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2 Purity, Greeting
1 Timothy 1:5 "Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling. 7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm". LOL.
so Purity, where is your doctrine?, in the ditch. the only thing you can do is vain jangling
be blessed, I hope?.
1 Timothy 1:5 "Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling. 7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm". LOL.
so Purity, where is your doctrine?, in the ditch. the only thing you can do is vain jangling
be blessed, I hope?.
I wonder if you are like this in person?
I mean, there was a time when I too "wanted" the doctrine and would confront people for it as you do. I would go a fishing with this doctrine or that...but in the end what have I achieved?
Actually, I have been kicked off more forums than I would like to remember, but you learn with age and wisdom to show a measure of respect in a Christ like manner and this is about as good as it gets.
So far I enjoyed rubbing shoulders with Daq though our start was a bit bumpy I look forward to more amicable discussions God Willing.
In terms of your approach I am going to post you a personal study which may or may not help in your conversing with others here on the CB.
In the Masters Service.
Purity
(Did you like the little smiley fishing?) Mark 1:17 :)
I mean, there was a time when I too "wanted" the doctrine and would confront people for it as you do. I would go a fishing with this doctrine or that...but in the end what have I achieved?
Actually, I have been kicked off more forums than I would like to remember, but you learn with age and wisdom to show a measure of respect in a Christ like manner and this is about as good as it gets.
So far I enjoyed rubbing shoulders with Daq though our start was a bit bumpy I look forward to more amicable discussions God Willing.
In terms of your approach I am going to post you a personal study which may or may not help in your conversing with others here on the CB.
In the Masters Service.
Purity
(Did you like the little smiley fishing?) Mark 1:17 :)
2 Purity,
So far I enjoyed rubbing shoulders with Daq though our start was a bit bumpy I look forward to more amicable discussions God Willing.
In terms of your approach I am going to post you a personal study which may or may not help in your conversing with others here on the CB.
thanks, but no thanks. I'm like the apostle Paul. 2 Corinthians 11:6 "But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things".
and as I said I'm not rubbing shoulders, or holding any hands either. :huh:
So far I enjoyed rubbing shoulders with Daq though our start was a bit bumpy I look forward to more amicable discussions God Willing.
In terms of your approach I am going to post you a personal study which may or may not help in your conversing with others here on the CB.
thanks, but no thanks. I'm like the apostle Paul. 2 Corinthians 11:6 "But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things".
and as I said I'm not rubbing shoulders, or holding any hands either. :huh:
Very sad.101G said:
1 Cor 9:20KJV
Let me know when you are prepared to become a gentile sinner.
2 Purity,
all talk, and no show?. where is your scripture to back up your claim, or claims?. I used scripture to support my beliefs. and used the same scriptures to disprove your beliefs.
1 Cor 9:20KJV
Let me know when you are prepared to become a gentile sinner.
you just post scripture, as one say "don't be a scripture monkey".
since you used that scripture, which seems to be your comfort. well I'll apply that scripture with this scripture for you. 1 Corinthians 3:11-15.
Now as I have said before. vain jangling is not apart of this discussion topic. if you want to discuss the topic at hand fine. else you will be ignored. Plain and simple.
be blessed.
all talk, and no show?. where is your scripture to back up your claim, or claims?. I used scripture to support my beliefs. and used the same scriptures to disprove your beliefs.
1 Cor 9:20KJV
Let me know when you are prepared to become a gentile sinner.
you just post scripture, as one say "don't be a scripture monkey".
since you used that scripture, which seems to be your comfort. well I'll apply that scripture with this scripture for you. 1 Corinthians 3:11-15.
Now as I have said before. vain jangling is not apart of this discussion topic. if you want to discuss the topic at hand fine. else you will be ignored. Plain and simple.
be blessed.
Like I said "Let me know when you are prepared to become a gentile sinner"101G said:
Then we can talk.
Spoken like a teacher of the Law.101G said:
101G "all flesh is grass, even your flesh"
If you cannot teach with humility you cannot teach.
