The Church Is The Israel Of God, Children Of The Promised Seed

[Moriah's Song]

there is a thousand years inbetween the two resurrection days.

Literalism is destroying the truth of God's Word when it refuses to believe that "a thousand" could not possibly ever be "symbolized" as in...

2 Peter 3:8...But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Psalms 50:10..."For every beast of the forest is mine, the cattle on a thousand hills."

Psalms 90:4...For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, or as a watch in the night.

Rev 20:2...And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, (Satan was "bound at the cross. But it has actually been twice more than...one thousand years!

Rev 20:4..."They came to life, and reigned with Christ a thousand years."​

 

[Mjh29]

Literalism is destroying the truth of God's Word when it refuses to believe that "a thousand" could not possibly ever be "symbolized" as in...

2 Peter 3:8...But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Psalms 50:10..."For every beast of the forest is mine, the cattle on a thousand hills."

Psalms 90:4...For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, or as a watch in the night.

Rev 20:2...And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, (Satan was "bound at the cross. But it has actually been twice more than...one thousand years!

Rev 20:4..."They came to life, and reigned with Christ a thousand years."​

Much truth is missed by people interpreting everything as literal.

 

[Moriah's Song]

the holy city,

That is the only useage of "holy city"

Mat 4:5...Then the devil took him to the holy city, and set him on the pinnacle of the temple,
Mat 27:53...and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

The symbolism in Revelations:

Rev 11:2...but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample over the holy city for forty-two months.
Rev 21:2...And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband;
Rev 21:10...And in the Spirit he carried me away to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God,
Rev 22:19...and if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.​

 

[Truth7t7]

People end up twisting scripture because they went to scripture to find verses that support their pre-conceived views on pre-millennialism or dispensationalism rather than taking God's Word for what it actually says. One word for it though is "indoctrination."

2 Timothy 4:3-4 - For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

2 Peter 3:16 - As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Romans 16:17-20 - Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.​

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.​

1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;​

Revelation 22:18-19 - For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:​

It appears you follow the traditional "Reformed Eschatology" Ken Gentry, Kim Riddlebarger?

Literal destruction of Jerusalem 70AD, great tribulation, Rome is seen as the Antichrist seat?

 

[ewq1938]

That is the only useage of "holy city"

Mat 4:5...Then the devil took him to the holy city, and set him on the pinnacle of the temple,
Mat 27:53...and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

The symbolism in Revelations:

Rev 11:2...but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample over the holy city for forty-two months.​

Those 3 verses speak of Earthly Jerusalem. The other are of the heavenly Jerusalem. During the Great Tribulation Earthly Jerusalem will cease to be holy but will be holy again during the thousand years.

 

[ewq1938]

People end up twisting scripture because they went to scripture to find verses that support their pre-conceived views on pre-millennialism or dispensationalism rather than taking God's Word for what it actually says. One word for it though is "indoctrination."

2 Timothy 4:3-4 - For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

2 Peter 3:16 - As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Romans 16:17-20 - Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.​

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.​

1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;​

Revelation 22:18-19 - For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:​

People end up twisting scripture because they went to scripture to find verses that support their pre-conceived views on amillennialism or preterism rather than taking God's Word for what it actually says. One word for it though is "indoctrination."

2 Timothy 4:3-4 - For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

2 Peter 3:16 - As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Romans 16:17-20 - Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.​

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. ​

1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;​

Revelation 22:18-19 - For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
​

 

[ewq1938]

Literalism is destroying the truth of God's Word when it refuses to believe that "a thousand" could not possibly ever be "symbolized"

Symbolism is destroying the truth of God's Word when it refuses to believe that "a thousand" could not possibly ever be "literal"

 

[Truth7t7]

Symbolism is destroying the truth of God's Word when it refuses to believe that "a thousand" could not possibly ever be "literal"

You Can't Prove A Literal 1,000 Year Kingdom On This Earth, Because Its Not Seen In Scripture Below "Fact"

A Millenial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Fabricated Fairy Tale Of Man

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Moriah's Song]

It appears you follow the traditional "Reformed Eschatology" Ken Gentry, Kim Riddlebarger?

