The cycle of abuse

[bbyrd009]

The dilemma that I face when thinking about people being perfect, in a perfect creation, is that they won't have anything to contrast anything else with.

Waves are better I guess, huh

 

[JellyJam]

You've made a glaring mistake all along. You reject Jesus teachings because men who claim to follow Him are blatant hypocrites.

The point of all His teachings is to NOT be a hypocrite.

I think you rather think that the main thrust of His teaching is to be perfect in all you do. But the main thrust is to be truthful.

When the second man praying went away justified, how do you think that is possible? The man had just admitted the truth that he was a monster (to use your word). How is it that he walked away approved of by God...? And how did the first man NOT walk away with Gods approval?

So is the point to never be a hypocrite?

That's your rules not mine, you just expect everyone to live up to the quintessential goodness you believe in.

Which makes you monster number 1.

 

[tzcho2]

Oh yeah, and those books she cranks out by the truck load. How many books and CDs does she need to invent? I think she even has the Joycey translation or something. Come on guys, we have to stop her now. Before she starts slapping people over and singing off key like Benny Hinn.

Ya, I never was a fan. Joyce Meiers has a lot of fans that are people who are not anchored in sound doctrine, & have itching ears like Hinn's audiences.

 

[JellyJam]

Ya, I have a better def of "perfect" now, at least imo, that does not involve perfectionism. Mistakes, missing the mark, these are just steps on the way to learning how to not miss the mark imo. What exactly will be me in heaven, hmm, the kingdom of heaven is within, No one has ever gone up to heaven, There is only One Immortal, This mortal must "put on" immortality, You and your sons will be here with me, is my reply there I guess. In English though, my theory right now is that we construct our egos all by ourselves, and it is the ego that must die? Supposedly this is what happens at baptism even, when we go down into the water?

Don't be quizzing most Christians about that ritual though, unless you want a bunch of crickets for a response ok :)

Okay I won't do that.

 

[bbyrd009]

Despite the discomfort it caused you to hear that you were more honest than your friends, it is nevertheless the truth. You believed it enough TO take it to its end. They however, left, shaking their heads and saying, oh man, he takes everything too far, he REALLY believes this crap...

Ha. Well, these were some quite thoughtful ppl, I liken them to Aspen for some reason, that kind of temperament. Nihilism often engenders Hedonism--as I guess Solomon found--but these had already been there done that, weren't hedonists. Had what by most accounts would be considered a Great Life, too, one especially really puzzles me to this day. Beautiful kids, sweet wife, good job, etc

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Well are you?

I don't know. What does showing someone love look like? But to answer that you'll have to at least temporarily set aside the nihilism, because if you say its impossible to know that Hitler killing millions of people was evil or good, then you have no platform to begin to construct what you think or imagine showing love to someone looks like.

In other words, if you can't determine a thing is good or bad, what would even be the purpose of grappling with what love really is?

 

[JellyJam]

Ya, I never was a fan. Joyce Meiers has a lot of fans that are people who are not anchored in sound doctrine, & have itching ears like Hinn's audiences.

I was a fan for a while, but I eventually had enough of the TV evangelist.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

That's your rules not mine, you just expect everyone to live up to the quintessential goodness you believe in.

Which makes you monster number 1.

Have I ragged on you at any point for not being good...?

 

[JellyJam]

I don't know. What does showing someone love look like? But to answer that you'll have to at least temporarily set aside the nihilism, because if you say its impossible to know that Hitler killing millions of people was evil or good, then you have no platform to begin to construct what you think or imagine showing love to someone looks like.

In other words, if you can't determine a thing is good or bad, what would even be the purpose of grappling with what love really is?

I didn't come up with that opinion myself, your creator did, and it's the only thing I accept out of the whole bible.

 

[bbyrd009]

And don't forget the holy spirit now, that's the most important piece.

You can't leave home without that, or go home ever if you lose it.

Um. I don't approach Holy Spirit with ppl now until they acknowledge what "spirit" means, so that we might get away from any anthropo...personification of the Spirit. Imo HS was introduced to keep the theme of "2 and 3," and to hide wisdom, HS IS oops just God, after all? Ha, just IS I guess, too. Not like "separate" from God at all though imo.

We acknowledge the spirits that others create many kinds of ways, we "take the temperature" of a room, we say that someone "sucks all the air out" of a room, etc, we say "wet blanket," many other markers for spirit. What we seem to rarely do imo is recognize our own power to manifest spirits?
Go tell your kids you're going to Disneyland tomorrow though, and report the reaction, imo :)

 

[bbyrd009]

Its the two men praying.

Sorry, what is? What does "Its" stand for there, I missed that sorry

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I didn't come up with that opinion myself, your creator did, and it's the only thing I accept out of the whole bible.

I'm not following you here. Can you expound?

 

[bbyrd009]

Ya, I never was a fan. Joyce Meiers has a lot of fans that are people who are not anchored in sound doctrine, & have itching ears like Hinn's audiences.

Gotta say I still learned stuff from her though

 

[bbyrd009]

Okay I won't do that.

Lol. Go head, do it!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Sorry, what is? What does "Its" stand for there, I missed that sorry

It was in response to JJ saying its better to know you're a monster than to think you aren't one when you really are.

So I said, that's the 2 men praying.

The first one basically thanked God he wasn't a monster. God didn't approve of him. The second one admitted he was a monster. God approved of him.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

So strange as it sounds to the religious mindset, it is truthfulness that God wants and approves of, not perfection of behavior.

 

[JellyJam]

Have I ragged on you at any point for not being good...?

It doesn't work that way. You formulate concepts about goodness from the bible, from there you should be tuning your behaviour to fit those standard's

But do you want me to do the same thing, I think you do.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I'm not following you here. Can you expound?

Oh wait, I just understood you. You were saying you agreed with Paul's definition of love passage?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

It doesn't work that way. You formulate concepts about goodness from the bible, from there you should be tuning your behaviour to fit those standard's

But do you want me to do the same thing, I think you do.

Why should I be tuning my behavior? Because you say so? I concentrate mostly on not being a hypocrite and on admitting I am one when I see the ways I've been a hypocrite.

 

[JellyJam]

I'm not following you here. Can you expound?

Like I said, I didn't invent the idea there is simply no good or evil (Other that it being a mind set) I ripped that out of Genesis. Although I've yet to meet one Christian who can grapple with the paradox.