Out of your mouth should not come blessings and cursing's.
Finally, keep constantly before your mind your total helplessness and total dependence upon God. Never slip into the folly of feeling self-confident or self-sufficient. This is the only wisdom. We are nothing. Our highest 'knowledge' is foolishness: our greatest achievements are meaningless and puny. Only as willing and faithful instruments in the hands of God can we do anything worthwhile, or anything right. Maintain the direct and continuous contact, or you lose all power of truth and holiness.
In my eyes you lost your power when you turn to arrogance and pride in whatever knowledge you believe you have - from this knowledge I judge it worthless as it is not in the meekness and Spirit of Christ therefore it cannot be of him.
Purity
The scriptures are my light and the clear reading of the scriptures make clear and evident the Father and the Son are One.101G said:2 HiddenManna
Not sure how the last post thinks is supposed to defeat the truth of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as they manifest in the scriptures? One must work very hard to deny this clear and evident truth of the scriptures, I guess thats the only point I can see. :lol:
One must work very hard?. there's no hard work to prove a lie. the work have already been done. and guess what?. there's no math involved
Just the plain truth. light cast out darkness. but men love darkness. that's just some men nature.
and the reason you don't know?, is because you don't want to know
bottom line. if you refuse the truth, that's OK, because you're not rejecting me, but he who sent me. and one thing is sure, you can't claim ignorance when you come before the judgment seat of Christ. because I have told you.
I have seen no evidence of scripture to the things you declare? If you seek to convince honest Christians of anything you must be able to do so in the scriptures, not by vain and carnal reasoning of mans logic. :wacko:
The scriptures are my light and the clear reading of the scriptures make clear and evident the Father and the Son are One.
I have seen no evidence of scripture to the things you declare? If you seek to convince honest Christians of anything you must be able to do so in the scriptures, not by vain and carnal reasoning of mans logic.
this sounds like a defeated person. who can't defend their beliefs. since your three person, or three aspects have been explained away with scripture. so now there is nothing to say but excuses, excuses, excuses. Oh well.
if your scriptures that support your beliefs is your light, I suggest calling motel 6 and get your money back. because they didn't leave the lights on this time.
and you said, "I have seen no evidence of scripture to the things you declare?". Just re-read the posts. I don't know about you, for we walk by FAITH, and not by SIGHT .
be blessed.
I have seen no evidence of scripture to the things you declare? If you seek to convince honest Christians of anything you must be able to do so in the scriptures, not by vain and carnal reasoning of mans logic.
this sounds like a defeated person. who can't defend their beliefs. since your three person, or three aspects have been explained away with scripture. so now there is nothing to say but excuses, excuses, excuses. Oh well.
if your scriptures that support your beliefs is your light, I suggest calling motel 6 and get your money back. because they didn't leave the lights on this time.
and you said, "I have seen no evidence of scripture to the things you declare?". Just re-read the posts. I don't know about you, for we walk by FAITH, and not by SIGHT
.be blessed.
while in discussion on Polytheism, "the secret Religion"
some of the replies hit again this topic.
#1. Why must God be defined as one person?
Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD".
and,
c. Trinity involves one God, three persons. They are not one in the same.
see what I mean,
which is it, one or three. this is a great divide, too many are caught up in a global lie. free yourselves, as the apostle Peter said Acts 2:40 "And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation".
be blessed, I hope.
I guess you better LOCK all of my topic, as the Lord said, John 16:1 "These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. 2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service".
be blessed.
some of the replies hit again this topic.
#1. Why must God be defined as one person?
Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD".
and,
c. Trinity involves one God, three persons. They are not one in the same.
see what I mean,
which is it, one or three. this is a great divide, too many are caught up in a global lie. free yourselves, as the apostle Peter said Acts 2:40 "And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation".
be blessed, I hope.
I guess you better LOCK all of my topic, as the Lord said, John 16:1 "These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. 2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service".
be blessed.
