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[TheHC]

For those who are interested:
The Bible does not say anywhere that soul and spirit are interchangeable, ie., the same.

The Hebrew Scriptures use different words, “nep(h)es(h)” for “soul”, “ruach” for “spirit”.

Same for the Gr. Scriptures: “psyché” for “soul”, “pneuma” for “spirit”.

They mean different things.

 

[DJT_47]

For those who are interested:
The Bible does not say anywhere that soul and spirit are interchangeable, ie., the same.

The Hebrew Scriptures use different words, “nep(h)es(h)” for “soul”, “ruach” for “spirit”.

Same for the Gr. Scriptures: “psyché” for “soul”, “pneuma” for “spirit”.

They mean different things.

100% agree. I wrote and posted on this here and elsewhere previously. Here it is once again in support of your post.

First of all, what is the soul? Some equate it with the spirit, but that's not correct. Some think that God gives you a soul which is also not correct. See below repost of mine.

The bible says you become a living soul; you are not given one as some people erroneously believe. God does not hand-out souls. The bible also states that the soul is not the spirit, also as some erroneously believe, and that they can be divided.The bible says that souls came out of the loins of Jacob. The bible also says that God has a soul.

Here's what the bible says regarding the soul. (Pertinent scriptures)

Gen2:7 KJV

"7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

The interlinear Hebrew says "being" (lenepes) not soul

Exodus 1:5 KJV

"And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already."

Souls are in your loins according to this scripture. Here, the interlinear does say "soul" in Hebrew and not "being". Two different Hebrew words; napes or nepes for souls vs. lenepes

And finally, Hebrews 4:12 KJV

"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

The interlinear Greek is "phyches" for soul and "pneumatos" for spirit

 

[Lizbeth]

100% agree. I wrote and posted on this here and elsewhere previously. Here it is once again in support of your post.

First of all, what is the soul? Some equate it with the spirit, but that's not correct. Some think that God gives you a soul which is also not correct. See below repost of mine.

The bible says you become a living soul; you are not given one as some people erroneously believe. God does not hand-out souls. The bible also states that the soul is not the spirit, also as some erroneously believe, and that they can be divided.The bible says that souls came out of the loins of Jacob. The bible also says that God has a soul.

Here's what the bible says regarding the soul. (Pertinent scriptures)

Gen2:7 KJV

"7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

The interlinear Hebrew says "being" (lenepes) not soul

Exodus 1:5 KJV

"And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already."

Souls are in your loins according to this scripture. Here, the interlinear does say "soul" in Hebrew and not "being". Two different Hebrew words; napes or nepes for souls vs. lenepes

And finally, Hebrews 4:12 KJV

"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

The interlinear Greek is "phyches" for soul and "pneumatos" for spirit

To my understanding, soul is connected with the body....it is kind of the meeting point of body (which includes the brain and physical senses) and spirit. This is why the saving of our soul has to involve the receiving of a new glorified body when we die. Our spirit needs a "house" to live in, so that it will not be disembodied. (Kind of like our body needs to be covered with skin or will not survive.) This is why Jesus said to fear Him who can destroy body and soul in hell....they are connected. Without a body, a covering, the soul is dead and has no expression of itself. Hope that makes sense.

2Co 5:1-4

For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

 

[DJT_47]

To my understanding, soul is connected with the body....it is kind of the meeting point of body (which includes the brain and physical senses) and spirit. This is why the saving of our soul has to involve the receiving of a new glorified body when we die. Our spirit needs a "house" to live in, so that it will not be disembodied. (Kind of like our body needs to be covered with skin or will not survive.) This is why Jesus said to fear Him who can destroy body and soul in hell....they are connected. Without a body, a covering, the soul is dead and has no expression of itself. Hope that makes sense.

2Co 5:1-4

For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

It sounds like you're confusing spirit and soul however, since you said "our spirit needs a house" but then go on to again refer to the soul. As the original poster pointed out, as did my repost, they are not one in the same; two distinct things

 

[amadeus]

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Interesting that Satan appears regularly before the divine council if evil is not allowed in God's presence.
Or that his Spirit indwells us. How could that be?

