The Crucified Flesh

[Ritajanice]

How do you exegete this? Sinless perfectionism?

If I may answer.

Behold, posted this on his thread....

Are you saying our sins are forgiven, past, present and future...just to be clear.?

Jesus is the "one time ETERNAL Sacrifice for SIN"

"God hath made JESUS to BE SIN for us"..

When?

2000 yrs ago On The Cross.

Are you born again?
Then you have God's Righteousness and Jesus has your sin.

Welcome To : Salvation.

Its a "Gift".

 

[Keturah]

Galatians 2:20 KJV​

“I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth IN ME: and the life which I now live in the flesh I LIVE BY THE FAITH OF THE SON OF GOD, who  loved  me, and gave HIMSELF for me.”

And to whosoever will believe, let them come by faith believing in Christ DB & R ; choosing of their own free will to believe that in him we can live a crucified life of obedience by living in the
Spirit !

Do not  reject the  truth of God's word nor resist his Spirit but rather draw near unto him, & he will draw near unto us as we submit ourselves unto his will for our lives!

 

[Johann]

Behold, posted this on his thread....

What is the doctrine of sanctification-instant sinlessness?

 

[Ritajanice]

What is the doctrine of sanctification-instant sinlessness?

As I explained in scripture....we have the righteousness of Christ.

Romans 3:21-26

New International Version
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Righteousness Through Faith​

21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.22 This righteousness is given through faith in[a] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[b] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

 

[Johann]

As I explained in scripture....we have the righteousness of Christ.

I fully concur-we have the righteousness of God in Christ

Mat_6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Rom_1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Rom_3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)

Rom_3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Rom_3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Rom_3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Rom_4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Rom_6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Rom_10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Rom_14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

1Co_1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

1Co_15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

2Co_5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

2Co_6:7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,

Gal_2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Gal_3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Php_1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Php_3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

1Ti_6:11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

 

[amigo de christo]

As always-a huge inspiration to me, I don't put you on a pedestal, we are co-workers and the opposition is strong, vehemently so.

Remain steadfast and rooted in Christ Jesus brother--the Wesleyans are upon us!!

Oh i know you dont put me on a pedestal . IF ya did i would have to rebuke you .
WE WORSHIP GOD , HIS CHRIST . Though jim b and others see me as judgmental
or even a devil . IT aint gonna slow down my warnings against false doctrine and false leaders .
Jim is not the first to come against me and he wont be the last . Things will get only worse
as more and more fall under this delusion . This delusion of a love that wont correct sin
this delusion of a love that even says muslims worship the same GOD we do and that all other religoins do too .
I cannot point to me , to man , BUT I SURE CAN POINT TO CHRIST AND BIBLE DOCTRINE .
All i can do is what i am bid to do . The TRUTH shall be spoken , typed , lived and exalted .
He who has ears will hear and he who does not wont . There is nothing i can do about that either .
Sure i wish everyone would hear . But i sure cannot make them . THERE is nothing i can do
but preach the truth , point to CHRIST and HIM crucified . To all reminders in that bible .

 

[Lizbeth]

Are you a disciple of "amigo de christo"? Apparently both of you have forgotten the clear instructions given by Jesus Christ (both from the Old Testament)...

1) Love God with all you heart, soul, mind, and strength
2) Love your neighbor as yourself

Notice that the first word of each is love. Not judgement, not hate, not condemnation.

Don't you both underestimate the sneaky subtlety of the devil who is always seeking who he may devour! There are indeed Christians being sucked into his vortex every day now. Flee into righteousness and love, not judgement of others. "For God so LOVED THE WORLD..."

I'm only a disciple of Christ, at least I try to be. I guess I will never get why some people equate the word of God to condemnation....is it because some of it is hard to hear?....or which part of His word do you think should be held back? We need to be under the sway of HIS Spirit and HIS word, not the spirit and ways of the world, which these days manifests as political correctness and is of the devil.

Jhn 12:47-48

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Too often we only quote part of a passage, the parts that are easy, and ignore the rest of what it says. Is the passage above too hard brother....should we suppress it because it may make some people a bit uncomfortable? Are we supposed to pander to the flesh? Did Jesus pander to the flesh who spoke those words?

 

[amigo de christo]

As always-a huge inspiration to me, I don't put you on a pedestal, we are co-workers and the opposition is strong, vehemently so.

Remain steadfast and rooted in Christ Jesus brother--the Wesleyans are upon us!!

Oh i nearly forgot to ask . What are wesleyans .

 

[Johann]

Galatians 2:20 KJV​

“I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth IN ME: and the life which I now live in the flesh I LIVE BY THE FAITH OF THE SON OF GOD, who  loved  me, and gave HIMSELF for me.”