And Mark 12:29
1. God & Father 1 Peter 1:3
2. Jesus & Son Matt 14:33
The Holy Spirit is not a separate person though is personified as such, like wisdom is not a person though personified as such Prov 8:1 :)
Two beings; two persons now sharing in one Power and in One Spirit....one still subject to the other.
This is Bible Truth
2 Purity, GINOLJC,
#1. these scripture are true, but are they understood,
And Mark 12:29
1. God & Father 1 Peter 1:3
2. Jesus & Son Matt 14:33
the titles, "Father", "Son", are only titles of the ONLY ONE TRUE SPIRIT, (the one whom is called THE HOLY SPIRIT). both titles is of the SAME PERSON.
#2. The Holy Spirit is not a separate person though is personified as such, like wisdom is not a person though personified as such Prov 8:1 :)
Two beings; two persons now sharing in one Power and in One Spirit....one still subject to the other.
This is Bible Truth
OK, lets see?. 1 Corinthians 1:22 "For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness 24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God".
a. Christ is the power, and wisdom, (proverb 8:1 &22, and Isaiah 45:18). this is bible truth
the Holy Spirit is the Key, if you will let zero in on the true Spirit, who is God. for Jesus the IMAGE of God the spirit, in flesh.
I think that the key and the understanding.
be blessed.
#1. these scripture are true, but are they understood,
And Mark 12:29
1. God & Father 1 Peter 1:3
2. Jesus & Son Matt 14:33
the titles, "Father", "Son", are only titles of the ONLY ONE TRUE SPIRIT, (the one whom is called THE HOLY SPIRIT). both titles is of the SAME PERSON.
#2. The Holy Spirit is not a separate person though is personified as such, like wisdom is not a person though personified as such Prov 8:1 :)
Two beings; two persons now sharing in one Power and in One Spirit....one still subject to the other.
This is Bible Truth
OK, lets see?. 1 Corinthians 1:22 "For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness 24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God".
a. Christ is the power, and wisdom, (proverb 8:1 &22, and Isaiah 45:18). this is bible truth
the Holy Spirit is the Key, if you will let zero in on the true Spirit, who is God. for Jesus the IMAGE of God the spirit, in flesh.
I think that the key and the understanding.
be blessed.
Understood - Jesus has a God...in like manner to you and I.
Not the same person for Power is transferred from one to another. Isa 11:3KJV (future tense!)
Agreed.OK, lets see?. 1 Corinthians 1:22 "For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness 24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God".
a. Christ is the power, and wisdom, (proverb 8:1 &22, and Isaiah 45:18). this is bible truth
You might like to read that sentence again...it doesn't make a coherent statement?
Try again...if possible use a Bible verse to support as per point (a.)
Purity
#1. Understood - Jesus has a God...in like manner to you and I.
Just as I have said, mis-understood, spoke like a TRUE Jehovah witness
ERROR, NO, AND I SAY AGAIN, NO JESUS HAVE NO GOD, HE IS GOD.
#2. the titles, "Father", "Son", are only titles of the ONLY ONE TRUE SPIRIT, (the one whom is called THE HOLY SPIRIT). both titles is of the SAME PERSON.
Not the same person for Power is transferred from one to another. Isa 11:3 (future tense!)
Who do you think came in the future?. Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you". and who came?, that's right JESUS, the only true GOD. he came in flesh and blood as, as, as, a man. Hebrews 10:7 "Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God". now who is the "I", and the God to the will?, you said it before, listen, Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, (HOLD IT, see Ps 40:7) is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom". the same WHO SPOKE IN THE O.T. is the SAME one who CAME, and did his OWN WILL, in flesh and blood. this is the whole propose of O.T prophecy, listen, 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: (hold it see Titus 2:11). 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow". there you have it in a nut shell. JESUS CHRIST is GOD in FLESH. the Spirit of Christ is GOD, not two Spirits but one and the same . read it again.
be blessed, I hope.
P.S. I assume you believe the "body prepared" was God the Father offering God the Son? Is this correct? Heb 10:5NET
(KJV) Genesis 22:8 "And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
A yes or no will suffice.
