The cycle of abuse

[Taken]

What Joyce Meyer's father did to her as a child

Joyce speaking of her dad, IS her testimony of her own experience, as she relates MANY examples of her own experiences...
(Gee, come to think of it....Paul did the same thing!)

is pale in comparison to what her teaching does to people today.

WHAT her teaching does to people....hummm.

She has millions of mind's in her hands, young and old alike.

Okay, she has people tuning in to hear her.
Not earthshattering.

The way I see it, is that she is up on the pulpit claiming she talks on the behalf of the Almighty God.

Servants of God, are called to SPEAK on behalf of God.
Not earthshattering.

She's a true blue believer,

Okay, Her testimony about herself.
Do you testify of your own beliefs?
Not earthshattering.

and she's gonna get your mind set straight with God.

Uh, a Teacher can only INFLUENCE you...
The Student has to DECIDE what to believe.

How is she not abusing people with her theology, that's what I wonder.

I WONDER, what is your GRIPE about her "THEOLOGY", since you FAILED to mention ANY THEOLOGY she teaches, that CONFLICTS with Scripture.

I used to watch her religiously (You know what I mean) but after some time she ended up like a snake oil salesmen.

Your opening post is simply critical bashing, without identifying ANYTHING she is teaching in conflict with Scripture.

So? Get on with "A POINT".
What is "her" SNAKE OIL THEOLOGY, that you are FAILING to identify? Identify it.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[stunnedbygrace]

It's a fact, because it's observable.

You have no idea what of come out of since I left my belief in Jesus behind. Thing's that would make your skin crawl, and your blood boil.

Concerning your first sentence, I don't think I can let you get away with it. And yet, we've already been over your idea that no one can know if what Hitler did was right or wrong, good or evil. So I'm not sure we won't just be going in circles...but yet, I still can't let you get away with it unchallenged.

Observable facts have a limit and that limit is your own personal IQ. Some men, by observation, once said the earth was flat. They observed it and stated it as fact. To them, it was proof the bible is wrong ,since the bible states the world is round, while it was clearly observable fact to them (by looking at water on the horizon) that it's flat.

I don't think you personally have the IQ needed to attempt what you are attempting here.

But you have to let a man shop around.

 

[JellyJam]

Concerning your first sentence, I don't think I can let you get away with it. And yet, we've already been over your idea that no one can know if what Hitler did was right or wrong, good or evil. So I'm not sure we won't just be going in circles...but yet, I still can't let you get away with it unchallenged.

Observable facts have a limit and that limit is your own personal IQ. Some men, by observation, once said the earth was flat. They observed it and stated it as fact. To them, it was proof the bible is wrong ,since the bible states the world is round, while it was clearly observable fact to them (by looking at water on the horizon) that it's flat.

I don't think you personally have the IQ needed to attempt what you are attempting here.

But you have to let a man shop around.

A man who's lost everything, soon realises that he has nothing left to lose.

I doubt that anyone has yet to notice, that it does not bother me in the slightest if all my current idea's are wrong. That's because I know one day that I'll even have to leave them behind.

Have fun taking your brains to heaven with you.

 

[bbyrd009]

Ya. My beliefs about the past or the future amount to a pimple on my forehead that I hope to get cleared up real soon lol. They are what keeps me from seeing the real possibilities?

Just accept that people like her shouldn't have a platform to milk the system of God. It's okay if you see that is true, you know in day's of old God would have her put down.

I agree with most of what you say, and agreement here seems easy, but I have to disagree. Fwiw. Which might be nothing. But imo her platform is obv The World, and I don't think God would have literally put her down OT either...might lose that arg though, dunno

 

[bbyrd009]

It's a fact, because it's observable.

You have no idea what of come out of since I left my belief in Jesus behind. Thing's that would make your skin crawl, and your blood boil.

God def does not appear to have our morality, huh. Oh, sorry;
reality def does not seem to have our morals, truth does not, something like that

 

[JellyJam]

Ya. My beliefs about the past or the future amount to a pimple on my forehead that I hope to get cleared up real soon lol. They are what keeps me from seeing the real possibilities?

I agree with most of what you say, and agreement here seems easy, but I have to disagree. Fwiw. Which might be nothing. But imo her platform is obv The World, and I don't think God would have literally put her down OT either...might lose that arg though, dunno

I thought false teachers & prophets got put down. What do you do in New Testament days with false teachers & prophets? Send them angry e-mails.

Bring back the Old testament wrath of God, you he's the same today, tomorrow, and yesterday.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

im still trying to determine if you really can't see your own fractures. You seem to not see them, which is why I come to the conclusion that you are lazy with your mind.