Literal destruction of Jerusalem 70AD, great tribulation, Rome is seen as the Antichrist seat?

I respect both of them but it was when I first attended a church as an adult, my pastor who had an excellent perspective on scripture told me that "just about everything I needed to know could be found in Genesis 3:15 because the rest of the Bible was built on that foundation. He was a wise and helpful pastor. Then I turned on my radio to listen to others and what I heard from dispensationalists and premills baffled me because I could not connect what they were saying with scripture.

My first favorite commentator was Matthew Henry.

I don't have a lot of respect for most any commentators after the early 1900's. I do like Sam Storms (who was a dispy turned Amill, and O. Palmer Robertson.)

 

[Truth7t7]

I respect both of them but it was when I first attended a church as an adult, my pastor who had an excellent perspective on scripture told me that "just about everything I needed to know could be found in Genesis 3:15 because the rest of the Bible was built on that foundation. He was a wise and helpful pastor. Then I turned on my radio to listen to others and what I heard from dispensationalists and premills baffled me because I could not connect what they were saying with scripture.

My first favorite commentator was Matthew Henry.

I don't have a lot of respect for most any commentators after the early 1900's. I do like Sam Storms (who was a dispy turned Amill, and O. Palmer Robertson.)

Moriah just a consideration in challenging a "Literal" destruction of a temple in 70AD Jerusalem?

The four disciples Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, were all with the Lord, and at the temple in Jerusalem during the passover?

John in his account of the temple visit, gives a clear description of the temple and its destruction, at the Lords very words in explanation?

The temple destruction was to be "Symbolic", in the death, burial, resurrection of the Lord, when Jesus gave up the Holy Ghost, the veil in the temple was torn, the temple was "Symbolically Destroyed" not one stone upon another

The pharisees looked to a physical temple that took 46 years to build, but the Lord clearly states the symbolic "Temple Of His Body" his disciples remembered what the Lord said after the resurrection

Yes reformed eschatology and the pharisees looked at the physical destruction, when the Lord clearly explains and teaches its "Symbolic" destruction not literal

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

John 2:13-22KJV
13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

 

[Ziggy]

Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed, it's that simple

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
The covenant was made with Abraham.
Is Abraham a Hebrew? Is Abraham a Gentile? Is Abraham Israel? Is Abraham a Jew?
Where did God draw Abram from?
Because the promise was made to him before Sarah had Isaac, and to his children that would come AFTER.

Gen 11:31 And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.

Gen 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Gen 15:7 And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.

Neh 9:7 Thou art the LORD the God, who didst choose Abram, and broughtest him forth out of Ur of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name of Abraham;

The name of Abrams Father Terah, means wilderness or desert.
Terach, teh'-rakh; of uncertain derivation; Terach, the father of Abraham; also a place in the Desert:—Tarah, Terah.

Act 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:


Chaldees:
כַּשְׂדִּים proper name, of a people and territory Kasdim = Chaldeans, Chaldea, Χαλδαῖοι and (Jeremiah 50:10) ἡ Χαλδαία (Assyrian (mat) Kaldu, Kaldû from earlier (Babylonian) form [* Kašdu] — š before dental becoming l, DlPar 128 f.200f.; Assyrian Gr. § 51, 3; SchrKGF 94ff.; COT on Genesis 11:28) ; —

In the early period, between the early 9th century and late 7th century BC, mat Kaldi was the name of a small sporadically independent migrant-founded territory under the domination of the Neo-Assyrian Empire (911–605 BC) in southeastern Babylonia, extending to the western shores of the Persian Gulf.[7]

Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Abram was called out from Babylon.

He was a Chaldean. Assyrian.

Isa 19:23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

Eze 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.

