The Case For The Triune GodHead!

[Johann]

Amen!
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Absolutely correct @GRACE ambassador!

J.

 

[Scott Downey]

I am not a Trinitarian, but I do believe in the HS, Jesus and the Father. I just don't see a reason to separate them. The Trinity theory says they are all the same, but distinct and separate "persons". But not really because the are the same (but different). But just because they are different persons doesn't mean they aren't the same, because they are the same while also not being the same... Because they are different (but still the same, but not really).

Get my drift? Did you follow all that? Me neither! Thats why I am not a Trinitarian.

Christ had a will of His own, that implies distinct persons.
Great is the mystery of Godliness, God manifested in the flesh .
It's ok for it to be a mystery, scripture call it that.
Man is not going to fully understand God, and neither will angels.

John 5:30
I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

John 6:38
For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

 

[face2face]

Christ had a will of His own, that implies distinct persons.
Great is the mystery of Godliness, God manifested in the flesh .
It's ok for it to be a mystery, scripture call it that.
Man is not going to fully understand God, and neither will angels.

John 5:30
I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

John 6:38
For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

If the OT presents God as a single person (which you must acknowledge is how the Jews interpreted the OT), and if Jesus revealed himself as a distinct person of God in the NT (as you would claim), then there is no logical basis for asserting that “Jesus’ revelation did not contradict the revelation of God in the Jewish scriptures.” A contradiction inevitably arises.

If the contradiction is a human creation, it would lead you to rely on the "mystery" explanation that many people adopt. However, what if there is no contradiction? What if God's identity is knowable, and perhaps you've underestimated what is truly revealed?

@FHII can you see the dangers in Scott conclusion?

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[face2face]

Absolutely correct @GRACE ambassador!

J.

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8:31 What then shall we say about these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 8:32 Indeed, he who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, freely give us all things? Ro 8:31–32.

Let's consider what God will give the Saints in Christ return:

1. Make the Saints Kings & Priests
2. Eternal Life
3. Reign with Christ
4. Eternal Inheritence
5. Power & Authority as Christ on Earth
6. His Glory
7. Crown of Righteousness

And this is the Saints of the Most High God.

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