The Final Gentile Global Leader.

[No Pre-TB]

`Then I saw ANOTHER BEAST coming up out of the EARTH...` (Rev. 13: 11)

Yes Marilyn. In Revelation 13, there are 2 beasts. The first is the beast that rises out of the sea. The second beast rises from the earth; this latter one is the false prophet. In Daniel 7, there are 2 beasts. In verse 1, 4 beasts rise out of the sea and we are told they are kingdoms. We are also shown 4 great beasts that rise from the earth; they are the kings that rule those kingdoms.

Because Daniel 7 shows beasts from the sea are kingdoms, deductive logic suggests the beast that rises from the sea in Revelation 13 is a kingdom. Daniel 7 also showed kings over these kingdoms are beasts that rise from the earth. The only beasts that rises from the earth in Rev 13 is the false prophet making him the authority over the first beast of the sea. He’s the one that makes all worship it. He institutes the mark. He blasphemes. He works false miracles.

 

[No Pre-TB]

and he won't desire women

Not that he won’t desire women. It’s actually “the desire of women”. The idea, some believe, is of his priests marrying. He would prefer them to be celibate. Women desire marriage.
Look at 1 Timothy 4:3 about profane things that will happen

 

[Marty fox]

Signs of defeat, backed into a corner of untrue slander and personal attacks

No it’s a true statement you are not being respectful or honest in answering my questions if not then please answer them.

 

[Marty fox]

Marty you have been clearly answered, and it's not going to change

The scripture below teaches John's (The Beast) is a future human man that will be present at the future battle of Armageddon, and his living body will be cast into the lake of fire at the final judgement

Marty how do you explain John's (The Beast) being present on earth in a future battle of Armageddon, that will culminate in the final judgement as seen below?

Jesus Is The Lord

Revelation 19:19-20KJV
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Yet I still don’t king your answers and you still refuse to answer the two questions that prove that the antichrist is just a future man. If you say that you answered it them then what are they because I don’t know.

I already took you that it’s not just in the past.

 

[No Pre-TB]

@Marty fox
I been trying to understand the conversation between you and @Truth7t7

Are you asking to prove: How is the Antichrist a physical specific man in the future?

Or do you also mean to ask how is the man of sin, little horn, a physical future man as well?

Perhaps you’re asking how he identifies the spirit of Antichrist with the man of sin since Antichrist isn’t 1 person. It can be many. It can be argued that there is one man of sin and does he also carry with him a spirit of Antichrist? That is different than calling him Antichrist.

The question can be difficult to understand if the reader doesn’t have the full context of what exactly is being asked.

 

[Marty fox]

@Marty fox
I been trying to understand the conversation between you and @Truth7t7

Are you asking to prove: How is the Antichrist a physical specific man in the future?

Or do you also mean to ask how is the man of sin, little horn, a physical future man as well?

Perhaps you’re asking how he identifies the spirit of Antichrist with the man of sin since Antichrist isn’t 1 person. It can be many. It can be argued that there is one man of sin and does he also carry with him a spirit of Antichrist? That is different than calling him Antichrist.

The question can be difficult to understand if the reader doesn’t have the full context of what exactly is being asked.

What I'm asking is that Truth said that the antichrist is a future person. I was asking him how can that be since John said the verses below in revelation and his epistles.

1 John 2:18
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 4:3
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.


Revelation 17:8
8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.

Obviously the antichrist isn't just a future person according to those verses.

 

[No Pre-TB]

Obviously the antichrist isn't just a future person according to those verses.

I agree. I think that’s because it’s pushed in soo many churches and has been since the 60’s. Obviously, the kingdom has many with the spirit of Antichrist. Perhaps the man of sin is one. But there are many with that spirit. What I find issue is when I hear someone say, “it’s the big A(ntichrist), not little a.” The same with tribulation. No, there is no big “A”. Not according to scripture for many have that same spirit.

 

[Truth7t7]

Not that he won’t desire women. It’s actually “the desire of women”. The idea, some believe, is of his priests marrying. He would prefer them to be celibate. Women desire marriage.
Look at 1 Timothy 4:3 about profane things that will happen

I Disagree, the counterfeit versions hide his identity in Daniel 11:37, I use the KJV

(The KJV) shows the figure is a Jew who's fathers worshipped the true Hebrew "God" that won't desire women

(The NIV) has the figure as worshipping many "gods" of his pagan ancestors and their god(s) is a playboy desired by women

Example:

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Daniel 11:37NIV
37 He will show no regard for the gods of his ancestors or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all.