Num 13:29 The Amalekites dwell in the land of the south: and the Hittites, and the Jebusites, and the Amorites, H567 dwell in the mountains: and the Canaanites dwell by the sea, and by the coast of Jordan.

Gen 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

Mount Ararat is a snow-capped and dormant compound volcano in the extreme east of Turkey.

So Noah after the flood began again in the mountains ot Eastern turkey. That means Abram had to travel south west to come down into babylon.
God called Abram out from Babylon and in his journey sent him to Egypt, where he told the King that Sarah was his sister.
Then God brought Abram out of Egypt across the wilderness, where God would fulfill his promise in Isaac.
The God called Abram by a new name, Abraham.

So where did Noah come from? The east of Eden where Adam and Eve had gone after being put out and sent back from where Adam was made from the dust.

So, is Adam A Jew? A Gentile? an Israelite? a Hebrew?

But God chose Noah's seed because Noah found Grace in the eyes of the Lord.
That seed moved to Abraham who was accounted righteous because he believed God.

Now Abraham has 2 children. The older Ishmael is concieved because Abram listened to his wife.
Isaac was concieved by a promise from God.

Both are Abraham's seed.

Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed, it's that simple

Yes it is

Hugs

 

[GEN2REV]

Then I turned on my radio to listen to others and what I heard from dispensationalists and premills baffled me because I could not connect what they were saying with scripture.

When I first got saved, I started studying the Bible voraciously and even wanted to study/ponder it in the car so I began listening to all the Christian radio that I could find, and watching all the TV preachers at home.

I discovered some really interesting and amazing things. Almost all of the TV and radio pastors taught the same theology and it didn't line up at all with what I was learning from the Bible. Also their weekly sermon topic was very often the same as local churches. That's a huge red flag. That means there is a central planning body that gives many churches throughout the country the sermon topic each week.

Well, that means those preachers aren't getting their message from the Lord. Only God knows what each pastor/preacher's congregation needs to hear each week. Not only that, but if an entire country's churches are getting their weekly message from some authoritative body at the top, that means all those Christians can have their opinions, and perspectives, controlled by some governing body with interests of its own.

"The righteous man soon discovers the world is united against him."
Author unknown

 

[Truth7t7]

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
The covenant was made with Abraham.
Is Abraham a Hebrew? Is Abraham a Gentile? Is Abraham Israel? Is Abraham a Jew?
Where did God draw Abram from?
Because the promise was made to him before Sarah had Isaac, and to his children that would come AFTER.

Gen 11:31 And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.

Gen 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Gen 15:7 And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.

Neh 9:7 Thou art the LORD the God, who didst choose Abram, and broughtest him forth out of Ur of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name of Abraham;

The name of Abrams Father Terah, means wilderness or desert.
Terach, teh'-rakh; of uncertain derivation; Terach, the father of Abraham; also a place in the Desert:—Tarah, Terah.

Act 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:


Chaldees:
כַּשְׂדִּים proper name, of a people and territory Kasdim = Chaldeans, Chaldea, Χαλδαῖοι and (Jeremiah 50:10) ἡ Χαλδαία (Assyrian (mat) Kaldu, Kaldû from earlier (Babylonian) form [* Kašdu] — š before dental becoming l, DlPar 128 f.200f.; Assyrian Gr. § 51, 3; SchrKGF 94ff.; COT on Genesis 11:28) ; —

In the early period, between the early 9th century and late 7th century BC, mat Kaldi was the name of a small sporadically independent migrant-founded territory under the domination of the Neo-Assyrian Empire (911–605 BC) in southeastern Babylonia, extending to the western shores of the Persian Gulf.[7]

Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Abram was called out from Babylon.

He was a Chaldean. Assyrian.

Isa 19:23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

Eze 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.

Num 13:29 The Amalekites dwell in the land of the south: and the Hittites, and the Jebusites, and the Amorites, H567 dwell in the mountains: and the Canaanites dwell by the sea, and by the coast of Jordan.