Sorry if someone else has already responded to this question. I only skimmed through most of this thread. Way too much for me to read, much less to absorb. Your question caught my eye...

Consider the tabernacle in the wilderness with the outer court into which any natural and sinful Israelite could enter in order to present his sacrifice [First Heaven]. The priests (purified sons of Aaron) could enter into the holy place to offer sacrifice [Second Heaven]. Finally, into the Holiest of Holies (Most Holy Place) only the High Priest could enter once a year [Third Heaven].

Could this not correspond to the three heavens of which Apostle Paul alluded? Of what does the process of overcoming consist? Repentance first [first heaven]; then receiving the Holy Spirit in order to be able to battle against the evil ways within oneself as well as without [second heaven]; and finally having overcome all the ways as did Jesus [third heaven: John 16:33].

See also perhaps another shadow of the three heavens in the three levels of the Ark which Noah built according the directions provided by God.

 

[TheHC]

100% agree. I wrote and posted on this here and elsewhere previously. Here it is once again in support of your post.

First of all, what is the soul? Some equate it with the spirit, but that's not correct. Some think that God gives you a soul which is also not correct. See below repost of mine.

The bible says you become a living soul; you are not given one as some people erroneously believe. God does not hand-out souls. The bible also states that the soul is not the spirit, also as some erroneously believe, and that they can be divided.The bible says that souls came out of the loins of Jacob. The bible also says that God has a soul.

Here's what the bible says regarding the soul. (Pertinent scriptures)

Gen2:7 KJV

"7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

The interlinear Hebrew says "being" (lenepes) not soul

Exodus 1:5 KJV

"And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already."

Souls are in your loins according to this scripture. Here, the interlinear does say "soul" in Hebrew and not "being". Two different Hebrew words; napes or nepes for souls vs. lenepes

And finally, Hebrews 4:12 KJV

"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

The interlinear Greek is "phyches" for soul and "pneumatos" for spirit

I appreciate your post.
Since as you pointed, God is a soul, it couldn’t be something in the loins. God has none!

Like with Adam (& God) & all of us, we each have our own character, personality, our awareness.

Even animals are souls! Revelation 16:3


As Jesus pointed out at Matthew 10:28, soul is more than the body, but it can be destroyed. However, our person can be remembered by God, and will recreate us in the Resurrection. That’s why Ezekiel 18:4,20 quoting God‘s words says, “The soul that is sinning, it itself will die.” But God also says “all the souls — TO ME they belong.”

It can really be a comforting, thought, for those who have lost loved ones. The future Resurrection is the only hope God has provided through Jesus, for our loved ones to live again.

Take care, my cousin.

 

[DJT_47]

I appreciate your post.
Since as you pointed, God is a soul, it couldn’t be something in the loins. God has none!

Like with Adam (& God) & all of us, we each have our own character, personality, our awareness.

Even animals are souls! Revelation 16:3


As Jesus pointed out at Matthew 10:28, soul is more than the body, but it can be destroyed. However, our person can be remembered by God, and will recreate us in the Resurrection. That’s why Ezekiel 18:4,20 quoting God‘s words says, “The soul that is sinning, it itself will die.” But God also says “all the souls — TO ME they belong.”

It can really be a comforting, thought, for those who have lost loved ones. The future Resurrection is the only hope God has provided through Jesus, for our loved ones to live again.

Take care, my cousin.

I didnt say God is, but but has a soul. And because God also has a soul too, it doesn't mean he had a beginning within the loins of anything prior to him since he has no beginning or end. It simply means he too is a conscious being as are we and as are animals as you mentioned which I am aware of. He simply devised a process by which souls are generated here. The passage can't be ignored as to the origin of souls as being in the loins. It, the word of God said that, not me. I simply referenced it and take it for what it says.