean also.

Therefore, Jesus' standard of being holy and without blame has to do with being clean on the inside; in His sight: which means, in reality!!!

We can be pure even as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3); righteous even as He is righteous (1 John 3:7); we can walk even as He walked (1 John 2:2).

He is able to keep you from falling and present you faultless before Him (Jude 1:24). If you give diligence to make your calling and election sure, you will never fall (2 Peter 1:10). If you love your brother the way the Lord wants you to, there is no occasion of stumbling in you (1 John 2:10).

He is able to sanctify you wholly (1 Thessalonians 5:23); and He also will do it (1 Thessalonians 5:24). He is also able by one offering to perfect you for ever once you are sanctified (Hebrews 10:10, Hebrews 10:14). Once you are born of God, it will be true of you that you cannot sin (1 John 3:9).