 

[Truth7t7]

I already took you that it’s not just in the past.

Once again, the human man (The Beast) is future

The scripture below teaches John's (The Beast) is a future human man that will be present at the future battle of Armageddon, and his living body will be cast into the lake of fire at the final judgement

Marty how do you explain John's (The Beast) being present on earth in a future battle of Armageddon, that will culminate in the final judgement as seen below?

Jesus Is The Lord

Revelation 19:19-20KJV
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.


The scripture below teaches John's (The Beast) is a future human man that will be present at the future battle of Armageddon, and his living body will be cast into the lake of fire at the final judgement

Marty how do you explain John's (The Beast) being present on earth in a future battle of Armageddon, that will culminate in the final judgement as seen below?

Jesus Is The Lord

Revelation 19:19-20KJV
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[Truth7t7]

No it’s a true statement you are not being respectful or honest in answering my questions if not then please answer them.

"Untrue Slander" in a personal attack, claiming Truth7t7 is "Dishonest"

You can have your opinion on myself being disrespectful, but you have crossed the line in the false claim Truth7t7 is "Dishonest" Stop the "Slander" and personal attacks

 

[Marty fox]

"Untrue Slander" in a personal attack, claiming Truth7t7 is "Dishonest"

You can have your opinion on myself being disrespectful, but you have crossed the line in the false claim Truth7t7 is "Dishonest" Stop the "Slander" and personal attacks

I didn't say that you are dishonest I said that you are not being honest in answering my questions.

When you said that you answered how the AC or the beast can only be a future bad guy and you didn't thats not being honest. Also avoiding answering a direct question with a question and saying that you answered it is not being honest.

My question isn't about what else the AC or the beast is it was having you admit that the AC or the beast isn't only a future bad guy.

John in his epistles and in revelation states that the AC or the beast was also in his past so is John correct or mistaken? So please be honest with me and yourself and answer this direct question is the beast or the AC only a bad guy in the future?

Its as easy as a yes or a no.

 

[No Pre-TB]

Once again, the human man (The Beast) is future

Which beast?

 

[Truth7t7]

I didn't say that you are dishonest I said that you are not being honest in answering my questions.

When you said that you answered how the AC or the beast can only be a future bad guy and you didn't thats not being honest. Also avoiding answering a direct question with a question and saying that you answered it is not being honest.

My question isn't about what else the AC or the beast is it was having you admit that the AC or the beast isn't only a future bad guy.

John in his epistles and in revelation states that the AC or the beast was also in his past so is John correct or mistaken? So please be honest with me and yourself and answer this direct question is the beast or the AC only a bad guy in the future?

Its as easy as a yes or a no.

You are claiming Truth7t7 is dishonest and it started in post #48 as seen below, stop the untrue "Slander" in personal attacks!

Jesus Is The Lord

Quote Marty Fox, Post #48:

"Just answer them you know that you are being disrespectful and dishonest."

 

[Truth7t7]

Which beast?

John's (The Beast) Future Unfulfilled

Revelation 19:19-20KJV
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[Marty fox]

You are claiming Truth7t7 is dishonest and it started in post #48 as seen below, stop the untrue "Slander" in personal attacks!

Jesus Is The Lord

Quote Marty Fox, Post #48:

"Just answer them you know that you are being disrespectful and dishonest."

Did you even read my reply to you? You just proved my point I said that you are being dishonest I didn't say that you are dishonest.

There is a difference one is an overall character and the other is a moment or situation.

 

[Truth7t7]

Did you even read my reply to you? You just proved my point I said that you are being dishonest I didn't say that you are dishonest.

There is a difference one is an overall character and the other is a moment or situation.

I've asked several times, "stop the untrue slander and personal attacks", Truth7t7 isn't dishonest as you falsely claim, no further request or response

Jesus Is The Lord

Quote Marty Fox, Post #48:

"Just answer them you know that you are being disrespectful and dishonest."

 

[Marty fox]

I've asked several times, "stop the untrue slander and personal attacks", Truth7t7 isn't dishonest as you falsely claim, no further requests or response

Jesus Is The Lord

You obviously didn't read my response and once again failed to answer my questions.

 

[Marilyn C]

The Church will be present on earth during the tribulation, and witness the second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens

The pre-trib rapture doctrine is false and deception, found no place in scripture

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

And your scriptures showing that the B/C will be on the earth during the trib, please?

