The Insanity of the "right" to have guns!

[Grailhunter]

you said in #1265

"What is the worst that can happen, you go to heaven"? this makes no sense. how does "worst" equate with "heaven"?

Exactly....there are a lot of things worse than going to heaven. Heaven is a good thing.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

I was only asking a question, and it had to do with the whole issue of protection. It was just a curiosity based on some of the things you had relayed. There was no need to take offence, sometimes odd questions just arise……if you don’t feel like answering the question that is absolutely fine. Xx
It was just something I was mulling over as I read the thread x
Rita

sorry if you understood my response as me taking offence at what you said, I was not offended in any way.

I was trying to understand your reasonings, maybe I misunderstood?

Ultimately I believe that all true believers must fully trust in the Lord with our very lives, there is no other way. we live in a very wicked and evil world, which is getting worse by the day. the ONLY HOPE for the believer in everything, is Jesus Christ. Period.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Exactly....there are a lot of things worse than going to heaven. Heaven is a good thing.

must be the American "english" which I cannot understand!

 

[Grailhunter]

must be the American "english" which I cannot understand!

OK

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

OK

care to restate it?

 

[Grailhunter]

care to restate it?

I did
Exactly....there are a lot of things worse than going to heaven. Heaven is a good thing.
Is there a question behind this...about dying, violence, or Guns?

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Is there a question behind this...about dying, violence, or Guns?

Indeed, do we as Christians fully trust in the Lord for everything, or most things?

 

[Grailhunter]

Indeed, do we as Christians fully trust in the Lord for everything, or most things?

We as Christians trust that God has a plan for the us and the world. Now options vary as to are we suppose to do nothing or something. And then at what level? Actions? No actions. At what level are you talking about?

 

[Cristo Rei]

There is nothing wrong with having a weapon for purposes already stated...

It's the demonisation of such people that is totally unchristian...

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

We as Christians trust that God has a plan for the us and the world. Now options vary as to are we suppose to do nothing or something. And then at what level? Actions? No actions. At what level are you talking about?

simply that we have to fully trust the Lord at every "level".

 

[Grailhunter]

simply that we have to fully trust the Lord at every "level".

Kool

 

[CadyandZoe]

Ok iv switched on my laptop so that i could post this picture i took a couple months ago.
And this is not in a gun shop but a camping shop.
How else do you guys think we deal with crocodiles, snakes and other such animals in Australia? :)

I just think your media have used it as propaganda and blown it out of proportion by saying "look at them blah blah blah no guns"... Its all propaganda my friend to try and bring in more gun laws to the USA

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Let me ask you this, can any person buy one of those guns? Does your country acknowledge that you have a right to own one? Is everyone in you country a crock hunter or is gun ownership restricted to crock hunters? I think your facts belie the truth. According to Wikipedia, "A person must have a firearm license to possess or use a firearm. License holders must demonstrate a "genuine reason" (which does not include self-defence) ..." Is this true?

Secondly, you are mistaken about how the US views Australia's gun laws. The word we hear is that your country was helpless to fight against government oppression. Did you take the jab? Did you lock down? Did you get a vax passport? Did you quarantine? Did you wear a mask to work? Do you think your government would have treated you with such evil presumption if your people were able to rise up and take control? Only a hand full of States were as oppressive as your country has been and still is. We call these Blue States, meaning, they are run by so-called Democrats, who, as it turns out, are drunk on power. (Revelation 17:2)

Finally, does your leadership fear that an armed populace will rise up and storm the capital with weapons? Mine does. Why do you think they staged a mock insurrection Jan. 6, 2020? Both sides of the isle are afraid of insurrection, which is why, when the globalists staged this mock insurrection, it frightened the nationalists into submission. The entire thing was fake, though. The so-called protestors didn't bring guns.

Globalists fear an armed populace, which is why Hollywood makes several movies a year on the subject. (They always make movies about what they fear.) "Whitehouse Down", "Olympus has fallen", "London has fallen", "Sum of all fears" are a few of the movies I own because I like the actors.

 

[JohnPaul]

And police/law enforcement will have guns too.

But police/law enforcement can only do so much. Make guns illegal, and self-defense from armed criminals is weakened. If only there were a way to know whether fewer gun deaths or more gun deaths would result from making guns illegal . . . I suspect fewer, but I don't know.

I never said make them illegal.

 

[JohnPaul]

And I will make it every time!

That is your right Naomanos.

 

[Cristo Rei]

Let me ask you this, can any person buy one of those guns? Does your country acknowledge that you have a right to own one? Is everyone in you country a crock hunter or is gun ownership restricted to crock hunters? I think your facts belie the truth. According to Wikipedia, "A person must have a firearm license to possess or use a firearm. License holders must demonstrate a "genuine reason" (which does not include self-defence) ..." Is this true?