Just as I have said, mis-understood, spoke like a TRUE Jehovah witness
ERROR, NO, AND I SAY AGAIN, NO JESUS HAVE NO GOD, HE IS GOD.
#2. the titles, "Father", "Son", are only titles of the ONLY ONE TRUE SPIRIT, (the one whom is called THE HOLY SPIRIT). both titles is of the SAME PERSON.
Not the same person for Power is transferred from one to another. Isa 11:3 (future tense!)
Who do you think came in the future?. Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you". and who came?, that's right JESUS, the only true GOD. he came in flesh and blood as, as, as, a man. Hebrews 10:7 "Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God". now who is the "I", and the God to the will?, you said it before, listen, Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, (HOLD IT, see Ps 40:7) is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom". the same WHO SPOKE IN THE O.T. is the SAME one who CAME, and did his OWN WILL, in flesh and blood. this is the whole propose of O.T prophecy, listen, 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: (hold it see Titus 2:11). 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow". there you have it in a nut shell. JESUS CHRIST is GOD in FLESH. the Spirit of Christ is GOD, not two Spirits but one and the same . read it again.
be blessed, I hope.
P.S. I assume you believe the "body prepared" was God the Father offering God the Son? Is this correct? Heb 10:5NET
(KJV) Genesis 22:8 "And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
A yes or no will suffice.
It's been a while since I was called a JW.
By this distraction I assume you don't believe Jesus has a God?
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1Pe 1:3)
Did Peter have it wrong?
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I assume you believe the "body prepared" was God the Father offering God the Son? Is this correct? Heb 10:5NET
A yes or no will suffice.
Purity
It's been a while since I was called a JW. By this distraction I assume you don't believe Jesus has a God?
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1Pe 1:3)
Did Peter have it wrong?
#1. distraction?, no.
#2. I assume you don't believe Jesus has a God?, CORRECT.
#3. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1Pe 1:3). Did Peter have it wrong?.
No, only you don't understand. "Father" is the title of the Spirit without flesh and blood. the term, the title father have nothing to do with biological offspring.
and Son is the title of the same Spirit in, with flesh and blood.
lets see it, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root (Father), and the offspring (Son) of David, and the bright and morning star". now I ask how can he be both "ROOT", and "OFFSPRING"?. Father and son at the same time?, answer DIVERSITY.
and as for JESUS as GOD, 1 Timothy 6:15 "Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen". now Purity if JESUS CHRIST is the "ONLY", listen "ONLY" one who have immortality. where is the one you call father then?, if he's a separate Person. the Father is the Son in flesh.
P.S. if you're not of the jw's. why hold onto their Error's ways?.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1Pe 1:3)
Did Peter have it wrong?
#1. distraction?, no.
#2. I assume you don't believe Jesus has a God?, CORRECT.
#3. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1Pe 1:3). Did Peter have it wrong?.
No, only you don't understand. "Father" is the title of the Spirit without flesh and blood. the term, the title father have nothing to do with biological offspring.
and Son is the title of the same Spirit in, with flesh and blood.
lets see it, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root (Father), and the offspring (Son) of David, and the bright and morning star". now I ask how can he be both "ROOT", and "OFFSPRING"?. Father and son at the same time?, answer DIVERSITY.
and as for JESUS as GOD, 1 Timothy 6:15 "Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen". now Purity if JESUS CHRIST is the "ONLY", listen "ONLY" one who have immortality. where is the one you call father then?, if he's a separate Person. the Father is the Son in flesh.
P.S. if you're not of the jw's. why hold onto their Error's ways?.
You didn't answer?
Also you wrote:
What was in the mind of the Psalmist when he wrote Psalm 40?
Clearly the writer to the Hebrews quotes Psalm 40:6-8 as you have correctly stated. But this Psalm reads differently in the Old Testament than in the New: "Mine ears hast thou opened"
Its one thing to quote a passage its another to understand it!
We shall see.
Purity
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