The Church The Papacy Says You Should Join

[BreadOfLife]

Those who Fall AWAY...."are NOT Saved"..
They....like our Example Judas ....Hear, believe, follow, trust.......THEN STOP....!!!
They receive...MEASURES...of Faith, When they are hearing, believing, following....

And when they STOP hearing, believing, following, trusting....
They STOP receiving Measures of FAITH...
AND are called.....
Having Fallen FROM Faith.

Paul is correct. You add an unbiblical option.

REMAIN IN Faith...receiving measures of Faith. REMAIN hearing, believing, following, trusting and your Gift of Faith From God Becomes INCREASED!!!

INCREASED FAITH...prepares a man To ACCEPT The Lords Offering of Salvation!!!

SALVATION is an "OFFERED" GIFT TO EVERYONE....
It is Not a Gift The Lord Forces on ANYONE!
It is already established Salvation Is for everyone....it is Theirs....
For the Accepting/Taking!!!

If a man DOES NOT ACCEPT/Take the Offered Gift of Salvation....DUH...
He loses it!

Not complicated!

If your local Ford dealer notifies you you have been selected to receive a FREE gift of a Ford Truck, and you must go get the truck Before December 25, and YOU don't...guess what...you forfeit your gift...and on Dec 26...It is no longer yours to have....you Lose you Gift!
Precisely because you Never Received your Gift!

The Lord has Offered The Gift of Salvation to All men...
If the DO NOT ACCEPT "THEIR " gift Before they Bodily DIE....DUH...
They have Lost their gift of Salvation!

Scripture does not teach Salvation Is "Given a man" And THEN Taken Away!

And Why a man with Understanding, has NO Problem Saying....

Once a Man IS Saved...it is Forever!
OSAS..

To claim otherwise, is to make a mockery of God ...AS if a man could Fool God...and God give Salvation to a man...
And then take it Back...because God who IS All knowing...was Fooled by a Man who believed, received Salvation, THEN stopped Believing....
Your proposal and Absolute Nonsense!

Glory to God,
Taken

WRONG again, my ignorant and arrogant friend.

The people Paul is writing to are BORN AGAIN believers.
Paul refers to them as "God's holy people" (Rom. 1:7). - yet he WARNS them about falling away and being CUT OFF (Rom. 11:22).

Don't just quote the Bible.
STUDY and LEARN what it means . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Dead Bread, what about those times when two Pedophiles-in-Chief sat on their papal thrones at the same time each claiming to be equal to God and each calling the other a child of the devil? You papists are the LAST ones who should be criticizing the leadership of other churches.

And one of them was discredited. God ALWAYS wins in the end.

In YOUR cult, your founders were all false prophets . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

BreadOfLife, if I may ask you and please don’t take offense, is it ok to pray to the Blessed Mother when we are only suppose to worship the Holy Trinity?

We only pray to Mary or other saints to pray FOR us.
We don't worship them.

When you ask a fellow Christian here on earth to pray for you - you are praying TO them to pray for you.
This is NO DIFFERENT than asking a saint in Heaven to pray for you. "Pray" simply means to "ask".

In fact, "worship" is a secondary - not the PRIMARY definition of "Pray".

 

[Phoneman777]

Hey phoneman,

Well I'll give you this: it's definately one or the other....
But who else can claim to be the Church that the 'gates of hell would not overcome? The Orthodox? The Copts?

If you are not in an apostolic community, then where are you?

They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.

Peace!

The true church against which the gates of hell cannot prevail is described as "they which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony...and the faith of Jesus" - the "remnant" worldwide church that is identical to the one Jesus established, but exists as a global institution alongside the papal Antichrist. There's only one :)

 

[Phoneman777]

And one of them was discredited. God ALWAYS wins in the end.

In YOUR cult, your founders were all false prophets . . .

I've got news for you...any man who claims such blasphemous claims as do your popes about having "one consistory" with God and equal to Him in power, authority, privilege, etc., are worse than false prophets...they are first lieutenants in the army of Lucifer.

 

[Philip James]

the "remnant" worldwide church that is identical to the one Jesus established, but exists as a global institution alongside the papal Antichrist. There's only one

Please trace its history back to the apostles founding for me if you can, and I will consider it...

Peace!

 

[farouk]

Wouldn’t that be like saying Christ is not sufficient, that he can’t handle our needs, that he needs help?

"It is finished" (John 19.30) is such an important truth, right? The truth of the one offering in Hebrews chapters 9 & 10 is so important, right?

 

[amadeus]

Wouldn’t that be like saying Christ is not sufficient, that he can’t handle our needs, that he needs help?

Why is asking Mary to pray for us different than this verse of scripture?

"Brethren, pray for us." I Thess 5:25

Do we not presume that the mother of Jesus still lives... that she was saved and now will never die? Therefore are those who are not with us walking in the flesh on planet Earth unable to hear us?

This forum has a sub-forum named the "Prayer Forum". Why does anyone post there asking others to pray for them?

What about this verse?

"Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:" James 5:14

And this one?

Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." James 5:16

If it was all "finished" on the cross, why would Paul and James have been inspired by God to write these verses?

Then again look at these verses:

"And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go." John 11:43-44

Why when Jesus called him forth from the tomb did he then ask the people to loose him from his graveclothes? It would seem to me that in spite of the gift of God, something is still expected from men. Jesus purposely did not do everything.

 

[Marymog]

Equally, it saddens me, with many who exalt the Church Fathers assume the rest of us are ignorant regarding Church history.