Secondly, you are mistaken about how the US views Australia's gun laws. The word we hear is that your country was helpless to fight against government oppression. Did you take the jab? Did you lock down? Did you get a vax passport? Did you quarantine? Did you wear a mask to work? Do you think your government would have treated you with such evil presumption if your people were able to rise up and take control? Only a hand full of States were as oppressive as your country has been and still is. We call these Blue States, meaning, they are run by so-called Democrats, who, as it turns out, are drunk on power. (Revelation 17:2)

Finally, does your leadership fear that an armed populace will rise up and storm the capital with weapons? Mine does. Why do you think they staged a mock insurrection Jan. 6, 2020? Both sides of the isle are afraid of insurrection, which is why, when the globalists staged this mock insurrection, it frightened the nationalists into submission. The entire thing was fake, though. The so-called protestors didn't bring guns.

Globalists fear an armed populace, which is why Hollywood makes several movies a year on the subject. (They always make movies about what they fear.) "Whitehouse Down", "Olympus has fallen", "London has fallen", "Sum of all fears" are a few of the movies I own because I like the actors.

Hang on a sec.
Your claim was that there were no guns in Australia. Wasn't it?
I never said there wasn't restrictions
My only claim was that people can get guns in Australia.
I just proved you are wrong.
Now your just changing your argument without admitting such.

Acknowledge your error and I will answer your questions the best I can.
I'm not anti gun

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

So since self defense is not a good enough reason to own a firearm in aussieland, what is a good enough reason?

the fact that you have to get govt’s permission first proves that guns arent a right down there.

 

[Cristo Rei]

So since self defense is not a good enough reason to own a firearm in aussieland, what is a good enough reason?

the fact that you have to get govt’s permission first proves that guns arent a right down there.

Dude I'm not anti gun...

All I'm saying is that people can buy guns here. That's all

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Its entirely possible that most non-Americans dont understand how violent America is to live in. And its not because of the guns, its because so many evil people run free knowing that big govt wont do anything to them.

now heres a story, which we hear about daily. And for the people saying God will keep you safe, if you watch the video, you can hear people praying to Jesus for the woman. No one does anything to even lift a finger to help this lady. Its infuriating. Now down here where i am, you act like this, you will die, guaranteed.
Woman pleads on NYC subway during attack, no one responds

 

[CadyandZoe]

After the shooting in 96 they brought in stricter gun laws. One was no more automatic rifles. Another was no automatic shotguns. So people were forced to hand in these guns

So, they were forced to hand in the guns? The article says that the government bought the guns back from the citizens.

Do you see the irony here? Maybe you don't. You are up to your chin in alligators.

First, the government used YOUR tax money to "purchase" your guns. Secondly, the article refers to the program as a "mandatory gun buyback program". The wording implies that the government formerly owned the guns, only to buy them back later. But anyone who has remained awake can see that the government didn't "buy back" the guns, they confiscated the guns.

Secondly, if the purpose was to implement a strict set of laws concerning gun ownership, Firearms Registry for example, why buy the guns? Why not allow people to keep the guns, while waiting to obtain the required permits?

In reality, you can't "own" a gun in Australia. You just think you can. It's all about wording and obfuscation. When I own something, I am free to use it anyway I want. I don't need anybody's permission. I don't need to give anyone a reason. I don't need the government's permission to use a screwdriver. I just go to the hardware store, purchase a screwdriver, and use it however it pleases me.

I'm guessing that most Australians didn't go through all the bureaucratic hoops to "buy back" their own guns. Thus, rather than making Australians safer, they made them less safe because the government removed the deterrent against the common criminal that comes to the house at night to steal your stuff or rape your wife.

Do you know what this means?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

This statement comes from our constitution. This second amendment to our constitution enumerates our unalienable rights as citizens, which stands above the laws of the land. It acknowledges that God will hold each individual personally liable for protecting his family. The basis of the second amendment is the fact that God will hold a man responsible to protect his family from evil, and that since each individual is personally answerable to God for the protection of his family, he will hold the government accountable if it should infringe on a man's right to protect himself, his family, and his neighbors. Defending one's family is a God-given task that should never be infringed.

If this is true, then it applies worldwide, not strictly in the United States. The US constitution doesn't grant these rights. God granted us these rights. The Constitution contracts to protect these rights. If the basis of our contract is true, then every human being, by virtue of being a creature under God's rule, must be allowed to not only protect himself and his family, but to protect his town or his village. In other words, every human being has these rights, not just people in the US.

Bottom line, God is going to hold every individual on the planet personally responsible for allowing the government to usurp that responsibility. We can hire the government to help us, but the government should never encroach or infringe upon the individual's authority to protect his family. And the individual person would violate God's will if he or she should give up sovereignty to the state.

Individual Australians are violating God's will.

 

[Cristo Rei]

You Americans have been lied to buy your MSM about guns in Australia... Most of you think there are no guns here cos the media has used us a propaganda "look at Australia no guns no mass shootings". It's all bs my friends. Yes there are heavy gun restrictions here but people can still buy guns contrary to popular American belief