The Crucified Flesh

[Marvelloustime]

Then believe this too . for peter wrote it . Beware the error of the wicked
lest ye fall from your own steadfastness . THERE IS A GO SPELL FROM HELL getting preached big TIME .
IT wont point to BELEIVE IN JESUS CHRIST . rather it points to finding common ground and that all paths , all religions
lead to GOD . The ELECT wont BUY THAT LIE .

 

[Ritajanice]

Allow me to rephrase-after being "birthed" no need for yielding obedience to the Imperatives of Christ?

Can you explain in your own words, what you are trying to say, by posting that scripture....it’s not making any sense to me, many thanks.

What God commands us to do....we are to do it...as in the obedience to the word of God....it may take time though, as trust and faith will come into it.

 

[Johann]

Can you explain in your own words, what you are trying to say, by posting that scripture....it’s not making any sense to me, many thanks.

Is James and Matt 25 a problematic issue-hard to understand?

 

[Ritajanice]

Is James and Matt 25 a problematic issue-hard to understand?

I don’t understand what you are trying to say with this scripture...that’s why I asked you to interpret what it’s saying?....in your own words.

What do you believe it to be saying?

 

[Ritajanice]

That's it?

Romans 61What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?2By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?3Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.5 If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection.6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, [1] that we should no longer be slaves to sin--7 because anyone who has died has been freed from sin.8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him.10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.13 Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness.14 For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted.18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.19 I put this in human terms because you are weak in your natural selves. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness.20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness.21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death!22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in [2] Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Marvelloustime]

muslims claim to believe in and follow MOSES , and the GOD of torah .
The jews claimed to believe on moses and the GOD of torah .
BUT JESUS TOLD THEM . HAD YOU REALLY BELIEVED MOSES you would have BELIEVED ME .
IF YOU TRULY LOVED GOD you WOULD HAVE LOVED ME .
Muslims follow satan as does any other religoin who follows NOT CHRIST . PEROID .

 

[Ritajanice]

That's it? No need for yielding obedience to the Imperatives as written in Scriptures?
Noticed you didn't read the post as to what a believer must do.

Romans 61What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?2By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?3Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.5 If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection.6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, [1] that we should no longer be slaves to sin--7 because anyone who has died has been freed from sin.8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him.10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.13 Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness.14 For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted.18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.19 I put this in human terms because you are weak in your natural selves. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness.20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness.21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death!22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in [2] Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Johann]

Romans 61What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?2By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?3Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.5 If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection.6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, [1] that we should no longer be slaves to sin--7 because anyone who has died has been freed from sin.8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him.10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.13 Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness.14 For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted.18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.19 I put this in human terms because you are weak in your natural selves. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness.20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness.21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death!22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in [2] Christ Jesus our Lord.

Now can you exegete this passage?
Does it teach sinless perfection?

 

[Marvelloustime]

Now allow me some parting words for all to hear .
And i say this not because you know not the truth .
Beware of the delusion of the wicked . Beware of the error of men went wrong .
Beware of the error of the wicked . Be not a partaker of or in the deluison of the all inclusion .
Keep the hope in Christ , keep the message the same as did the apostles .
Who went not about the world to bring world peace and find common ground . They preached JESUS CHRIST
as the absolute and only means whereby a soul could be saved . KEEP the HOPE in the original gospel and do so unto the end .
For we are made partakers of Christ IF we hold our confidence , IN HIM , firm to the END .
Be not as the oprahs and the popes and many others . For oprah has preached a lie unto the masses and so have many others .
SHE Claims by mouth to be christain , she claims by mouth to believe in Christ and yet hollers
ITS NOT NECESSARY to BELIEVE ON CHRIST . as do many others , WHO DO NOT KNOW HIM .
THEY do NOT KNOW HIM . Paul KNEW CHRIST . WHEN he had the TRUE CONVERSION
Paul went about preaching JESUS CHRIST , not common ground , not finding unity with other religoins
not telling folks they had no need to BELIEVE ON CHRIST . THIS IS THE DEVILS GO SPELL FROM HELL .
And may it be a ice cold day in the lake that burns with fire before i say otherwise .
Many holler and call me judgmental . Saying i do not love my neighbor or the brethren .
BUT I DO LOVE THEM , ITS WHY I EXPOSE THE LIE that cannot save them .
If folks recieve not your testimony , JESUS DIDNT say OH WELL it dont matter if they believe not , just find common ground .
HE said shake the dust off your feet AS a testimony against them . IT WILL BE FAR BETTER for even sodom and gomorrah
than for them . YET i am known as the hater and accuser of the brethren FOR DOING what , FOR POINTING ONLY TO CHRIST JESUS .
That outta telll you something right there .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Read down farther in the same letter and it makes it very clear what it means .
IF WE TURN away FROM FAITH IN CHRIST , and are overcome , die in that sin of unbelief , THERE WILL BE NO MORE sacrifice for sins .
THEY DONE TROD JESUS UNDER FOOT . The key is BELIEVE YE IN HIM whom GOD DID SEND
HOLD the FAITH IN HIM FIRM , the HOPE IN HIM FIRM , to the end . We need to always be stirrred up
and stirring one another up with those pure reminders . GOD works through the believers to KEEP them safe .
Thus we ought to use those same reminders and warnings and promises to keep one another stirred up .