Gen 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

Mount Ararat is a snow-capped and dormant compound volcano in the extreme east of Turkey.

So Noah after the flood began again in the mountains ot Eastern turkey. That means Abram had to travel south west to come down into babylon.
God called Abram out from Babylon and in his journey sent him to Egypt, where he told the King that Sarah was his sister.
Then God brought Abram out of Egypt across the wilderness, where God would fulfill his promise in Isaac.
The God called Abram by a new name, Abraham.

So where did Noah come from? The east of Eden where Adam and Eve had gone after being put out and sent back from where Adam was made from the dust.

So, is Adam A Jew? A Gentile? an Israelite? a Hebrew?

But God chose Noah's seed because Noah found Grace in the eyes of the Lord.
That seed moved to Abraham who was accounted righteous because he believed God.

Now Abraham has 2 children. The older Ishmael is concieved because Abram listened to his wife.
Isaac was concieved by a promise from God.

Both are Abraham's seed.

Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.



Yes it is

Hugs

The promised seed of Abraham was "Jesus Christ" seed "Singular"

That seed isn't Arabs or Jews in the world today, but Jesus Christ alone, through faith in Jesus Christ, one can become children of the promises made to Abraham

Galatians 3:16KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

 

[ewq1938]

You Can't Prove A Literal 1,000 Year Kingdom On This Earth

Sure I can:

The Millennium: An Earthly rule by Christ and his saints

The thousand years is the rule with a rod of iron over the nations. It is not the length of a kingdom. The kingdom is eternal. Physically it is only in heaven at this time. It is here spiritually inside of believers now. It will be a physical reality after the second coming is completed.

Christ will exercise his Kingly authority on Earth when the 7th trump sounds:

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

The rod of iron reign only begins after Christ has come:

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

The saint's reign will be on the Earth not from heaven:

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the EARTH.

Second coming:

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

The verb RULE here is in the future tense so it happens after the events of Armageddon are completed.

After the second coming:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


All these prove a literal kingdom with Christ and his saints physically here on the Earth literally ruling over human beings of various nations.

 

[Truth7t7]

Christ will exercise his Kingly authority on Earth when the 7th trump sounds:

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

The rod of iron reign only begins after Christ has come:

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

The saint's reign will be on the Earth not from heaven:

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the EARTH.

Second coming:

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

The verb RULE here is in the future tense so it happens after the events of Armageddon are completed.

After the second coming:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


All these prove a literal kingdom with Christ and his saints physically here on the Earth literally ruling over human beings of various nations.

Jesus Christ Dissolves This Earth By Fire When The 7Th Trump Sounds

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus Christ Dissolves This Earth By Fire When The 7Th Trump Sounds

No, he doesn't. That happens in Revelation 21, after the Great White Throne Judgement (GWTJ) is over.

 

[Ziggy]

Christ would only come through Abraham's lineage.

There is an interesting dialogue in John chapter 8.
The promise made to Abraham is Christ and those who have his seed in them.
The seed is the word of God. The word of God is the promise.

Jhn 8:14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself (the Word of promise), yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.

(Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. )

Jhn 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
Jhn 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

Jhn 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Jhn 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Jhn 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Jhn 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Jhn 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Jhn 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Jhn 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
Jhn 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
Jhn 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Jhn 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Jhn 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Jhn 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

The seed given to Abraham to bring forth is the Word of God and to all those that believe.

So whether you be Jew or Gentile from infinity to infinity....
If God's word is in you, then you are His.

Eze 34:6 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.

Eze 34:11 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.

Jhn 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Jhn 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Jhn 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Jhn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Then there is the seed of David.

2Sa 7:8 Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, from following the sheep, to be ruler over my people, over Israel:
2Sa 7:9 And I was with thee whithersoever thou wentest, and have cut off all thine enemies out of thy sight, and have made thee a great name, like unto the name of the great men that are in the earth.
2Sa 7:10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,
2Sa 7:11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house.
2Sa 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
2Sa 7:13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
2Sa 7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
2Sa 7:15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
2Sa 7:16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.

