The Bible Is Not Written To You (or is it?)

[MatthewG]

Hello to anyone whom many come by.

It taken me years to understand a lot of context and content within the bible itself and I believe that the bible was written for us (one of the greatest material(s) collected and written by men and placed together for us by Yahavah/God. I do not believe that the bible was written directly to us, now this may be taken really harshly to the bible believing community whom goes to church and perhaps were not taught like I was (which is okay.) However, just take a moment, and think that the Old Testament dealt with Israel. Then Yeshua showed up to only go to the house of Israel. While gentiles, became into the mix even some being the bride of Christ in that day when (I believe Jesus returned) the apostles encouraged the return of the Lord Yeshua, to the people of that time and in the context of it. How could a letter to Rome written to the "saints who lived in rome" apply to us? How could you make it apply to us, in all of its context? How does one get that authority to say the bible was written to us, when there are specific people being addressed in that time and day; except by saying perhaps things like "history repeats itself," "or dual prophecy," or something else in like manner?

Was the bible written to us directly? In my opinion - no, it was not.
Was the bible written for us to spiritual guidance? In my opinion - yes, it was and is for us to learn from.

Jesus in his day, told the jews to repent for their wrong doing, otherwise, they were going to be destroyed by the wrath of God. How could those things apply to us today?

Discuss?

(Again while many people do not like this form of discussion they are helpful and needful to be done so; against the traditions which continue to be passed onward in this world today.)

I find the bible to be vital to our spiritual nutrition when it is read and read in context, in conjunction with the holy spirit, it also helps us build up our faith in the Father, and the Son of God.

 

[Bob Estey]

Hello to anyone whom many come by.

It taken me years to understand a lot of context and content within the bible itself and I believe that the bible was written for us (one of the greatest material(s) collected and written by men and placed together for us by Yahavah/God. I do not believe that the bible was written directly to us, now this may be taken really harshly to the bible believing community whom goes to church and perhaps were not taught like I was (which is okay.) However, just take a moment, and think that the Old Testament dealt with Israel. Then Yeshua showed up to only go to the house of Israel. While gentiles, became into the mix even some being the bride of Christ in that day when (I believe Jesus returned) the apostles encouraged the return of the Lord Yeshua, to the people of that time and in the context of it. How could a letter to Rome written to the "saints who lived in rome" apply to us? How could you make it apply to us, in all of its context? How does one get that authority to say the bible was written to us, when there are specific people being addressed in that time and day; except by saying perhaps things like "history repeats itself," "or dual prophecy," or something else in like manner?

Was the bible written to us directly? In my opinion - no, it was not.
Was the bible written for us to spiritual guidance? In my opinion - yes, it was and is for us to learn from.

Jesus in his day, told the jews to repent for their wrong doing, otherwise, they were going to be destroyed by the wrath of God. How could those things apply to us today?

Discuss?

(Again while many people do not like this form of discussion they are helpful and needful to be done so; against the traditions which continue to be passed onward in this world today.)

I find the bible to be vital to our spiritual nutrition when it is read and read in context, in conjunction with the holy spirit, it also helps us build up our faith in the Father, and the Son of God.

The Bible is written to each of us.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Bob Estey,

How do you reconcile scripture that relate to Israel or to certain people groups like people at Rome or at Corinth, or perhaps even those 7 churches in Asia Minor whom were told the Lord was coming soon? If it was written “to” each of us?

 

[MA2444]

Hello @Bob Estey,

How do you reconcile scripture that relate to Israel or to certain people groups like people at Rome or at Corinth, or perhaps even those 7 churches in Asia Minor whom were told the Lord was coming soon? If it was written “to” each of us?

You're being short sighted.

 

[Bob Estey]

Hello @Bob Estey,

How do you reconcile scripture that relate to Israel or to certain people groups like people at Rome or at Corinth, or perhaps even those 7 churches in Asia Minor whom were told the Lord was coming soon? If it was written “to” each of us?

If God had nothing to do with the Bible, then one might take the position that the Bible wasn't written for each of us. On the other hand, if the Lord took part in the writing of the Bible, then wouldn't one assume it was for all of us?

 

[Wick Stick]

The Bible is written to each of us.

But only the New Testament, right?

Nobody ever seems to want the Old Testament.

 

[Bob Estey]

But only the New Testament, right?

Nobody ever seems to want the Old Testament.

Jesus says scripture (he must have been referring to the Old Testament, as the New Testament didn't yet exist) can't be broken (John 10:35).

If, in the Old Testament, God says something is an abomination (such as in Leviticus 18:22), wouldn't it still be an abomination ?

When asked how to have eternal life, Jesus said, "You know the commandments," and he listed several of the Ten Commandments from the Old Testament (Luke 18:20, Mark 10:19).

I wouldn't dismiss the Old Testament.

 

[MA2444]

But only the New Testament, right?

Nobody ever seems to want the Old Testament.

That's how they think, huh? Oh that's them old timers and don't apply to us because we're New Covenant! Nevermind that our God is the God that tells the end from the beginning. Nevermind that if you dont understand the OT then it will almost impossible to understand a lot of the NT. Nevermind that the OT is more than twice as big as the NT, prolly hasnt got much to say anyway, lol!

Hey that's not fair bringing that stuff up!

We see as through a glass darkly anyway so now I do understand why some are called blind though they see, deaf yet they hear.

 

[Bob Estey]

But only the New Testament, right?

Nobody ever seems to want the Old Testament.

Jesus also said, "Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them." (Matthew 5:17). I assume he is talking about the Old Testament.