And to whosoever will believe, let them come by faith believing in Christ DB & R ; choosing of their own free will to believe that in him we can live a crucified life of obedience by living in the
Spirit !

Do not  reject the  truth of God's word nor resist his Spirit but rather draw near unto him, & he will draw near unto us as we submit ourselves unto his will for our lives!

Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.


Paul here quotes Joe_3:5 (Joe_2:32, lxx).


whosoever: Joe_2:32; Act_2:21

ΠᾶςG3956|A-NSM|Whoever

I am sure glad for Pas-Whoever/whomsoever-

 

[Jim B]

Oh i know you dont put me on a pedestal . IF ya did i would have to rebuke you .
WE WORSHIP GOD , HIS CHRIST . Though jim b and others see me as judgmental
or even a devil . IT aint gonna slow down my warnings against false doctrine and false leaders .
Jim is not the first to come against me and he wont be the last . Things will get only worse
as more and more fall under this delusion . This delusion of a love that wont correct sin
this delusion of a love that even says muslims worship the same GOD we do and that all other religoins do too .
I cannot point to me , to man , BUT I SURE CAN POINT TO CHRIST AND BIBLE DOCTRINE .
All i can do is what i am bid to do . The TRUTH shall be spoken , typed , lived and exalted .
He who has ears will hear and he who does not wont . There is nothing i can do about that either .
Sure i wish everyone would hear . But i sure cannot make them . THERE is nothing i can do
but preach the truth , point to CHRIST and HIM crucified . To all reminders in that bible .

YAWN!!!

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm only a disciple of Christ, at least I try to be. I guess I will never get why some people equate the word of God to condemnation....is it because some of it is hard to hear?....or which part of His word do you think should be held back? We need to be under the sway of HIS Spirit and HIS word, not the spirit and ways of the world, which these days manifests as political correctness and is of the devil.

Jhn 12:47-48

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Too often we only quote part of a passage, the parts that are easy, and ignore the rest of what it says. Is the passage above too hard brother....should we suppress it because it may make some people a bit uncomfortable? Are we supposed to pander to the flesh? Did Jesus pander to the flesh who spoke those words?

Sorry sister , but i gotta say this to JIM B . SHE AINT MY DESCIPLE . We are CHRISTS desciples .
I am but a man jim . just a man . Dont put me on no pedastool and STOP TRYING TO LIE JIM .

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm only a disciple of Christ, at least I try to be. I guess I will never get why some people equate the word of God to condemnation....is it because some of it is hard to hear?....or which part of His word do you think should be held back? We need to be under the sway of HIS Spirit and HIS word, not the spirit and ways of the world, which these days manifests as political correctness and is of the devil.

Jhn 12:47-48

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Too often we only quote part of a passage, the parts that are easy, and ignore the rest of what it says. Is the passage above too hard brother....should we suppress it because it may make some people a bit uncomfortable? Are we supposed to pander to the flesh? Did Jesus pander to the flesh who spoke those words?

Allow me to answer your question . The reason SOME folks equate the WORD of GOD to condemnation
Is cause to them it is . IT speaks against something they love and embrace and do not want to let GO OF .
Thus they will sit under teachers who TWIST the WORD to suit it to their own pleasures and lusts .
To a lamb EVERY WORD OF GOD IS GOOD HOLY RIGHTEOUS AND TRUE . They see ALL his warnings
as ONLY GOOD FOR THE SOUL , THEY SEE HIS EVERY WORD as only GOOD FOR THE SOUL . but
those who love darkness will always sit under darkness and do all they can to believe the light the darkness is portraying to be light
IS LIGHT . WHEN NOPE its darkness .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Allow me to answer your question . The reason SOME folks equate the WORD of GOD to condemnation
Is cause to them it is . IT speaks against something they love and embrace and do not want to let GO OF .
Thus they will sit under teachers who TWIST the WORD to suit it to their own pleasures and lusts .
To a lamb EVERY WORD OF GOD IS GOOD HOLY RIGHTEOUS AND TRUE . They see ALL his warnings
as ONLY GOOD FOR THE SOUL , THEY SEE HIS EVERY WORD as only GOOD FOR THE SOUL . but
those who love darkness will always sit under darkness and do all they can to believe the light the darkness is portraying to be light
IS LIGHT . WHEN NOPE its darkness .

 

[Johann]

Oh i nearly forgot to ask . What are wesleyans .