If you knew Christian history you would not have asked me those easy peasy lemon squeezy questions......;)

 

[Marymog]

Oh, that history. I'm equally educated about those as you are equally assumptive about me.
Get back with you? Why?

CLEARLY you don't know your own Christian history otherwise you wouldn't have asked such simple, elementary questions.

 

[Marymog]

Getting back to my original 'unanswered' question...which part of our text, do they contradict? An example will suffice.

You pretend you know your Christian history but with that question you clearly don't.....;)

 

[Marymog]

No, I don't condemn them at all. Who am I to judge which catholics know they're worshiping Lucifer and which are following what they believe is God's legit system? Therefore, I condemn them not, but their beliefs are straight outta the mind of Satan.

Sooooo let me see if I got this right: You don't condemn the individual Catholic who follow beliefs that "are straight outta the mind of Satan" but you do condemn the Catholics that are part of the hierarchy such as the priest, a nun, bishops, cardinals and the Pope?

Soooo when a individual Catholic person becomes a priest or nun THEN they are following " beliefs are straight outta the mind of Satan" but before that they are ok with you?????? Even though their beliefs haven't changed; only their status within The Church? Your killing me here.....with laughter.

How do you account for the heretical acts of your church?

 

[Marymog]

Again, no one denies the existence of child sexual predator corruption in non-papal organizations...the point is that if child rape by church leaders was an Olympic event, the papacy would win Gold, Silver, and Bronze before the rest of us finished getting disqualified for not achieving the minimum event requirements.

Simply and completely utterly not true....which....once again....makes it hard to take you serious. You write a lot of words but don't back them up with facts.....

Show me reliable statistics that prove that Catholic priest abuse at a higher rate than Protestant ministers.

Mary

 

[prism]

If you knew Christian history you would not have asked me those easy peasy lemon squeezy questions......;)

CLEARLY you don't know your own Christian history otherwise you wouldn't have asked such simple, elementary questions.

You pretend you know your Christian history but with that question you clearly don't.....;)

Goading is not allowed on this Forum. I've already been banned for it.

 

[Taken]

My advice to you:

1) Study your Bible so that you can understand what it says.
2) Get some competent help for your anger issues . . .

LOL...funny.

You try reading the Bible!
Understanding the Scripture does not come from STUDY...it comes from God!

Anger?..me? No. I know you have noticed my LOL...even showed your anger at my LOL.
Seems you are unaware Laughing is not a sign of Anger. LOL

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Then YOU are at ODDS with Sacred Scripture.
Good luck with that . . .

Romans 11:22
“See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you REMAIN in his kindness; otherwise you to will be cut off.”
Paul is warning the faithful to REMAIN in God’s favor or they will lose their salvation. How can they lose what they never had?

Sill repeating your nonsense, making yourself look silly.

A five year old can comprehend a gift offered IS THEIRS TO TAKE...."IF" they do not TAKE IT, THEY LOSE OUT HAVING IT! LOL

John 3 {since YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD}...
[12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?



Brainwashing has NOT benefited you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

WRONG again, my ignorant and arrogant friend.

The people Paul is writing to are BORN AGAIN believers.
Paul refers to them as "God's holy people" (Rom. 1:7). - yet he WARNS them about falling away and being CUT OFF (Rom. 11:22).

Don't just quote the Bible.
STUDY and LEARN what it means . . .

LOL...really....ALL of Rome was Gods holy people?

And so then WHY would Paul be Hopful that there MIGHT be some among them with fruit...?

Rom 1:
[13] Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.

Obviously you are unaware...NOT ALL who heard Paul's Preaching or Letters from Paul...
Confessed their Belief...Continued following...
And Ofcourse Paul warned them of their detriment and forfeiture of their Gift of Salvation ...to STOP following and believing.

But that's probably TOO much for you to comprehend, since in your Religion, without your own confession or knowledge or belief in God or Christ...you were taught and testified on this Forum...as a BABY you received the Holy Spirit. LOL

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Philip James]

as a BABY you received the Holy Spirit.

Hello Taken,

If the children of God ask for the gift of faith and the Holy Spirit for their children... Do you think HE would not answer.
Praise the Lord! That my mother and the Church, had the Faith to procure that gift for me.....

Christ IS risen!
Alleluia!

 

[Taken]

When you ask a fellow Christian here on earth to pray for you - you are praying TO them to pray for you.
This is NO DIFFERENT than asking a saint in Heaven to pray for you.

Except for the little FACT...
One is Bodily Alive and One is Bodily DEAD.

Asking is Asking. Praying TO is Praying TO.

Scripture instructs men to PRAY TO GOD...

Saints are NOT God.
Mary is NOT God.
Mary is NOT a Queen.
Mary is NOT everyone's Mother.
The Holy Father is God, not an elected man.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Hello Taken,

If the children of God ask for the gift of faith and the Holy Spirit for their children... Do you think HE would not answer.
Praise the Lord! That my mother and the Church, had the Faith to procure that gift for me.....

Christ IS risen!
Alleluia!

Hi Philip James ~

God provides for HIS Children when THEY come to Him.

Men are (supposed) to provide for THEIR, children their needs and the knowledge of thee Lord God.

A man does not CONTROL the Spirit of God, AS IF, the man has the Authority to COMMAND the Spirit of God become Imparted into an other.

Scripture teaches No such thing. And to teach naive Children they RECEIVE the Spirit of God, without their asking, or knowledge, or belief in God...simply is NOT Scriptural.

Glory to God,
Taken