 

[Ritajanice]

Now can you exegete this passage?
Does it teach sinless perfection?

It’s pretty self explanatory, ..what is the scripture saying to you?

 

[Marvelloustime]

Any who continues not were not truly of us . For had they been of us they no doubt would have continued .
Let us always use all reminders in the bible as well .
Reminding lambs they must continue in the faith is a GOOD thing and its needful to be said .
But if any comes out , the truth is they were never truly of us .
They might have tasted , might have endured for a bit , might even think they know HIM too . That is the scary part .
When i say scary i mean for those who were given over to beleive a lie , another jesus , a jesus that served their sin .
Hearts are hardened through the decietfulness of sin . Paul knew that , GOD KNOWS IT .
Thus its why i say let us use EVERY warning , every reminder of those holy and prescious GOD inspired words .
Sometimes folks omit warnings . We ought not to do that .
I know if one comes out they were never truly of us . I also know that lambs WILL USE every reminder to protect
and build up the church . There is a good reason why those apostles left warnings and reminders .
That is the problem i have with some in the OSAS camp . THEY omit those warnings
and then act like if i bring them to our reminder , somehow i dont trust in Christ . WELL , HE SAID IT TO HIS OWN FIRST .
Thus if HE said YE must continue in HIM , I SAY ye must continue in HIM . But yes , I KNOW
that if folks come out from amongst us , THEY were never TRULY OF US . I do know that . Our HOPE
is in THE LORD . HE has the lambs . Our sufficiency is OF GOD and not ourselves . We can do nothing WITHOUT HIM .
Well when i say nothing there is one thing we can do without HIM , FAIL and PERISH . ITS HE ALONE WE OWE ALL TOO .
And we were saved not by our own works or merits but by GRACE . it is THE GIFT OF GOD .
NOW LET ALL that has breath hurry and come running to CHRIST , for why will the wicked perish
when they could have eternal life in CHRIST . Be a new changed creature created unto GOOD WORKS IN CHRIST .

 

[Johann]

It’s pretty self explanatory, ..what is the scripture saying to you?

Did Paul claim he was sinless?

 

[Ritajanice]

Now can you exegete this passage?
Does it teach sinless perfection?

Christianity .org..sum it up much better than I.

Chapter Contents​

Believers must die to sin, and live to God. (1,2) This is urged by their Christian baptism and union with Christ. (3-10) They are made alive to God. (11-15) And are freed from the dominion of sin. (16-20) The end of sin is death, and of holiness everlasting life. (21-23)

Commentary on Romans 6:1-2​

(Read Romans 6:1-2)

The apostle is very full in pressing the necessity of holiness. He does not explain away the free grace of the gospel, but he shows that connexion between justification and holiness are inseparable. Let the thought be abhorred, of continuing in sin that grace may abound. True believers are dead to sin, therefore they ought not to follow it. No man can at the same time be both dead and alive. He is a fool who, desiring to be dead unto sin, thinks he may live in it.

Commentary on Romans 6:3-10​

(Read Romans 6:3-10)

Baptism teaches the necessity of dying to sin, and being as it were buried from all ungodly and unholy pursuits, and of rising to walk with God in newness of life. Unholy professors may have had the outward sign of a death unto sin, and a new birth unto righteousness, but they never passed from the family of Satan to that of God. The corrupt nature, called the old man, because derived from our first father Adam, is crucified with Christ, in every true believer, by the grace derived from the cross. It is weakened and in a dying state, though it yet struggles for life, and even for victory. But the whole body of sin, whatever is not according to the holy law of God, must be done away, so that the believer may no more be the slave of sin, but live to God, and find happiness in his service.