 

[Wick Stick]

Jesus says scripture (he must have been referring to the Old Testament, as the New Testament didn't yet exist) can't be broken (John 10:35).

If, in the Old Testament, God says something is an abomination (such as in Leviticus 18:22), wouldn't it still be an abomination ?

When asked how to have eternal life, Jesus said, "You know the commandments," and he listed several of the Ten Commandments from the Old Testament (Luke 18:20, Mark 10:19).

I wouldn't dismiss the Old Testament.

I haven't dismissed it. But I do see a problem.

If you want to retain Leviticus 18, don't you also have to retain Leviticus 1-7? If not, why not?

 

[Lambano]

 

[Lambano]

This old NIV Bible with the duct tape holding the binding together, it has someone else's name embossed in gold on the cover. So, I guess it wasn't written to me.

 

[Wick Stick]

This old NIV Bible with the duct tape holding the binding together, it has someone else's name embossed in gold on the cover. So, I guess it wasn't written to me.

I'm sure Ms. Lucille McGillicuddy would have wanted you to have it.

 

[Bob Estey]

I haven't dismissed it. But I do see a problem.

If you want to retain Leviticus 18, don't you also have to retain Leviticus 1-7? If not, why not?

You have to retain everything.

 

[Behold]

Was the bible written to us directly? In my opinion - no, it was not.

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Paul teaches..​

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2 Timothy 3:16-17​

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16 : All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:​

17: That the man/woman of God may be.... PERFECT,..... thoroughly furnished unto all good works.​

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So, how do we find the "doctrine", for the "church".​

= Paul.​

And He says to do this.....>>>>"study", and "rightly divide".​

What happens if you "wrongly divided" the word?.....​

What happens, in other words, if you can't learn what part is for whom, and when ?​

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Then you get 45,000 denominations, worldwide.​

You get Calvinism​

You get Catholicism​

You get Mormonism​

You get Preterism​

You get a lot of "ISMs"​

You get JW's.​

You get confused, you get deceived.​

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How to stop that confusion, deception?​

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Learn Paul's Theology., and never accept anything else, and if your "teacher" or "commentary" or "online site", does not tell you what i just told you, then get rid of it.​

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[MatthewG]

Hello @Bob Estey,

How ever you feel about it. I just was curious how you reconcile those things mentioned. How people take the Bible is up to them. I do believe it was written for the benefit of the building up of spiritual faith; though some of the things within it do not apply directly to us.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Behold,

That was an encouraging message to Timothy concerning the Old Testament. I don’t believe they had the gospel to pass around just quite yet when that was written. Many people quote that all the time but with some contextual understanding; it applies directly to Timothy and how Paul encouraged and reminded him, of the the scripture of their time which was mainly the Old Testament. I’m not sure when the Gospels may have been completed all I know is they went and preached and maybe during this time the canon we have now was still in the process of being written.

Speculation? Incorrect thinking? Only people can decide for themselves, sir.

 

[Wick Stick]

You have to retain everything.

You say so, but I bet you haven't been making the required trespass sacrifices.

Or... what if I like a little fat on the edges of my ribeye?
Lev 3:17 It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood.

 

[Behold]

Hello @Behold,

That was an encouraging message to Timothy concerning the Old Testament. I don’t believe they had the gospel to pass around just quite yet when that was written

Hey @MatthewG

Paul's Gospel was already up and running before He met Timothy, and before he wrote those 2 Epistles.
In fact He told Timothy to be careful of the "" Doctrine""".......and that would have been Paul's.
2nd Timothy is Paul's final letter to the Church. before Paul was martyr'd for His Faith. (Beheaded).

Timothy was one of Paul's converts.. (a gentile). .He knew this young man's family.. they were a family of believers..
Timothy and Titus were "called" under Paul's preaching....... and they became very important to Paul's ministry, as was DEMAS, but He left Paul and went back "into the world".......tho, still born again........He was just one of those people who just didnt hang in there.
The NT does not tell us if Demas came back later on, or whaevever happened to Him.. after He left Paul's ministry.
What we know is that God never left Demas as Jesus will never forsake us.. or leave us.

MatthewG....Some things are obvious that are not taught very much...
For example.. lets say a Christian wanted to learn some bible.....
Well, read 1-2 Timothy and Titus, as that is about as direct as its going to get, from Paul.
= Good place to start, along with Romans and Colossians and Ephesians

Sometimes i have to smile when i hear people tell young believers.......>>"well, you should read JOHN">... the Gospel.

And that is not the answer.
The answer is...>>>> You are now born again and God needs you to learn a lot, and not take a long time to do it.
So, you go to PAUL......He is your teacher, He wrote the doctrine for the Church.... so dont waste time in Matt or Hebrews or James..or The Revelation.
If the young believer wants to know as much as possible in a month, then find a Pauline Theology Teacher, and "problem solved".
So, Get those other epistles... later, after you have "worked out your salvation" by understanding Paul's basic Doctrine, or you'll be 40 yrs older and still not really understand the NT, and by then, a cult will own your mind by then..........Hebrews 13:9

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Behold,

It’s all debate my friend. Right or wrong, the scripture mentioned to Timothy was in direct correlation to the Old Testament, as he had been a young student of that Old Testament narrative. It was a reminder to him of what Jesus had mentioned in one of the Gospels of which the Old Testament had spoken about himself.

I’m not here to debate you; I just write what I will; and if it’s taken for people to think about these things and decide for themselves, so be it and may the seek for God in spirit and in truth.