Jhn 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Jhn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Jhn 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

There is only one way to the Father. That is through his Word by faith in his promise.

David was begotten by Jesse begotten by Boaz through the law. Because he was Naomi's kinsman. After the flesh.
But Ruth was a moabite who followed Naomi by Faith.

There is neither male nor female..

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

2Ti 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
2Ti 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
2Ti 2:9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.
2Ti 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

There is a lot of changing of hands throughout history. Who is ruling over whom, who rises and who falls.
But it always comes back to faith and believing the word of God.
In the end it makes no difference if you were born here or there.
What matters is that you have the word of God in you and you follow after faith and truth.

Just ramblin..
hugs

 

[Truth7t7]

Christ would only come through Abraham's lineage.

There is an interesting dialogue in John chapter 8.
The promise made to Abraham is Christ and those who have his seed in them.
The seed is the word of God. The word of God is the promise.

Jhn 8:14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself (the Word of promise), yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.

(Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. )

Jhn 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
Jhn 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

Jhn 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Jhn 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Jhn 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Jhn 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Jhn 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Jhn 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Jhn 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
Jhn 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
Jhn 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Jhn 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Jhn 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Jhn 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

The seed given to Abraham to bring forth is the Word of God and to all those that believe.

So whether you be Jew or Gentile from infinity to infinity....
If God's word is in you, then you are His.

Eze 34:6 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.

Eze 34:11 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.

Jhn 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Jhn 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Jhn 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Jhn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Then there is the seed of David.

2Sa 7:8 Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, from following the sheep, to be ruler over my people, over Israel:
2Sa 7:9 And I was with thee whithersoever thou wentest, and have cut off all thine enemies out of thy sight, and have made thee a great name, like unto the name of the great men that are in the earth.
2Sa 7:10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,
2Sa 7:11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house.
2Sa 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
2Sa 7:13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
2Sa 7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
2Sa 7:15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
2Sa 7:16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.

Jhn 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Jhn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Jhn 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

There is only one way to the Father. That is through his Word by faith in his promise.

David was begotten by Jesse begotten by Boaz through the law. Because he was Naomi's kinsman. After the flesh.
But Ruth was a moabite who followed Naomi by Faith.

There is neither male nor female..

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

2Ti 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
2Ti 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
2Ti 2:9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.
2Ti 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

There is a lot of changing of hands throughout history. Who is ruling over whom, who rises and who falls.
But it always comes back to faith and believing the word of God.
In the end it makes no difference if you were born here or there.
What matters is that you have the word of God in you and you follow after faith and truth.

Just ramblin..
hugs

In the end it matters if you had faith in the finished work on Calvary, the only way ones name is written in the Lambs book of life

There is one gate into the sheepfold, that is faith in Jesus Christ, all the rest are gonna burn

 

[Ziggy]

In the end it matters if you had faith in the finished work on Calvary, the only way ones name is written in the Lambs book of life

There is one gate into the sheepfold, that is faith in Jesus Christ, all the rest are gonna burn

Absolutely!
We all get a little salted

Hugs

 

[Moriah's Song]

Also their weekly sermon topic was very often the same as local churches. That's a huge red flag. That means there is a central planning body that gives many churches throughout the country the sermon topic each week.

I agree for the most part about the "same planned sermon topic each week." I know it exists and have seen it but I would not put all pastors in the same box though. What I do disagree on in our church is the 'Lifeway Bible Studies for Life" Sunday School books that are used as a must do thing. I have also observed that our pastor seemed to have based his sermon on that weeks lesson. Go figure! LOL.

I will also add that I have been to a couple "home Bible study groups" where things not in scripture were prevalent. There are so many different "beliefs" in the body of Christ that one really needs to be absorbed in scripture and seeking the guidance of the Holy Spirit to maintain the truths in God's Holy Word.