Commentary on Romans 6:11-15​

(Read Romans 6:11-15)

The strongest motives against sin, and to enforce holiness, are here stated. Being made free from the reign of sin, alive unto God, and having the prospect of eternal life, it becomes believers to be greatly concerned to advance thereto. But, as unholy lusts are not quite rooted out in this life, it must be the care of the Christian to resist their motions, earnestly striving, that, through Divine grace, they may not prevail in this mortal state. Let the thought that this state will soon be at an end, encourage the true Christian, as to the motions of lusts, which so often perplex and distress him. Let us present all our powers to God, as weapons or tools ready for the warfare, and work of righteousness, in his service. There is strength in the covenant of grace for us. Sin shall not have dominion. God's promises to us are more powerful and effectual for mortifying sin, than our promises to God. Sin may struggle in a real believer, and create him a great deal of trouble, but it shall not have dominion; it may vex him, but it shall not rule over him. Shall any take occasion from this encouraging doctrine to allow themselves in the practice of any sin? Far be such abominable thoughts, so contrary to the perfections of God, and the design of his gospel, so opposed to being under grace. What can be a stronger motive against sin than the love of Christ? Shall we sin against so much goodness, and such love?

Commentary on Romans 6:16-20​

(Read Romans 6:16-20)

Every man is the servant of the master to whose commands he yields himself; whether it be the sinful dispositions of his heart, in actions which lead to death, or the new and spiritual obedience implanted by regeneration. The apostle rejoiced now they obeyed from the heart the gospel, into which they were delivered as into a mould. As the same metal becomes a new vessel, when melted and recast in another mould, so the believer has become a new creature. And there is great difference in the liberty of mind and spirit, so opposite to the state of slavery, which the true Christian has in the service of his rightful Lord, whom he is enabled to consider as his Father, and himself as his son and heir, by the adoption of grace. The dominion of sin consists in being willingly slaves thereto, not in being harassed by it as a hated power, struggling for victory. Those who now are the servants of God, once were the slaves of sin.

Commentary on Romans 6:21-23​

(Read Romans 6:21-23)

The pleasure and profit of sin do not deserve to be called fruit. Sinners are but ploughing iniquity, sowing vanity, and reaping the same. Shame came into the world with sin, and is still the certain effect of it. The end of sin is death. Though the way may seem pleasant and inviting, yet it will be bitterness in the latter end. From this condemnation the believer is set at liberty, when made free from sin. If the fruit is unto holiness, if there is an active principle of true and growing grace, the end will be everlasting life; a very happy end! Though the way is up-hill, though it is narrow, thorny, and beset, yet everlasting life at the end of it is sure. The gift of God is eternal life. And this gift is through Jesus Christ our Lord. Christ purchased it, prepared it, prepares us for it, preserves us to it; he is the All in all in our salvation.

 

[Johann]

Sin may struggle in a real believer, and create him a great deal of trouble, but it shall not have dominion; it may vex him, but it shall not rule over him.

See here-from the article? Does Rom 6 teach sinless perfectionism i.e.-unable to commit a sin in word, thought and deed?

John Darby’s Synopsis
The Geneva Study Bible
John Gill’s Exposition of the Bible
Jamieson, Faussett, and Brown
B. W. Johnson’s Bible Commentary
Martin Luther’s Bible Commentary
Matthew Henry Bible Commentary (complete)
Matthew Henry’s Bible Commentary (concise)
Wesley’s Explanatory Notes

On this site a lot of Calvin's commentaries.

 

[Ritajanice]

See here-from the article? Does Rom 6 teach sinless perfectionism i.e.-unable to commit a sin in word, thought and deed?

It’s teaching exactly what I posted,imo/ belief.

Are you able to interpret scripture that you posted, I did ask you to, maybe you missed my post?

 

[Ritajanice]

On this site a lot of Calvin's commentaries.

Many believe the 5 points of TULIP.....I agree with a few.

Do you believe any of his points?

 

[Johann]

It’s teaching exactly what I posted,imo/ belief.

Are you able to interpret scripture that you posted, I did ask you to, maybe you missed my post?

It would appear you are speed reading what you have posted to me-and "missed" the sin-issues-in word, thought and deed.

 

[Johann]

Many believe the 5 points of TULIP.....I agree with a few.

Do you believe any of his points?

None-to be blunt.

 

[Ritajanice]

It would appear you are speed reading what you have posted to me-and "missed" the sin-issues-in word, thought and deed.

Not at all, as I’ve tried to explain, it’s self explanatory,to me anyway.