Do a Google search brother.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Many wont preach the LOVE of GOD .
For GOD so loved , LOVED , the WORLD that HE SENT His only begotten son
that all who do BELIEVE would not PERISH but have everlasting life . Too many try and air condition hell instead
and say things like a loving GOD would not do that .
RATHER , i say , PREACH THE LOVE OF GOD that does SAVE the one who does believe .
They act as though the biblical version of GOD dont love cause of a place called the lake of fire .
BUT I SAY , OH YES HE DOES LOVE , ITS WHY HE SENT CHRIST . NOW BELIEVE YE IN HIM .
They omit the severity of GOD and wont even preach HIS GOODNESS . they give a false illusion of what love is and GOD is .
But again i say , GOD DOES LOVE , HE SENT THE SON , the SON SUFFERED MASSIVE , NOW BELIEVE AND RECIEVE .

 

[Jim B]

I'm only a disciple of Christ, at least I try to be. I guess I will never get why some people equate the word of God to condemnation....is it because some of it is hard to hear?....or which part of His word do you think should be held back? We need to be under the sway of HIS Spirit and HIS word, not the spirit and ways of the world, which these days manifests as political correctness and is of the devil.

Jhn 12:47-48

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Too often we only quote part of a passage, the parts that are easy, and ignore the rest of what it says. Is the passage above too hard brother....should we suppress it because it may make some people a bit uncomfortable? Are we supposed to pander to the flesh? Did Jesus pander to the flesh who spoke those words?

I will never get why you and "amigo" equate the word of God to condemnation. God is love.

Ephesians 2:3-5, "All of us once lived among them in the passions of our flesh, doing the will of flesh and senses, and we were by nature children of wrath, like everyone else, but God, who is rich in mercy, out of the great love with which he loved us even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved.

Colossians 2:2, "I want their hearts to be encouraged and united in love, so that they may have all the riches of assured understanding and have the knowledge of God’s mystery, that is, Christ"

2 Thessalonians 1:3, "We must always give thanks to God for you, brothers and sisters, as is right, because your faith is growing abundantly and the love of every one of you for one another is increasing."

1 John 3:10, "The children of God and the children of the devil are revealed in this way: all who do not do what is right are not from God, nor are those who do not love a brother or sister."

1 John 4:7-8, "Beloved, let us love one another, because love is from God; everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, for God is love."

1 John 4:12, "No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us, and his love is perfected in us."

1 John 4:16, "So we have known and believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and those who abide in love abide in God, and God abides in them."

1 John 4:21, "The commandment we have from him is this: those who love God must love their brothers and sisters also."

I do not see the judgement and condemnation that you and "amigo" spout in any of your posts! You freely accuse your brothers and sisters in Christ, which is the exact opposite of the above verses.

 

[Marvelloustime]

GODS call is this . LET WHO SO EVER WILL COME AND DRINK of the waters of life .
The simplicity of it all , is that GOD Desires not the death of the wicked but rather they would repent .
And HE SAYS THIS often . WHY will you die . This is all over the scriptures as well as the letters of the apostels .
AS well as the good example given us by CHRIST as HE WEPT over JERUSALEM
saying HOW OFTEN would I HAVE GATHERED YOU , ONLY YOU , that is right , YOU WOULD NOT .

 

[Jim B]

Sorry sister , but i gotta say this to JIM B . SHE AINT MY DESCIPLE . We are CHRISTS desciples .
I am but a man jim . just a man . Dont put me on no pedastool and STOP TRYING TO LIE JIM .

Pedastool! I got a good laugh out of that one!!!

And what is a "desciple"???

 

[Marvelloustime]

He was crucified for our sins and raised again for our justification that we would walk in rigtheousness by the power of the SPIRIT .
If ya jesus is holding rainbows , big on pro nouns , claiming muslims and others follow GOD or know GOD . IT AINT JESUS .
IF we want to know the JESUS we follow IS THE TRUE JESUS CHRIST , i suggest we DELVE DEEP into the gospels .
IF we want to know if our leaders truly follow the pattern the apostels set and taught , I SUGGEST WE DELVE DEEP INTO THEIR LETTERS .
cause men are DECIEVING US . Wolves in sheeps clothing have infiltrated many houses and many churches .

 

[Jim B]

He was crucified for our sins and raised again for our justification that we would walk in rigtheousness by the power of the SPIRIT .
If ya jesus is holding rainbows , big on pro nouns , claiming muslims and others follow GOD or know GOD . IT AINT JESUS .
IF we want to know the JESUS we follow IS THE TRUE JESUS CHRIST , i suggest we DELVE DEEP into the gospels .
IF we want to know if our leaders truly follow the pattern the apostels set and taught , I SUGGEST WE DELVE DEEP INTO THEIR LETTERS .
cause men are DECIEVING US . Wolves in sheeps clothing have infiltrated many houses and many churches .

I think that Jesus can manage His own flock without your help! Do you think that Jesus is not sovereign or do you think that He is powerless?