 

[Marilyn C]

The Final Gentile Global Leader.
OP^

* Currently There ARE fractions of World Nations in Leagues TOGETHER.
(Leagues of Arab nations, the EU, etc.)

* Currently There ARE nearly ALL World Nations in a League TOGETHER.
(United Nations. It’s Head spokesman and Leader is elected by the member nations. He is called the Secretary General, and serves a 5 Yr Term. No Term Limits. It is a World Government.)

* Currently There ARE “many anti-Christs” in the World.

* Currently There ARE Many Nations, that have BOTH;
~ An Official Political Leader.
~ An Official Religious Leader.

* Currently A FEW Nations ARE a “THEOCRACY”, meaning
Their Official Political Leader AND Official Religious Leader, IS THE SAME PERSON.

* Ancient Theocracy’s: (now defunct).
Tibet, China, Egypt, Israel, Japan.

* Historical and CURRENT Theocracy’s
Vatican City...Rome
Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen...Middle East.
Mauritania, Sudan...Africa

* Middle East / African CONTINUAL Warring...?
While the Official religion is Agreeably ISLAM...
The Individual who SITS as Leader, is Not Agreeable among the Citizens.

* The Disagreement? Sunni Muslims / Shiite Muslims.
* Difference?
Sunni ~ Does NOT REQUIRE their religious Leader to BE a DIRECT descendant of their Prophet Muhammad.
Shiite ~ DOES REQUIRE their religious Leader to BE a DIRECT descendant of their Prophet Muhammad.
* Problem?
* Sunni’s and Shiite’s occupy, live within the same countries, clash against each other.
* Some Arab Nations are Also, Majority, Sunni or Shiite, and those Nations clash.

* Primarily Sunni - Saudi Arabia, West Africa, Indonesia
* Primarily Shiites - Iraq, Iran
* IFY, (Saddam Hussein, was a Sunni, Leader over a nation of primarily Shiites.)

FACT:
Every World Nation THEOCRACY, Every WORLD EMPIRE THEOCRACY, Have Fought WARS TO GAIN BOTH:
* Political Governing Dominance...and
* Religious Governing Dominance.

FACT:
No amount of MONEY, No number of round table COUNCILS of men gathering under the guise of DIPLOMACY, will EVER Settle THE DIVISIONS.

FACT:
There WILL ALWAYS BE rumors of Wars and Wars, UNTIL the DAY, of the SIGN of the Son of Man.
AND HIS SEPARATING the DIVIDED.


Matt 24:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Rev 14:
[14] And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
[15] And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
[16] And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Fact is;
IF you HAVE NOT Confessed your BELIEF and Become Converted IN Christ and Raptured Before the Tribulation Begins...
Your second BEST OPTION is to BELIEVE IN God and Jesus IS the Christ, AND BE the Harvest, the Son of Man (with Power), Reaps From the Earth, During the Tribulation.

Glory to God,
Taken

Hi Taken,

Actually, it is the G7 who control the G 20 who control the UN that are the Global Leaders. They use the IMF to control the world`s finances. The UN is just the motivator of the people, by their so called moral values - respect, tolerance, inclusiveness, etc. These are throughout every area of society. Thus the Global Government.

Political - G7 (Lion, Eagle, Bear, Leopard)
Economic - IMF.
Religious - UN.

 

[Marilyn C]

Yes Marilyn. In Revelation 13, there are 2 beasts. The first is the beast that rises out of the sea. The second beast rises from the earth; this latter one is the false prophet. In Daniel 7, there are 2 beasts. In verse 1, 4 beasts rise out of the sea and we are told they are kingdoms. We are also shown 4 great beasts that rise from the earth; they are the kings that rule those kingdoms.

Because Daniel 7 shows beasts from the sea are kingdoms, deductive logic suggests the beast that rises from the sea in Revelation 13 is a kingdom. Daniel 7 also showed kings over these kingdoms are beasts that rise from the earth. The only beasts that rises from the earth in Rev 13 is the false prophet making him the authority over the first beast of the sea. He’s the one that makes all worship it. He institutes the mark. He blasphemes. He works false miracles.

I agree with part of what you say.

1. 4 beasts - Lion (& eagle), bear, Leopard, & terrifying beastly kingdoms. (from the sea - symbolic for `sea of people,` Political).
2. Beast from the earth. (earth representing the false religions of the earth) And he is under the authority of the first beast. (Rev. 13: 12)