As for this last post of yours - days ago, you are the one who said Christians are not capable of reason. But now you have taken the nihilism you are test driving and determined that reason must now be switched off too.

You should keep going. You will have to see for yourself what you wind up with when you turn everything off one by one.

Once you find yourself sitting alone in the dark, you will go back and check your work more carefully.

 

[bbyrd009]

no one can know if what Hitler did was right or wrong, good or evil.

Imo we judge that way, but God does not, I don't think. I would consider that Hitler was manifested, and even duly elected, by the will of the nation country? And I don't think God will stop you from manifesting anything you can, and want to manifest!

 

[JellyJam]

God def does not appear to have our morality, huh. Oh, sorry;
reality def does not seem to have our morals, truth does not, something like that

Something like that, yes.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I thought false teachers & prophets got put down. What do you do in New Testament days with false teachers & prophets? Send them angry e-mails.

Bring back the Old testament wrath of God, you he's the same today, tomorrow, and yesterday.

It has never been the case that false teachers and prophets get put down. The reverse is always true. The false teachers and prophets come to outnumber the real ones and then they put down the real ones.

 

[JellyJam]

im still trying to determine if you really can't see your own fractures. You seem to not see them, which is why I come to the conclusion that you are lazy with your mind.

As for this last post of yours - days ago, you are the one who said Christians are not capable of reason. But now you have taken the nihilism you are test driving and determined that reason must now be switched off too.

You should keep going. You will have to see for yourself what you wind up with when you turn everything off one by one.

Once you find yourself sitting alone in the dark, you will go back and check your work more carefully.

Why so glum? Does everything have to be so black & white with you?

Go and smell some flowers will you.

 

[JellyJam]

It has never been the case that false teachers and prophets get put down. The reverse is always true.

Okay, you must be reading the SBG translation.

 

[bbyrd009]

I thought false teachers & prophets got put down. What do you do in New Testament days with false teachers & prophets? Send them angry e-mails.

Bring back the Old testament wrath of God, you he's the same today, tomorrow, and yesterday.

Well, the OT culminates in the entire nation being put down, and we can read about "prophets gone a whoring not put down, but real prophets killed, OT? So maybe tha walk didn't match the talk or something, I'd have to ask you for some examples of evil prophets being put down I guess, we could go from there. Not sure if your "bring back" is TIC or not, so better not comment yet I guess :)

 

[bbyrd009]

im still trying to determine if you really can't see your own fractures. You seem to not see them, which is why I come to the conclusion that you are lazy with your mind.

As for this last post of yours - days ago, you are the one who said Christians are not capable of reason. But now you have taken the nihilism you are test driving and determined that reason must now be switched off too.

You should keep going. You will have to see for yourself what you wind up with when you turn everything off one by one.

Once you find yourself sitting alone in the dark, you will go back and check your work more carefully.

I have to agree with the Nihilism comment, I was there sitting in the dark. With a gun in my hand. Lost several--well 3 for sure--nihilist friends that way, I had to change or die obv

That is when I took another step toward God, when I was completely drained and out of valid premises; I knew Death More Abundantly was a lie, but hadn't found Nehushtan yet

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Imo we judge that way, but God does not, I don't think. I would consider that Hitler was manifested, and even duly elected, by the will of the nation country? And I don't think God will stop you from manifesting anything you can, and want to manifest!

The will of men does not set kings on their throne and does not remove kings from their throne. It may appear that way, but it is God who puts kings on thrones and removes them.

 

[JellyJam]

Well, the OT culminates in the entire nation being put down, and we can read about "prophets gone a whoring not put down, but real prophets killed, OT? So maybe tha walk didn't match the talk or something, I'd have to ask you for some examples of evil prophets being put down I guess, we could go from there. Not sure if your "bring back" is TIC or not, so better not comment yet I guess :)

Yep great idea, leave that for a rainy day.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Okay, you must be reading the SBG translation.

You must not be reading any translation...

 

[bbyrd009]

The will of men does not set kings on their throne and does not remove kings from their throne. It may appear that way, but it is God who puts kings on thrones and removes them.

Not disagreeing, but my current theory there is that God picks the leader that best reps the will of the people? But I would be open to hearing why you think God might have ordained Hitler, too, why, do you think?

 

[JellyJam]

I am not a nihilist. Your brain simply can't go to heaven with you, that means your beliefs will die with you as well.

 

[bbyrd009]

You must not be reading any translation...

Boy, I cannot recommend this path strongly enough. If you are reading an English translation without any other help you are in big trouble imo. If one is lazy, we have Lex, and for more intensive stuff/ppl we have Interlinear, why trust scribes?